Zombie football, the redux.

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Brilliant article from Barney Ronay

Manchester United play zombie-ball with Solskjær a baffled spectator | Manchester United | The Guardian
With 56 minutes gone, as Manchester City’s players pinged and tickled the ball around, 2-0 up and basically doing a yoga workout, a team conga in the Manchester United half, Jadon Sancho went to press Kyle Walker, looked behind and saw Luke Shaw 40 yards away watching with an expression of vague interest.

Sancho raised his arm and began to shout a complaint. He reined himself in. The forward is 20 years old and yet to carry out a single significant act in a United shirt. He has though, played at the Dortmund school of science.

He trained with Pep Guardiola. He has a basic modern footballer’s understanding of positions, the stuff you learn from Fifa 21 or screenshots on Twitter from a Papua New Guinean blogger.

Sancho could see it. His manager? Well, he was standing 30 yards away, motionless in skinny black suit and club anorak, staring out with that familiar look of bafflement, a man feeling the day slide away from him once again, still there at the wheel, still crashing in the same car.

It would be flattering to describe this as a traumatic experience for Manchester United. This? This was nothing.

Once again Ole Gunnar Solskjær was bullied and joshed and ragged by the away section. Once again United produced their secondary formation, the parking of the executive bus, with seven defensive players from the start – but with no fibre, no substance, nothing to sustain this team beyond the gold leaf tomahawk steak up front.

At times you wondered, what was the point of this game of football? Did it ever stand a chance? Alas, the Manchester derby, transformed in the Solskjær era into an extended exercise in how to lose slowly.

City were excellent. But they were also barely stretched in any part of the pitch, reeling off 15 shots at goal, dominating every metric, and enjoying surely the easiest Manchester City victory in the modern history of this fixture.

And so here we are again. The run of games that seemed likely to decide the trajectory of this third Solskjær season now reads: horrifying 5-0 defeat to Liverpool; 3-0 revival against a half-dead Tottenham; heroic 2-2 mess against Atalanta And now this, a sitting down by a genuine team, properly managed. Lads, it’s not Tottenham.

The lack of plan was at least different to the lack of plan against Liverpool. But the effects were the same, despite that beefed-up centre, with the same sense of United’s players as atomised units, the midfielders faced with huge open spaces in front of them, always trying to block or slide or fill that void, where a modern team operates as a drilled, shared matrix of resistance.

City were driven on by a wonderful performance of creative left full-back play from João Cancelo, who is out on his own in that role right now. Guardiola had fielded a team of central midfielders and started the game with four of them stood in a deep line between the red shirts, nobody even pretending to be a centre-forward, the birth of the false, false nine.

Cancelo made the opening goal, a man who just seems to have that goal-voodoo in his boots, timing, placement, range, and also luck.

His cross from the left induced something horrible from Eric Bailly, who drew back his right foot – too far, too wildly- and sliced the clearance across David de Gea and into the top corner.

The game pretty much died at that point, with United already in full Deontay Wilder knockout-artist mode, staggering around the ring, holding on, gassed and puffing, sustained only by the vague hope of landing a golden punch.

The second City goal, just before half-time, was made by a fine bit of play from Bernardo Silva, skimming a pass out to Cancelo, then scampering on to take the return. And also by a terrible piece of defending from Shaw who stood still, calm, a little dreamy, as Silva crept in behind and deflected the ball into the net off De Gea, a pickpocket’s goal.

De Gea could be seen attacking the tunnel as he walked off at the break. It felt a little jarring. Really? Now we’re punching the wall? So mild, so passive, so stuck within the limits of their own plan, it felt at times as though there was nowhere for Solskjær’s iteration of United to go after this.

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The manager has tried to play in a more “progressive” way, and seen his team eviscerated. On Saturday, he went back into that comfortable shell. But really, what is the point of assembling all this talent and playing like that? How have we reached this creative and intellectual dead end?

United are in a weird place. This whole process is in danger of becoming a real-time experiment. What if you just didn’t sack the manager? What if you allowed the process to carry on, past mild under-performance, into hard under-performance, into humiliation, and then – well, what?

Something, it seems, that looks a bit like this, a kind of zombie-ball. Albeit, one that seems to have a little way still to stagger.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...e-ball-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-baffled-spectator

As an incredible evisceration of a manager as I’ve ever seen.
 

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Brilliant article from Barney Ronay



https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...e-ball-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-baffled-spectator

As an incredible evisceration of a manager as I’ve ever seen.
United are in a weird place. This whole process is in danger of becoming a real-time experiment. What if you just didn’t sack the manager? What if you allowed the process to carry on, past mild under-performance, into hard under-performance, into humiliation, and then – well, what?
I think we got our answer already
 

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Great players join this club and get worse as time goes on, if they're lucky to even play that is. It's no coincidence.
Yup, young players should be improving not being stagnant (greenwood, rashford) or getting worse (Sancho, Mctominay). It's obvious what the problem is. Unfortunately the board and owners are also a huge problem so they probably won't fix itm
 

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Spare a thought for actual zombies, who I reckon wouldn't want to be compared with our players today.
 

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Something, it seems, that looks a bit like this, a kind of zombie-ball. Albeit, one that seems to have a little way still to stagger.
Nah the Ole zombie is done. That was his last game.
 

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This is why I find Neville's, Scholes's and the Ole inners opinion on Ole completely rubbish. You can say City have a better team ok, you can say so do Liverpool. But we look totally devoid of ideas in every game. Tactically we're a mess, we struggle to defend playing a 3-5-2 and struggle to attack playing a 4-2-3-1 (4-2-4).

If you look at a manager like Potter, I watched his games against City and Liverpool, he has a squad and team probably worth 5% of ours, yet, you can see his team play a system, you can see what he's trying to do and trying to implement. Even Viera has implemented a system and style of play at Palace within 3 months. We're here 3 years and counting and have not improved one aspect of our game. We still play like we did when Perriera, Martial, Young, Sanchez and Smalling were starting. We just have a couple world class players now that will bail us out occasionally.

The fact that Potter/Viera put up more of a fight against Liverpool and City than we did is a joke. He has to go. He's the worst manager in the league.
 
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Yeah, Maguire and Shaw looked like the people in walking dead

I wanna make a recap, please, take a sit before (health warning):

Bissaka, Fred, Van de Beek, Sancho, Maguire
costed in total 340 million
 
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Yeah, Maguire and Shaw looked like the people in walking dead

I wanna make a recap, please, take a sit before (health warning):

Bissaka, Fred, Van de Beek, Sancho, Maguire
costed in total 340 million
Just saying that Fred was a mourinho player by the way.
 

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This is why I find Neville's, Scholes's and the Ole inners opinion on Ole completely rubbish. You can say City have a better team ok, you can say so do Liverpool. But we look totally devoid of ideas in every game. Tactically we're a mess, we struggle to defend playing a 3-5-2 and struggle to attack playing a 4-2-3-1 (4-2-4).

If you look at a manager like Potter, I watched his games against City and Liverpool, he has a squad and team probably worth 5% of ours, yet, you can see his team play a system, you can see what he's trying to do and trying to implement. Even Viera has implemented a system and style of play at Palace within 3 months. We're here 3 years and counting and have not improved one aspect of our game. We still play like we did when Perriera, Martial, Young, Sanchez and Smalling were starting. We just have a couple world class players now that will bail us out occasionally.

The fact that Potter/Viera put up more of a fight against Liverpool and City than we did is a joke. He has to go. He's the worst manager in the league.
Palace literally just beat them 2-0 playing the same game plan.

So if they can pull it off, why can't we? what's the difference?

They have a squad nowhere near as good as ours. So why did we look so lacklustre? Yes city went down to 10 men fairly early, but City could have played with 9 today and still won at a canter.
 

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Spare a thought for actual zombies, who I reckon wouldn't want to be compared with our players today.
A couple of those fast zombies from World War Z would have been quite handy today, in a 4-4-2 formation!
 

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A couple of those fast zombies from World War Z would have been quite handy today, in a 4-4-2 formation!
Or the fast running zombies in Fallout 4 when you are near Boston.
 

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Its quite crazy to see how much better our movement is now. You see players popping up in all kinds of space, and passing options being plenty. The midfielders, and full backs in particular are constantly switching positions and opening up passing lanes.

Players are sprinting out to actually get into positions - and without the expectation of even receiving the ball.