Is Lindelof good enough for United?

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He is starting to grow and has got better as the season went on. I am glad and I was ver critical of him so it is good to see the improvement.

Can we really use the “he is young” line though? He is 24 in July.
 

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He has had the same amount of shaky performances than many other young defenders from other top sides.. Stones, Laporte, Holding, Chambers, Christensen, Joe Gomez.. Basically only Spurs have played with the least amount of center backs and their signing - Davidson Sanchez has been the most consistent out of those age category.
Agree. I think it's about context too. Generally fans aren't happy about our CB's for a number of reasons so he then comes under the spotlight because people are looking at him as a signing they hoped would address it. He was never going to be that at present but talk about what he is or isn't is far too premature and unnecessary tbh as we are not short of options in that position at present. Also given our defensive record this season, maybe what we have is better than some would give credit for but that's forums for you.....
 

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This is weird, thought he was our best player yesterday.

Also, that short passing he was doing yesterday was 100% by instruction.

Weirdddddddd
He was actually our man of the match yesterday so this is strange timing for this thread.

I'm maintaining that he'll be our best CB in a couple of seasons and we'll have the likes of Barcelona asking for him. He's 23 years old, touted as the future captain of the Swedish national team and does step in when the regular captain doesn't play. He's constantly communicating at the back and has all the attributes of a young Rio Ferdinand.

People need to give him time to develop and understand that young players make mistakes in their development, it's all about how you learn and respond from your mistakes that separates great players from the rest.

For some reason there's a need to dismiss certain players on here as not good enough, part of me thinks it's the society of today who deem that players aren't good enough because they don't have a certain rating on FIFA, a highlight reel on YouTube or get sold on Football Manager, another part of me things that it fits the narrative against Mourinho 'wasting money' on players we don't need and aren't good enough, while the likes of Martial are the next Pele.
 

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He is starting to grow and has got better as the season went on. I am glad and I was ver critical of him so it is good to see the improvement.

Can we really use the “he is young” line though? He is 24 in July.
He's grown into the season for sure. I think there was even a point on here where most wanted him to start alongside Jones, Smalling or Bailly.

In terms of CB age, he's relatively young but you've got to remember not so long ago he was playing in the Swedish 2nd division, then Portugal and now England, some major leaps in quality there. Rio joined United at the age of 23 but had been playing in the PL for some time before that, he's just going to need about 3 seasons to feel fully comfortable in the PL, we've already seen how composed he looks when we play European opposition.
 

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He is only 23, and sometimes center backs mature later on. Before coming to us, he only played for Benfica. He will certainly learn a lot from our coaches, and perhaps he will also get physically stronger with proper diet and exercise. It is too early to make any conclusions, he needs another year with us, perhaps two.
 

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I will fully judge him after the end of next season. I have my reservations on Bailly as well after 2 years.
Agree with the above.
A few years ago it was an accepted that a player from another league was almost given a season to adjust to a different league and new team members, even more so if they are in the younger bracket.
He started off really shaky and nervous but recently he has started to look composed on the ball, a few times yesterday he brought the ball out well when he had space in front of him.
Compare that to Smalling who only passes the square ball even when there is acres of room in front of him!
 

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....I think Jose saw him as a good partner for Bailly,and one of the main reasons why we signed him was apparently because of his excellent ball distribution skills.
I used to expect the same but recently i wonder might I have been wrong somewhere. The fact is they have never been playing alongside each other as our central defender pairing since Lindelof's arrival, not even once, in all competitions, even in pre-season period.

So there is a possibility Jose bought him here actually to rotate with Bailly himself. Hope this theory is false tbh because it means that Jones/Smalling will always take over at least one central defender starting spot while neither of them is a player we can count on.

TBF Lindelof's performances this season aint persuasive given his price as our most expensive defender ever. However i still believe in Jose's eyes when buying defenders, Lindelof will soon become a proper signing
 

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The only one obviously good enough is Bailly, and he can't stay fit. The others all have some question marks.

Lindelof has looked decent but a bit lightweight and timid so far. Sometimes you see him set up to bring the ball forward or play a difficult pass but he checks himself and plays the easy option. He's improved hugely since that debut though and he has good awareness and composure. I think over the summer he will bulk up and with that will come increased confidence to play the passes he is capable of.
 

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Wait, he was MOTM yesterday after letting Mkhi score that goal between his legs?

Very occasionally I've seen him do something good, but usually it's a tad unconvincing. Not sure if he's been better at CB than Blind, who had some massive flaws in his game by the way.

Also, playing Blind at CB for a season did improve our build up and he would play some lovely long passes from the LCB role. Yet that season we also finished with the lowest amount of goals scored since god knows when and Van Gaal fired for losing out to City on goal difference and stiffling all creativity. This leads to the question of how important a good ball playing CB really is, it seems to be taken for granted, but the Blind experiment suggests that it's much more complex...
 

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I like him - I think alongside Jones, Smalling and Bailly we have a cracking bunch. Expecting our defenders to play splitting balls out form the back and make game changing runs from deep when Pogba and Matic struggle to do that from midfield is just silly though imo. Plus you've usually got one or both of Matic and Herrera picking the ball up from deep...

It's more a setup thing than anything else - Jose has to trust him for anyone to see if he's good enough. For me, he passes nicely and can be very neat and tidy. He always has more time on the ball than Smalling. I reckon he'll do well here.
 

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In my opinion he has started to make less mistakes per game - which people have called out to be good games for us.

I think there is a subtle difference; he still let's players go past him in to some dangerous positions, does not close down on the attacker when in front of them, looks uncomfortable under pressure (he does this thing where he puts his hands behind his back & trembles backwards) makes some awkward passes & headers etc.

He is better than he was when he started - but he does not seem to be a defender within a defensive unit as of yet; a player I could close my eyes & say that an attacker could have all day against him & would struggle to get past him.

However - he has improved & deserves another season to get in to that form.
 
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He's had a better 2nd half of the season than he did in the 1st. Still far from convinced, but he's gone from looking a bit hopeless to somewhere close to adequate.

He still doesn't strike me as a ball playing centre back though, as he has been billed. Some of his passing yesterday was a bit wayward. He's not the most commanding of centre backs either, and right now he just seems to be somewhere in the middle, "can do a job" but doesn't seem to particularly excel at anything.

He was quite expensive for a relatively unknown entity. I don't believe he was brought in with the intention of being a squad player, but I'm yet to see anything that makes him more than that.

Next season will be big for all of our CB options, as I can't see us buying another unless a couple leave. Smalling is continually very unpopular, but the rest of the crop need to be proving why they should be starting ahead of him, as none of them have done so as yet.
 

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He was actually our man of the match yesterday so this is strange timing for this thread.

I'm maintaining that he'll be our best CB in a couple of seasons and we'll have the likes of Barcelona asking for him. He's 23 years old, touted as the future captain of the Swedish national team and does step in when the regular captain doesn't play. He's constantly communicating at the back and has all the attributes of a young Rio Ferdinand.

People need to give him time to develop and understand that young players make mistakes in their development, it's all about how you learn and respond from your mistakes that separates great players from the rest.

For some reason there's a need to dismiss certain players on here as not good enough, part of me thinks it's the society of today who deem that players aren't good enough because they don't have a certain rating on FIFA, a highlight reel on YouTube or get sold on Football Manager, another part of me things that it fits the narrative against Mourinho 'wasting money' on players we don't need and aren't good enough, while the likes of Martial are the next Pele.
Amen. The vultures circling some players more so than others waiting for them to make a mistake even when they are doing Well.
 

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I really like him, I think he has significant ly improved over the last 3 months and I would have him & Smalling as the first choice CB partnership.
 

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Its too early to call with him, there is potentially an amazing player in here and it could just be a classic case of takes time to settle a la Evra and Vidic and also to get used to the jump up to united. He is showing signs of improvement though which is good but its still 50-50 for me yet. Give him time.

Some of you would have had De Gea shipped off after a season :lol:
 

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He's very young, and has only played one season. There's no need to judge him yet. People who say that he will be this or that good have no idea. Let's just wait and see.

Now he's good enough to play against weaker sides. Wouldn't take a change with him against top sides.
 

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No, I don't think so.

The 'iceman' (:rolleyes:) shits himself at the thought of 5 yard passes.
He's literally from a small town in Sweden with 120,000 inhabitants and at the age of 23, he finds himself playing for the biggest team in the world. I'd say he's done remarkably well all things considered.
 

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He has been pretty good lately even though frankly I'm not sure about his potential. I'll reserve my judgement until the next season.
 

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Lindelöf had a bad start but after that been good and more than once been up for the motm.

When the cb get the ball you can always see one of the cm drop very deep to collect the ball which will almost always end up with a short pass to them
 

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I think there is a subtle difference; he still let's players go past him in to some dangerous positions, does not close down on the attacker when in front of them, looks uncomfortable under pressure (he does this thing where he puts his hands behind his back & trembles backwards) makes some awkward passes & headers etc.
I think his two weaknesses are blocking shots and in the air. But I would say he looked really comfortable under pressure yesterday. There were several times when he read the game, stopped the passes to Aubameyang, and then seemed pretty cool with the ball as he he made some turns to get free space for a pass.

About the hands behond the back. It is really common in Spain and Portugal. I think it comes from that they had, or still have, a much tougher interpretation of the hands rule. You would much easier get a penalty than for instance in England. You also see other CB do that, like Ramos, Pique, etc. Not always a bad thing to do that, look at Liverpools hands against Roma, would have been avoided by keeping hands on the back.
 

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He's clearly (potentially) as good as Bailly or Jones. Think he's had a good season all in all, coming after his disaster at Huddersfield.

Seems to be more available to boot.

Whether he's good enough for where United want to go is another question. Right now our centre-backs bar Smalling are incredibly unreliable and so beggars can't be choosers.
 

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Give the guy another season to settle, judge him by his performance in the 19/20 season. If at that point he's not first team quality, sell, sell, sell.

Of course that assumes there is an upward trajectory of improvement. If there isn't any - then sell earlier.
 

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I've always thought he was signed more as a backup player with the hope (as you have with every signing) he'd become good enough to be a starter. Jose wont have enjoyed the patchy fitness of Bailly, Smalling, Jones and Rojo last season and wont have enjoyed having to play Blind in the Europa League final so Lindelof was signed to safe guard against another CB injury crisis

I dont think he'll ever be good enough to be first choice (in a side that wants to win what we want to win) though as is the case with the lot of them
 

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Sadly I don´t see it. Yesterday was no test at all as Arsenal didn´t show up.
He just looks a bit soft, plus I don´t see his ball playing side all that much. But I guess if you compare him to Rojo and Smalling he looks like he can pick a pass without it ending up in row Z.
 

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He looks good on the ball and in defence as well. Give him a run of games and i think we will have a better ball playing defender and an overall better defender than Smalling. Add Rojo and bailly to the list and our defence will be better off in the long term.
 

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For now he's good squad option, still didn't impose himself as a main starter. Judgement will be fairer next season.
 

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He started the season atrociously, but obviously has improved quite a lot since then. He certainly has to improve further if he is going to make it here, but he's done enough to buy himself time to show whether he can or not.

Genuinely don’t see what he offers the squad that Daley Blind at CB could.
That is the problem. So far he really hasn't done anything that Blind was doing better a couple of seasons ago. I'm sure the idea is that he has the potential to reach a higher level, but whether he goes on to do it or not is something we'll have to wait to find out.

Yesterday at one point he ran about 50 yards with it for no reason and then stood still and nervously passed it sideways to the nearest Arsenal player.
I wouldn't say it was for no reason. Pushing up the field and drawing the midfielders to him is actually quite good, as it should in theory create openings for our other players to move into. Of course, passing it straight to an Arsenal player created a dangerous position for us. So the thought was good and I'd quite like to see more of it when the time is right, but the execution needs to improve.
 

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Clearly, Matic has directives to go get the ball from Victor. He is still seen as a liability in going forward with the ball. I actually think he is quite good at placing himself in the right spot for defending and have a good tactic mind. What he lacks is agility, quickness in directional changes and also some confidence and agressiveness.

Hopefully with one season behind him he will take more responsibility. Get the encouragement and confidence to go forward, and Matic will fall behind instead of take the ball of him every time. Better of the whole team will be higher up, and more spaces will open up for passing from the back.
 

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Defending isn't just about clearing the ball and winning headers, there are so many physical aspects as well as psychological. His positioning is not great, he always seems to be stressed and on the back foot. A lot of clearances for throw-ins because he doesn't know where the striker is or the position of our nearest player. When we let in goals with him on the pitch, he is often "just" behind the one that scores. Rio Ferdinand was a cool and calm head, he seemed a bit nonchalant - but with good reason. He was always ahead of the striker, excellent positioning skills, seldom had to tackle 50/50 and pick up yellow cards as a consequence. You also have someone like van Dijk, who thinks he's as good, but often find himself in problems because he thinks he has better control than he really has - the situation against Sterling being the best example right now. If he is less nonchalant, that's never a goal or a chance to begin with. Lindelof is on the opposite side, he seems stressed and erratic, like his life is in danger for 90 minutes. It doesn't bode well with the others, they don't trust him and his body language - it's basic trust 101 for anyone that has played as a defender at any level.

So far I haven't seen a player in Lindelof. Sure he is playing and doing reasonably OK, but this is Manchester United, not Newcastle or Stoke. We need defenders that scare the other team's striker. Kane and Aguero aren't going to feel sick when they see him in our line-up, quite the opposite. We shouldn't judge a player based 6 months, but we also shouldn't have blind faith in the notion that every single player on the planet might become a superstar. That's just naive; we are Man United and the required level is extremely high. Right now, Lindelof is not even close.
 

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Not good enough this season. Still shows that nervousness under pressure and will have to learn fast, or out.
 

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Is it time to judge him yet? I don't think he can be a capable partner for Bailly because they are both weak in the air. That's a major flaw in both of them. And the one who is good in the air is weak on the ball. It seems obvious to me that we have a huge margin for improvement in central defense.
 

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He's been fine lately.... Dunno wtf some of you are on about tbh.
 

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I think he has a bright future with us but centre back is such an integral position he needs a good run of games to establish himself and firm a partnership and understanding with whoever his partner (is Bailey ? ).
Centr backs are all about partnerships
Bruce and Pally
Stam and Jonson
Rio and Vidic
Hope fully Bailey will be fully fit next season and Lindelof will get a steady run
 

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I'm still not convinced by him, but he has definitely improved from the start of the season.
 

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I think he has a bright future with us but centre back is such an integral position he needs a good run of games to establish himself and firm a partnership and understanding with whoever his partner (is Bailey ? ).
Centr backs are all about partnerships
Bruce and Pally
Stam and Jonson
Rio and Vidic
Hope fully Bailey will be fully fit next season and Lindelof will get a steady run
Smalling & Blind too