The Greatest Athlete/Sportsman of all time: Poll Added

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@Arbitrium - In hindisight you should've had this thread as just a discussion to identify a list. Then once it was all agreed, start the poll.

As you see, people barely even agree on who deserves to make the poll.
 

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@Arbitrium - In hindisight you should've had this thread as just a discussion to identify a list. Then once it was all agreed, start the poll.

As you see, people barely even agree on who deserves to make the poll.
Yeah, it’s seen some good discussion nonetheless and might provide some more but irrespective, I think the ones with the most votes MUST be options and I think the results would be similar. Federer and Ali leading is understandable taking everything into account.

It just goes to show you the differences we have in terms of what impresses us. Never going to be able to please everyone with the options.
 

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Lance Armstrong.

Yes, I’m serious, if people can nominate Merckx then I can say Lance!
 

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Most of these doped - so don't stress the doping part. inb4 no failed test stuff.......
 

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Only one vote for Pele compared to 20 for Jordan on a football board does surprise me. My personal view is that teamsport players shouldn’t factor in the GOAT sportsmen/athletes list since there are too many mitigating factors on their performance from teammates as well as the mental fortitude required having nowhere to hide, no one to blame but you for your failures in individual sport.
 

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Only one vote for Pele compared to 20 for Jordan on a football board does surprise me. My personal view is that teamsport players shouldn’t factor in the GOAT sportsmen/athletes list since there are too many mitigating factors on their performance from teammates as well as the mental fortitude required having nowhere to hide, no one to blame but you for your failures in individual sport.
It also means that your teammates can drag you down or you can lift them up.
 

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It also means that your teammates can drag you down or you can lift them up.
Yeah but then again it’s always hard to tell. There are enough bickering about whether Messi is responsible for Barca’s success or the other way around. The truth is somewhere in between but you can’t get a definitive answer.

Most important for me is the mental aspect. To endure the highs and lows alone, constantly be in the spotlight is the hardest obstacle in sports imo. Also some sports are more unforgiving than others. You can have a shite day in a league game and still get to make amends some other day. A bad day in the boxing ring/tennis court and that’s it.
 

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In my short life, I don’t remember anyone as highly regarded within their sport as M Schumacher from 96-02.
 

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In terms of pure statistical dominance in their respective sports, does a larger gap exist other than that of Wayne Gretzky in Hockey? For example, even if he had never scored a single career goal, we would still have the most career points of all time. I know there is large debate over the era of Hockey in which he played, but in terms of pure numbers is there anything else that is better?
 

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In terms of pure statistical dominance in their respective sports, does a larger gap exist other than that of Wayne Gretzky in Hockey? For example, even if he had never scored a single career goal, we would still have the most career points of all time. I know there is large debate over the era of Hockey in which he played, but in terms of pure numbers is there anything else that is better?
Negative. It’s always been a point for a goal and a point for an assist. The goalies used to be a bit crazier so can understand why players used to score more, but that assist number in itself is just baffling.
 

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Why so many unknown guys from regional sports in the list?
 

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This poll isn't valid without Alexander Karelin. He may not be the GOAT, but he is absolutely in the discussion.
 

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Adding a few niche sports:

Alexander Karelin - Greco-Roman wrestling. Possibly the most dominant athlete in any physical sport ever.
Ronnie O'Sullivan - Snooker. Without a doubt the most naturally talented player ever.
Phil Taylor - Darts. 14-time World Champion. Says it all.
Raymond Ceulemans - Billiards. 35-time World Champion. Feck off, Phil Taylor.


Oh, and for a more popular sport, Eddy Merckx. What he did on a bike will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be replicated. No-one will ever get anywhere near it.
Lance Armstrong topped it, and they were both known drug cheats. So there is that.
 

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Lance Armstrong topped it, and they were both known drug cheats. So there is that.
Firstly, no he didn't. Not even close. Cycling is so much more than just the Tour de France and Merckx won it all.

Secondly, Merckx never took anything nearly as potent as the stuff Lance took. Merckx tested positive for a few uppers. Lance was doing heavy blood doping. They are two completely incomparable methods of doping in terms of what they do to a rider's physiology.
 

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I’m not much of an ice-hockey fan but I still voted for Gretzky. Simply reading about his records alone is mind-blowing. The most dominant figure in their chosen sport ever, for me. Other GOATs in their respective sports don’t enjoy that sheer, undisputed level of dominance.
 

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Firstly, no he didn't. Not even close. Cycling is so much more than just the Tour de France and Merckx won it all.

Secondly, Merckx never took anything nearly as potent as the stuff Lance took. Merckx tested positive for a few uppers. Lance was doing heavy blood doping. They are two completely incomparable methods of doping in terms of what they do to a rider's physiology.
That was cycling then, since then, cycling has become a one race sport. The Tour sits at the top of the mountain, with the Giro and Vuelta being distantly ancillary, and the one day classics a novelty for racers who cannot compete in the GC. Merckx did it all, when that was what represented the peak of the sport. Lance did it all, when the Tour was the peak.

Who knows what else Merckx was doing. Doping is doping, and if only we had urine and blood samples frozen away from Merckx the way they had with Lance, so they could have gone back years later to check. The point is, the sport evolved. I don't even really care that Merckx was doping, insofar as professional cycling is, and has been the most laughably dirty sport, SINCE THE 1800's. So returning to that point, what Lance did surpasses anything anyone before him did. Why? He dominated the most important race for 7 years. Lance ruled in the most competitive, fastest era in pro cycling ever. Eddie ruled in an era that was basically glorified amateurs, where a generalist could win. Since the early 70's to the late 90's the sport went through a massive change, the specialists emerged, dedicated to winning a specific style of race. They got faster, much much faster. Eddie Merckx ruling the roost in from 69 to 74 or whatever, is like comparing footballers from the 50's to footballers today. Those guys in the 50's would get run off the pitch by highschoolers today.
 

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I’m not much of an ice-hockey fan but I still voted for Gretzky. Simply reading about his records alone is mind-blowing. The most dominant figure in their chosen sport ever, for me. Other GOATs in their respective sports don’t enjoy that sheer, undisputed level of dominance.
Wayne is so interesting, because you have one of the most grueling, physically brutal sports in the world, and you have this little elf like dude floating around making everyone else around him look like a big dumb blind idiot. Wayne wasn't a special athlete in a traditional sense. He wasn't fast, or strong, or quick, or powerful. He just read the game on a level nobody in any sport that I am aware of, ever has, and he had the technique to exploit what he saw and anticipated.
 

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Your whole post is hilariously wrong.

The Tour is the biggest race of the year, but you're downplaying the importance of the classics and the other big stage races massively. Paris-Roubaix and Ronde van Vlaanderen especially are massive races that riders would probably kill for if it meant they had a chance of winning. The Giro, the Vuelta, Liege-Bastogne-Liege, Il Lombardia, the World Championships, Milano-Sanremo, Amstel Gold Race and Paris-Nice are also races that can make a rider's career if he just wins one of them once. For the most casual viewers the Tour is the beginning and the end of cycling, but for people that actually follow the sport there are dozens of very important races. I know people who only watch football when the World Cup is on and couldn't give two shits about the rest of it who think that the Premier League or the Champions League are irrelevant tournaments. That's what you sound like when you discredit everything apart from the Tour.

Also, cycling is a dirty sport, but it isn't the most laughably dirty sport. Athletics is most likely the worst by far, and American football and baseball are also really bad. Cycling has a bigger reputation for being dirty, and thus there's more testing. More testing means more positive tests, but it doesn't necessarily mean more doping.

And doping is only doping in an ethical sense. In terms of how effective the different substances are there's a world of difference. Give one rider amphetamines and another rider EPO and the guy on EPO wins every time. Amphetamines makes an already good rider slightly better by giving him more energy and a higher pain tolerance. EPO can take a complete amateur and turn him into a world beater, and it has nothing to do with cycling talent and everything to do with how well the individual rider responds. We saw it in the 90's with guys like Riis, Chiappucci and Berzin who were mediocre at best without EPO. Even Lance was miles away from being anywhere near winning a stage race until he got on an EPO program. Lance became the best because he responded well to a particular substance. Merckx didn't need EPO to win anything. He was already the best, dope or no dope.

Oh, and any athlete can only beat the competitors they're up against. Pelé is still considered by many as the greatest of all time even if he played during the 60's and footballers have gotten better since. However, in endurance and power sports there has actually been very little progression over time. The only reason cycling was so much faster in the 90's was because of EPO. Merckx, considering the equipment he used, posted an hour record that only a handful of riders today would get close to, so put him into the peloton today and he'd still be great, if not as dominant as he was back then due to a higher degree of rider specialization.

To put progression of athletes into perspective: Jesse Owens was only about half a second off the pace of the best sprinters today, and he ran on dirt tracks that he had to dig holes into to use as starting blocks, and didn't have access to the steroids sprinters use now. Humans haven't evolved to become better athletes in the past 80 years. Sports just has better equipment, better dope and more money now.
 

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I’d also nominate...

Vasily Alexeyev for the list.

World’s strongest man for a decade, holder of 80 world records, and was actually named in 1999 the “greatest sportsman of the 20th century”.
 

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Voted for Bradman, an absolute colossus of his sport.

Fred Perry reached the very top in 2 sports - world singles champion in table tennis and of course a great tennis player who won 3 consecutive Wimbledons.
 

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Edwin Moses - won 122 consecutive races over the 400m hurdles and was unbeaten for 10 years from 1977 to 1987, breaking the world record 4 times, winning 2 Olympic Golds and 2 World Championships.
 

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From the list above, Don Bradman would have to win based on every one of the 4 criteria.

Not from the list, a mention for Jahangir Khan, greatest squash player ever. Just some highlights:
  1. Six time World Champion and 10 time British Open Champion
  2. He went unbeaten for over 5.5 years (in a sport where you can't draw), a streak lasting 555 matches
  3. He once won a tournament without losing a single point
In terms of stats and delta to his competitors, only he can outshine the Don in my books. The issue is, of course, the stature of the sport.

I’m not much of an ice-hockey fan but I still voted for Gretzky. Simply reading about his records alone is mind-blowing. The most dominant figure in their chosen sport ever, for me. Other GOATs in their respective sports don’t enjoy that sheer, undisputed level of dominance.
You sure about that?
 

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Went for Ali, but similar cases could be made for Schuamcher (for better or worse), Federer as well as Bradman.

The gap between Bradman and the rest of the sport is truly staggering. Sachin is probably the closest but he isn't really close.
 

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I think Simone Biles deserves to be mentioned. Her performance at The olympics was otherworldly and so far removed from her competition, that it was almost unreal. Likely not the greatest athlete of all time, but she’s amongst them.
 

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@Raoul was Dave Winfeld that great of an athlete or is it hyperbolic? Watching a little bit of baseball, he is often mentioned as one of the greatest.
 

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This thread was done in 2012 but from what I can tell there wasn’t a vote and some things have changed in the last 6 years.

When voting, don’t worry about the definition of athlete and sportsman. Basically you are judging these people on the following criteria;

Statistics and honours - barely believable batting average and records
Legacy - Still recognised as the greatest batsmen in the game, 60 years on
Their standing within the sport - See above, true legend staus
Distance from competitors - no one has even approached his batting average
Hence Don Bradman, it's pretty undisputed.
 

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@Raoul was Dave Winfeld that great of an athlete or is it hyperbolic? Watching a little bit of baseball, he is often mentioned as one of the greatest.
Winfield was a great athlete, but not an all time great in any particular sport.

Little known fact about Winfield is that he was drafted by pro teams in 3 different sports - baseball, basketball and football. I’m pretty sure he is the only one that has ever happened to.