I would try to implement more movement during training sessions, more interchanging between attackers, focus on pass and move, more dummy runs. Also the players need to play with more intensity during transitions to attack and defense, they don't have to run like headless chickens all the time but when you gain or lose possession you need to crank up the pace. And have fun, it's not a chore.
You're in charge against West Ham, what do you do tactically?
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I would set us up like this :
---------------DDG--------------
-----Victor--Smalling--Rojo----
Young----------------------Shaw
-------------Matic----------------
------Fred-----------Pogba------
---------Alexis--Martial----------
Young and Shaw pushing forwards on the flanks to widen West Hams defence. Goal is to get Pogba or Fred faced the right way with the ball on their feet, between West hams midfield and defence.
Fast transitions is key.
In defence Fred drops down to shield the backline along with Matic. Alexis high energy press on the ballholder with Pogba and Martial helping out wide.
---------------DDG--------------
-----Victor--Smalling--Rojo----
Young----------------------Shaw
-------------Matic----------------
------Fred-----------Pogba------
---------Alexis--Martial----------
Young and Shaw pushing forwards on the flanks to widen West Hams defence. Goal is to get Pogba or Fred faced the right way with the ball on their feet, between West hams midfield and defence.
Fast transitions is key.
In defence Fred drops down to shield the backline along with Matic. Alexis high energy press on the ballholder with Pogba and Martial helping out wide.
Normal 4-3-3 formation
Defence
Back 4 - 2 CBs to essentially keep arnautavic quiet. 2 WB/FB to push forward and provide width and overlapping runs to our wide forwards.
Midfield
Matic holding
Pogba and Fred pushing forward
Forwards
Martial-Rom-Jesse in a fluid rotating front 3
Or
Mata playing a central playmaking 10 with Rom and Rashford playing as strikers told to run in behind the WH defence.
- - -
Just as an aside as I’ve only 3 posts, who is our backup striker to Rom??
Defence
Back 4 - 2 CBs to essentially keep arnautavic quiet. 2 WB/FB to push forward and provide width and overlapping runs to our wide forwards.
Midfield
Matic holding
Pogba and Fred pushing forward
Forwards
Martial-Rom-Jesse in a fluid rotating front 3
Or
Mata playing a central playmaking 10 with Rom and Rashford playing as strikers told to run in behind the WH defence.
- - -
Just as an aside as I’ve only 3 posts, who is our backup striker to Rom??
DDG
Dalot Smalling Bailly Shaw
Rashford Pogba Pereira Martial
Sanchez
Lukaku
Back to 4-4-2. Our best attacking players to play. Out goes Valencia. Don’t mind Fred in there with Pogba either. Sanchez playing no.10/second striker Centrally on the pitch. Let’s see goals.Dalot Smalling Bailly Shaw
Rashford Pogba Pereira Martial
Sanchez
Lukaku
We play our best team for start. Same approach as Watford, I'm not sure about Fellaini, but I feel we might need him to play those dirty cnuts, at the expense of Fred that is. Keep away Lingard and Lindelof please. Rashford should get minutes and if he delivers and Lukaku fails to improve on last games, he should take his place for the next game.
Valencia-Smalling-Bailly-Shaw
De Gea
Fellaini Matic Pogba
Sanchez Lukaku Martial
Sanchez Lukaku Martial
1. Training
Not much you can do with just a few training days. I would insist in possession under pressure exercises, using just half of the pitch so players can adapt having to overcome the "tight space and no loose man" factor, which seems to be the main problem our team has at the moment.
2. Tactically
Would switch to a narrow 4x1x3x2, since we don't have players who are good enough to cause an impact from the wings, and would use Dalot and Shaw as fullbacks so they can provide width. I would risk on Mata playing in the middle, maybe he could provide us some creativity we're lacking and the fact that he's not playing wide at this system, maybe would make him sparkle a bit.
I want a team that would make high pressure, since Smalling and Lindelof can cope with pace (not so much with powere, though)
This system would not be foolproof, since in case of injury / fatigue the substitutes are not bright:
Not much you can do with just a few training days. I would insist in possession under pressure exercises, using just half of the pitch so players can adapt having to overcome the "tight space and no loose man" factor, which seems to be the main problem our team has at the moment.
2. Tactically
Would switch to a narrow 4x1x3x2, since we don't have players who are good enough to cause an impact from the wings, and would use Dalot and Shaw as fullbacks so they can provide width. I would risk on Mata playing in the middle, maybe he could provide us some creativity we're lacking and the fact that he's not playing wide at this system, maybe would make him sparkle a bit.
I want a team that would make high pressure, since Smalling and Lindelof can cope with pace (not so much with powere, though)
This system would not be foolproof, since in case of injury / fatigue the substitutes are not bright:
Look to play 3 at a back with attacking wingbacks and a DM. That should sort out some of the defensive frailties that United have exhibited so far. win the midfield battle and let Pogba have a free role up.
Play Sanchez/Mata/Martial as a free second striker role who've got the ability to roam around. Lukaku/Rashford as the Target Man.
It's not that difficult to set the team up to play. The problem with Jose is that he just goes "hoop the ball to Fellaini/Lukaku" when things don't go his way.
Play Sanchez/Mata/Martial as a free second striker role who've got the ability to roam around. Lukaku/Rashford as the Target Man.
It's not that difficult to set the team up to play. The problem with Jose is that he just goes "hoop the ball to Fellaini/Lukaku" when things don't go his way.
Play with 5 strikers, 2 in the middle, 3 at the back.
-----------Sanchez(LWF)----Martial(CF)----Rashford(CF)-----Lukaku(RWF)----------
---------------------------------------Lingard(SS)----------------------------------------
----------------------------Pogba(CM)---------Matic(CM)--------------------------------
------------------------------Jones------Smalling----Baily-------------------------------
---------------------------------------De Gea---------------------------------------------
-----------Sanchez(LWF)----Martial(CF)----Rashford(CF)-----Lukaku(RWF)----------
---------------------------------------Lingard(SS)----------------------------------------
----------------------------Pogba(CM)---------Matic(CM)--------------------------------
------------------------------Jones------Smalling----Baily-------------------------------
---------------------------------------De Gea---------------------------------------------
I'd actually like to see Lukaku on the right and Sanchez down the middle with Martial on the left. I think Martial and shaw have a decent understanding and I really want to see Lukaku out on the right. I think he'd surprise a lot of people there. His pace would be lethal and his crossing is actually pretty good. Not only that but if we did hoof it long up to him there aren't many left backs that could contest with him in the air. I remember watchimg him for Everton where he'd start over on the right wing and absolutely destroy the back line on the counter because he has space to run into.
go at them from the start... don't let them settle and don't play at zero speed. given time they have shown they grow into a game and get something out of it.
I'd pay Pogba £50 and make him the manager for the day. Apparently he knows exactly what to do.
Can you imagine the most match conference "I'm only the manager", or "I'm only the player-manager, 1 man in a team of 11", or "You get what you pay for, I'm paid £50 to manage this team".
Can you imagine the most match conference "I'm only the manager", or "I'm only the player-manager, 1 man in a team of 11", or "You get what you pay for, I'm paid £50 to manage this team".
I posted this in the newbie thread:
If you go back and look our our players' positions against Chelsea at home, you'll see that Pogba, Alexis, Martial and Lukaku formed a sort of square up front, with Matic and McTominay behind, and the FBs providing the width. Like City from said era, I think we should've tried to build off that formation, with Matic venturing further forwards and Herrera sitting instead of both of them staying deep.
This was just in general; not really specifically about the game against West Ham.
If you go back and look our our players' positions against Chelsea at home, you'll see that Pogba, Alexis, Martial and Lukaku formed a sort of square up front, with Matic and McTominay behind, and the FBs providing the width. Like City from said era, I think we should've tried to build off that formation, with Matic venturing further forwards and Herrera sitting instead of both of them staying deep.
I think this could work.
Sanchez in a withdrawn/false 9 central role with Martial coming in from the left and Lukaku from the right.
Dangerous.
Stick Lukaku on the bench. Replace with Rashford. In with Martial from start. Fred from start. Intensive football! Pogba our main man dictating play. In with Bailly!
I'm noticing that just about everyone is putting a right footer on the left and a left footer on the right in attack. What's wrong with having it the other way around? We are too narrow because players are wanting to come inside so much. For me, a wingers first thought should be to set up a goal. When we are set up with a lefty on the right and a righty on the left, they are thinking to score first, so they come inside to try and get on their stronger foot. When they do that, if they get tackled the ball is going back up field and can launch a counter attack for the other team. If our players are first thinking about going wide and onto their good foot, if they get tackled the ball either goes out for a throw or a corner in most situations. It also spreads out our opponents defense if we are wider, and opens up the middle for a cross or cut back pass once at the byline. This is how we used to play. Giggs wide left and Beckham wide right. I hate that teams rarely play like this anymore. Everyone wants to score and the end result is less scoring...
DDG
Bailly Lindelof Smalling
Fred
Dalot Lingard Pogba Shaw
Rashford Martial
Bailly Lindelof Smalling
Fred
Dalot Lingard Pogba Shaw
Rashford Martial
I would forget reputations and the first names on the sheet would be players who give their all. Effort before anything else
It doesn’t matter. We are an uncoached football team that won’t play desirable attacking football until we bring in a manager that is noted for his ability to coach exactly that. See Guardiola. See Klopp. At this rate I’d even take Van Gaal. At least we’d keep hold of the ball, control the tempo of the game, but this time with better players.
Lock Phil Jones in the boot of my car and tell the lads to Attack! Attack! Attack!
Shee?t in Lukaku's boot?
I would quit. Please
Park the bus. Let them have the ball and hope for a defensive mistake by West Ham or a Fellaini header in extra time to win it. The Mourinho way, we all know this is how we will play.
I'd try find 11 players that you could trust to give everything. Probably something like...
De Gea
Bailey Smalling Lindelof
Dalot Andreas Fred Shaw
Fellaini
Lukaku Martial
De Gea
Bailey Smalling Lindelof
Dalot Andreas Fred Shaw
Fellaini
Lukaku Martial
Log onto the Caf and ask the experts. Who needs tactics when there’s so many who know better and can do better than most managers...
————De Gea
Dalot Bailly Lindelöf Shaw
—————Matic
———Fellaini Pogba
—————Mata
———Lukaku Rashford
No wingers because we have none.
I truly believe no Young, no Smalling and no Jones is the answer to all of our problems.
Dalot Bailly Lindelöf Shaw
—————Matic
———Fellaini Pogba
—————Mata
———Lukaku Rashford
No wingers because we have none.
I truly believe no Young, no Smalling and no Jones is the answer to all of our problems.
If i am allowed to manage just this one game then I ask my brother to place a million pounds bet on UTD to Lose (as I can't do that as a manager) and I start
Alexis / Lingard / Rashford / Fellaini / Herrera / Mata / Jones / Darmian / young/Rojo --something like this
Too many AVG or out of form payers
Alexis / Lingard / Rashford / Fellaini / Herrera / Mata / Jones / Darmian / young/Rojo --something like this
Too many AVG or out of form payers
Lingard and Lukaku should not start. That's basic management
Smalling is our best defender. And it's not even close.
Bailly and Lindelof worked pretty well against Brighton didn't they ?
Martial Lukaku Rashford/Sanchez
Pogba Pereira/Fred
Matic
Shaw Bailly Smalling Dalot
De Gea
That's how I'd have it week in week out, that front 3 interchanging positions. Lukaku drifting out to the right wing when we're defending and looking for the counter, more central when we're in possession. I'm done with our right wing being pointless, Valencia and Lingard/Mata occupying the right side should never happen again, but it seems to happen every weekend.Pogba Pereira/Fred
Matic
Shaw Bailly Smalling Dalot
De Gea
I would bribe the ref
Pass.
It's too late to make a huge change for the West Ham game but it can be the start of something. I would play 3 at the back and go with Sanchez and Martial upfront and stick with the system for a few games, and let the players develop an understanding and some cohesion.
But knowing Mourinho, none of that will happen. He will go back to doing what he knows best, which has served him well in the past.
But knowing Mourinho, none of that will happen. He will go back to doing what he knows best, which has served him well in the past.