He didn't get ripped apart as it was generally good. The ideas were good, and just needed more substance IMO. I would be no Adolf Hitler, but I am a warlord, and therefore would want to build a strong military to defend ourselves/attack other places.
Complete Mental Obliteration V2
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just lazy, liam ... lazy. If you were actually Irish, I'd get them to disown you.
Also that's totally not how penicillin works, not all mould is penicillin, you'd have killed those people you were magically healing. They'd see you as some sort of cruel dick, rubbing off cheese into those who dare get wounded.
Also that's totally not how penicillin works, not all mould is penicillin, you'd have killed those people you were magically healing. They'd see you as some sort of cruel dick, rubbing off cheese into those who dare get wounded.
TheBest wins.
Such a poor answer Liam, on many, many levels. Especially given what TB did with his, which I can now say was generally excellent. He had many flaws, but his forward thinking, approach with time, social attitudes and the knowledge that none of this would be easy or quick to do, was brilliant.
I can't believe how bad your answer is. It's just a copy of TB's, but with penicillin and weapons.
I can't believe how bad your answer is. It's just a copy of TB's, but with penicillin and weapons.
So I could come up with a completely new answer, even though he's addressed the most important issues, leave them all out, get it stupidly wrong, and that would be better.
And you never did tell us your zombie answer.
And you never did tell us your zombie answer.
He's not addressed the most important issues at all, but at least he explained them, how realistic they are, how open people would be towards it. You only mentioned two things outside of his ideas, and the rest you just said, 'yeah that's a good idea'.
Familiarising himself with everything first. The improvement of his empire. Selecting responsible people from each field, as well as advancing certain fields. Books, general attitudes to the world, water system, social attitudes, electricity, slow progress - and that's important too, studying fields in areas he doesn't know intricately but still knows they are important, developments around the world.....
There's not even a small comparison. You've just mentioned penicillin and weapons, nothing about anything else, even remotely like the above.
Familiarising himself with everything first. The improvement of his empire. Selecting responsible people from each field, as well as advancing certain fields. Books, general attitudes to the world, water system, social attitudes, electricity, slow progress - and that's important too, studying fields in areas he doesn't know intricately but still knows they are important, developments around the world.....
There's not even a small comparison. You've just mentioned penicillin and weapons, nothing about anything else, even remotely like the above.
Familiarising himself? I can't believe you've said that was a good idea, when you explicitly said that we'd have all of this warlord's memories and knowledge, so you wouldn't need to do any of that.
Selecting people from each field too, what is this? This is 13th century Africa, probably very tribal and uncivilised and undeveloped. In fact, I retract my statement about his answer being good. 'Social attitudes?' What does that mean? That women are housewives who stay at home and clean while the husband goes out and works 9-5 in the office? Not in 13th century Africa.
Developments around the world. Seriously, what the feck. How's he doing that then? When the best mode of transport would be via sea. Or will he just get on the blower to his mate Larry in London to see how things are doing over his end.
Selecting people from each field too, what is this? This is 13th century Africa, probably very tribal and uncivilised and undeveloped. In fact, I retract my statement about his answer being good. 'Social attitudes?' What does that mean? That women are housewives who stay at home and clean while the husband goes out and works 9-5 in the office? Not in 13th century Africa.
Developments around the world. Seriously, what the feck. How's he doing that then? When the best mode of transport would be via sea. Or will he just get on the blower to his mate Larry in London to see how things are doing over his end.
Reasonable point about the warlords knowledge but it would still take some adjusting to incorporate all of what the warlord knows with all that you know.
Don't underestimate all the tribes of Africa, some were not as developed, but others did have a variety of skill sets and has already been laid out this could be anywhere in Africa from Egypt to the South. Even in a society that maybe just had some basic skills like agriculture, hunting, maybe some low level metal smithing, some level of medicine, there would be experts in each field.
So you believe Social Attitudes are something that only applies to modern living.....Social Attitudes exist any place there is in fact a Society......no matter how advance it is or isn't.
So what you are saying is that before the invention of the telephone people did not have the ability to contact others outside of their area....yes they could via land routes....sea routes....ever hear of the Great Library at Alexandria...How about Marco Polo, guess what century he was born in, the 13th. History even history back during and before the 13th century is full of one peoples coming into contact with others.
Oh Liam...
"My first order as your new mighty ruler: Leave some cheese in the sun"
"My first order as your new mighty ruler: Leave some cheese in the sun"
Also, there are lots of moldy cheese, none of which have magic healing powers. Penicillin was observed on bread.
How are you both going to filter water? I know of only one way, which simply isn't good enough for a whole nation's demands, which is simple.
How are you both going to filter water? I know of only one way, which simply isn't good enough for a whole nation's demands, which is simple.
Use a T-shirt? 
Bear in mind there's probably very little wood TB/Liam.
Bear in mind there's probably very little wood TB/Liam.
Just run the water over the moldy cheese.....it would be like giving your drinking water a shot of penicillon.
Depends on the part of Africa they are in right? I have heard some of it has jungle which would imply some trees, which would imply well wood.Use a T-shirt?
Bear in mind there's probably very little wood TB/Liam.
Charcoal filters are a piece of piss to make, your water might taste a bit burnt though.
This is a nation-wide solution? There is a reason why dirty water persists being a problem to this day. Proper filtration methods on a national scale are expensive and complex constructs.
Also, you realise water in 13th century Africa would be a lot less poluted than today? The issue would have been quantity.
Initially I had high hopes for Liam here. It seemed TB was ready to hand a victory to him by default. But TB came up with a fairly ok plan and Liam.....well he didn't let us down did he.
Right Liam, let's say you are are the Malinese emperor: You are the head of what's probably best described as a feudal country (it's below the sahara, near Nigeria/cote d'ivoire etc), you have a shit tonne of gold, can forge stuff out of copper, have good trade networks including big ports. If you need money, salt is worth more than gold.
You have the odd bush.
Can you do any better with that?
You have the odd bush.
Can you do any better with that?
He'll probably sell all his copper for cows.
How hard would it be for the best to extract massive amounts of chlorine if he gets his dam built?
I think the problem there is gathering the required materials to build a dam in 13th century Africa.
fair do's. They did alright with the pyramids 4000 years before though.They didn't have Liam as foreman. Or else the Pyramids would have been called the 'Four random bricks of giza'
How hard would it be to send a few tradesmen east? Get some knowledge of the gun-powder. Start making people to specialize in certain professions, introduce the value-system and slowly get get your people into the feudal-era and start the process of introducing capitalism when the people is used to the basics of the feudal-system.
I can picture the scene now, four dudes sent to the far-east with large supplies of cheese. Pungent, pungent cheese. Arriving in China, proclaiming this cheese has magical healing powers and in return they want the secret of gunpowder.
The Chinese emperor, takes a bite, brave as anything, (this cheese fecking reeks) he's instantly ill. This particular mold wasn't the delicious sort of various French Cheeses, it's certainly not penicillin, it's just a fungus, a deadly - killer fungus.
The Chinese emperor dies almost immediately. The gunpowder is used to kill the four men. Now the retardation has spread to China, a previously world leading civilisation in all fields.
The Chinese emperor, takes a bite, brave as anything, (this cheese fecking reeks) he's instantly ill. This particular mold wasn't the delicious sort of various French Cheeses, it's certainly not penicillin, it's just a fungus, a deadly - killer fungus.
The Chinese emperor dies almost immediately. The gunpowder is used to kill the four men. Now the retardation has spread to China, a previously world leading civilisation in all fields.
Just how odd is Liam's bush? and I guess more importantly do we really want to talk about it.
Well Marco Polo headed east in the 13th century so it was not beyond mankinds capabilities and from what little I understand of that part of history there had been trade routes from China to the Middle East and some African ports on the Indian Ocean before that....so.....
It's bizarre: the tribespeople worship it and Christian's later record that god lit it aflame and spoke through it.
It would not be so hard to sail east, if Liam bothered telling his people about geography. Ohwell, who cares about the americas, not like it's an absolute shit-tonne of great land there for the taking.
It would not be so hard to sail east, if Liam bothered telling his people about geography. Ohwell, who cares about the americas, not like it's an absolute shit-tonne of great land there for the taking.
I took Familiarize himself in the sense that he's taking stock of the situation he's in. Yes, you do assume the entire body and mind of the warlord, but you might still have to assess everything before acting, it's not like you just jump up and start pointing at things and making shit happen.
So it's undeveloped and uncivilized, do you think there were no Africans capable of specifying particular fields in areas they are better in? Are they all mindless zombies who just act as one, unified mind and think and act the same? Of course you are going to have people better in different fields, and it takes a good mind to recognize and nurture that.
Right, so that's the norm, and your idea is to what...keep it the same? The point is you are going back there to change and improve wherever you can, not to keep it as it was or what you think it was. What an awful point to try and argue against.
So because modern transport doesn't exist as we know it, no-one travels anywhere? You think no-one contacted anyone outside of their own region, or looked to seek the developments of elsewhere? The point is, is that you, unlike a 13 century warlord, already know that elsewhere around the world many things would have been happening, that would be beneficial for you to know about.
He's given a realistic assessment of time, how long things would take to do, a slow and gradual approach to changing things, and some good advancements in areas that would have been unknown. You've given no real context to your plan, or any detailed ideas on how it would work, or how likely it would be, or how long it would take.
Let me run you through your plan:
- You've started by telling us his plan is good, and that you would the same things in different order.
- You've than criticized TB for being overly simplistic with the earth revolves around the sun comment, and than gone on to reference discovering penicillin, by making cheese from cows, and letting it grow. Yes, and that's it, the rest is done, penicillin is now made. This doesn't just lead to food with magical healing powers.
- You've said nothing on filtering water of your own, just praised TB's post.
- Criticized TB's part on changing the roles of women in society, despite him saying these things could take upto years to achieve.
- Talked about developing weapons. What weapons? Melee weapons? Can you be anymore vague in your answer? How are you going to develop armour? And than with these mysterious weapons, you achieve expansion and more resources. Again, it can't be more vague.
Most of your plan isn't actually a plan you've made for anything, it's mostly just criticizing, or praising TB's plan.
The next question will have no advantage to either poster, as both will have to write their answers and than state when it's ready, and reveal them together.
Does anyone want to ask a question? If so, say so and I'll hold off on mine until late tonight.
So that's 4-0 to TB then.......of course we all remember the 4-0 lead Arsenal had vs. Newcastle.
Like the idea of revealing both answers at once, takes any advantage away.
Like the idea of revealing both answers at once, takes any advantage away.
I think revealing both answer simultaneously is good thing
By the way
4-0
I honestly thought i'll lose this one
By the way
4-0
I honestly thought i'll lose this one
You still can. Come on Liam, time to break out the big guns.
The Library of Alexandria was destroyed by the 13th Century but yeah, people aren't cavemen.
There were a couple of 'empires' in Africa at the time. Malin being one.
Your a warlord, so first you should be a good at war as you can. Take all your men, divide them into four. Take your four most trusted warriors and make them leaders of these 4 units. Infantry, Artillery, Calvary and Engineers. Each of these groups must be divided by their respective commanders in smaller groups, with a commander of their own, forming a chain of command ending with you.
Get the infantry steel weapons, some proper armour and shields. Have the artillery craft bows and some light armour (leather, heavy pelts) if possible use trade links to get yew tree wood (it's fairly common in north-west Africa) to make the bows about 6 feet in hieght, get them to train religiously, you want them able to fire 3-4 a minute then increase to 6. Calvary need to be trained to ride horses and fight on horse back preferably using short bows or spear. Engineers will be taught to fight with spears and and axes (halberds), until you can hire/abduct a few Italians to make proper siege weaponry.
Your warband is now the most technologically advanced fighting force in Africa and on par with any army in the known world, with some practise, you will be effective until the adoption of the firearm in around 400 years time.
that took 10minutes and thebest never mentioned it.
There were a couple of 'empires' in Africa at the time. Malin being one.
Your a warlord, so first you should be a good at war as you can. Take all your men, divide them into four. Take your four most trusted warriors and make them leaders of these 4 units. Infantry, Artillery, Calvary and Engineers. Each of these groups must be divided by their respective commanders in smaller groups, with a commander of their own, forming a chain of command ending with you.
Get the infantry steel weapons, some proper armour and shields. Have the artillery craft bows and some light armour (leather, heavy pelts) if possible use trade links to get yew tree wood (it's fairly common in north-west Africa) to make the bows about 6 feet in hieght, get them to train religiously, you want them able to fire 3-4 a minute then increase to 6. Calvary need to be trained to ride horses and fight on horse back preferably using short bows or spear. Engineers will be taught to fight with spears and and axes (halberds), until you can hire/abduct a few Italians to make proper siege weaponry.
Your warband is now the most technologically advanced fighting force in Africa and on par with any army in the known world, with some practise, you will be effective until the adoption of the firearm in around 400 years time.
that took 10minutes and thebest never mentioned it.
Hectic, it really is up to you on who wins. Depending on how you first break down someone's answer, dictates popular opinion, and of course, that dictates the score.
Not really, I expressed my disdain before Hectic even posted as did others.
That has nothing to do with it. You seem to think you are being unfairly judged here, tell me why any of your answers have been better so far then?
Plenty of times I have not been the first to comment, and the same conclusion has been reached.
See i dont like to say that mine was lot better but this answer of yours had no hope of winning.
i am starting to think you intentionally want me to win.
I mean last answer of your had just 2 things pencillin and guns
i am starting to think you intentionally want me to win.
I mean last answer of your had just 2 things pencillin and guns
Here's a timeline for you.