Rolaholic
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Do we just base performances on stats now?
Cos the stats he has for this game surprised me - you'd read them and think he had a very good performance. He didnt
He was half decent, 5-6/10 perhaps. Nowhere near as influential as the stats read. Got caught in possession multiple times in dangerous areas too.
He's been a quality player for years no doubt about that and he will have a use here. But the praise for him is wild - underwhelming start here. Id start Santos alongside Mainoo moving forward and use Tielemans as an impact sub
Agreed. It’s not ideal to have both youngsters in midfield, but it is what it is. Until Baleba is fit, and hope that he’s back in form, Tielemans doesn’t really have a good partner to play with.Been very dissapointed so far.
For the Type of player he is and his lack of defensive ability he atleast needs to be a complete tempo setter and a clean passer.
His passing so far has been more about quantity and quality. The passes are not quite accurate, doesn't have the right speed- he just kinds of gets it done.
I'm not surprised that's ever since he came in to our first 11 we seem we lack defensive and even offensive exposure. He looses the ball quite alot and struggles to get out of tight spaces.
It's more bad management by Carrick than Tielemans -
But Tielemans & Mainoo can't be in the same team & if I had to pick one then it would be Mainoo. For all the experience Tielemans must have, we are probably try to build the midfield around him & considering 2 out of 3 midfielders are the same as last season, Tielemans is an obvious step below Casemiro. It's not like Tielemans passing has been Jaw dropping either to make up for the difference.
Tielemans should only play with Baleba due to his lack of physicality and mobility. Our strongest defensive mid vs our weakest midfielder.
Mainoo should be playing matches with Santos who can sit back and provide passes to Mainoo from Deep to progress the ball. 2 of our medium strength midfielders together.
I want to see him dropped but I know its not going to happen until its a cup game.
You compare the composure that Mainoo gives to the team in comparison to Tielemans who is supposed to be this amazing passer - I just haven't seen it yet.
It's no coincidence that ever since he started his first game we haven't able to be consistent in a match.
Had a good game today, neat and tidy on the ball.
Agree with this take.I like that he was a prodigy kid back then and how he looks like a friendly version of Nas. But he has to do a lot more.. all the things he's done so far, Tom Cleverly could have done it save from imitating Bruno's penalty down to the milliseconds.
Still believe he'll come good after some time to adapt.
He seems to play the ball forward much more than the meme was with Cleverley, though maybe one can do statistical comparison when there is a bigger sample. Several times he and Mainoo combined to free up Cunha or Fernandez against Everton only for them to bungle up the attack. I agree though that he can contribute more to attack if he is playing as a relatively advanced midfielder with less defensive duties.He's done an absolutely spot-on Tom Cleverley impression with us so far.
I like that he was a prodigy kid back then and how he looks like a friendly version of Nas. But he has to do a lot more.. all the things he's done so far, Tom Cleverly could have done it save from imitating Bruno's penalty down to the milliseconds.
Still believe he'll come good after some time to adapt.
That's exactly what I was thinking during the game. His technique looks good, he makes all the obvious and easy passess to keep the ball rolling, but this all seems very "basic". Cleverley used to have 95% passing accuracy because of how he played in a similar way to this Youri performance. Tielemans tried a few more difficult passes and the result was 50/50.He's done an absolutely spot-on Tom Cleverley impression with us so far.
I don't think he was good against either Ipswich or Hull, but his talent shone through yesterday, but since we drew, our fans will just treat it like a bad performance.Comparing what he’s doing to Cleverley?
If we had Vitinha some of you would be saying the same thing. We’ve become so used to our midfielders being rocket launchers that some of you don’t appreciate controlled possession before going in for the kill.
Him and Mainoo did their jobs extremely well in possession. It’s not their fault that they get it to the attackers in good positions only for them to lose it or make a shite pass.
He has been ok, the only worry is he seems like someone they will target to close down and he's been caught on the ball a couple of times. As a team we need to give him some quicker options and he will have to adapt to that. Again, getting balance in the team will help, having someone like Baleba next to him should mitigate some of the risk.I actually think he has been ok. Obviously he can do better but i'm not worried about him.
Not a good example. Eriksen was not a natural CM and played the position like someone who was still getting to grips with it.He’s our new Eriksen. Nice on the ball, will have some great games but also a snail and not really ideal for first choice.
Cleverley before his injury was an exceptional player. We seem to want to revise our ex-players downwards as if they were all a bunch of cart horses miraculously turned into stallions through Ferguson’s strength of will alone. Park, Fletcher, Cleverley, Evra, Valencia, in just the past week here have all been called out into the carpet.Comparing what he’s doing to Cleverley?
If we had Vitinha some of you would be saying the same thing. We’ve become so used to our midfielders being rocket launchers that some of you don’t appreciate controlled possession before going in for the kill.
Him and Mainoo did their jobs extremely well in possession. It’s not their fault that they get it to the attackers in good positions only for them to lose it or make a shite pass.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.This place is genuinely infuriating at times
Cleverley was good for about 6 games at the start of 11/12, after that he was bang average then he became downright pointless once Fergie left.Cleverley before his injury was an exceptional player. We seem to want to revise our ex-players downwards as if they were all a bunch of cart horses miraculously turned into stallions through Ferguson’s strength of will alone. Park, Fletcher, Cleverley, Evra, Valencia, in just the past week here have all been called out into the carpet.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Tell me you never saw Cleverley play without telling me you never saw Cleverley play... Differences of opinions and all that but sometimes it's just too much.Cleverley was good for about 6 games at the start of 11/12, after that he was bang average then he became downright pointless once Fergie left.
You putting Cleverley in a list with those players is laughable. Those were good/great players that we could use today, Cleverley would be behind Mount in the rotation for CMs.