FAO Gillespie

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

<a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2003111603,00.html" target="_blank">Would Roma fans be justified in getting Keown?</a>

And I'm making this a sticky to make sure all the Arsenal hypocrites see it.

sidsutton · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2003111603,00.html" target="_blank">Would Roma fans be justified in getting Keown?</a><hr></blockquote>

Amazing how Wenger didn't see that one as it was on the "other side of the pitch" but he saw Sol/Ole clearly enough.

BTW Livvie it appears Gillespie's business trip has been extended by a few days. Purely a coincidence, I'm sure.

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by sidsutton:


Amazing how Wenger didn't see that one as it was on the "other side of the pitch" but he saw Sol/Ole clearly enough.

BTW Livvie it appears Gillespie's business trip has been extended by a few days. Purely a coincidence, I'm sure.<hr></blockquote>

Pity he didn't go before he spouted all that shite about Ole being dead etc.

sidsutton · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Livvie20:


Pity he didn't go before he spouted all that shite about Ole being dead etc.<hr></blockquote>

what's this? I must have missed that.

BTW you just swore. first time I've seen that I think.

spinoza · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by sidsutton:

BTW you just swore. first time I've seen that I think. <hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

sidsutton · Apr 19, 2003

Livvie, now I've gone into the United forum, I know what you are talking about. TBH, I've never liked Gillespie and that just confirms my view.

arnie sidebottom · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by sidsutton:


what's this? I must have missed that.

BTW you just swore. first time I've seen that I think. <hr></blockquote>

I love it when she talks dirty...

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:


I love it when she talks dirty... <hr></blockquote>

Shhh. You said you wouldn't tell anyone.....

Stoned.Rose · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:


I love it when she talks dirty... <hr></blockquote>

Mud.

Gillespie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2003111603,00.html" target="_blank">Would Roma fans be justified in getting Keown?</a>

And I'm making this a sticky to make sure all the Arsenal hypocrites see it.<hr></blockquote>

Keown didn't go down like a sniper shot him (unlike OGS).The difference in this case which makes (fairly or unfairly)Arsenal feel aggrieved is that Sol's connection genuinely looked unintentional (and I was there).His suspension means he will miss the FA Cup final.Is it expecting too much for OGS to say something? Even if he believed it was deliberate,I'd think most Arsenal players would accept that.At least Keown responded to Capello's accusations.

Stoned.Rose · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


Is it expecting too much for OGS to say something? <hr></blockquote>

True.

He should come out and say the truth that Campbell deliberately elbowed him in the face.
And deserves to banned for four matches.

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


Keown didn't go down like a sniper shot him (unlike OGS).The difference in this case which makes (fairly or unfairly)Arsenal feel aggrieved is that Sol's connection genuinely looked unintentional (and I was there).His suspension means he will miss the FA Cup final.Is it expecting too much for OGS to say something? Even if he believed it was deliberate,I'd think most Arsenal players would accept that.At least Keown responded to Capello's accusations.<hr></blockquote>

And what did Keown say? That he made a meal of it?

So as long as Ole comes out and says it was deliberate from Campbell, that's OK? Well I hope he does that soon then.

I thought you'd try and whitewash it because it's one of your players - and how big are you Gillespie? I'd like to see how quickly you'd go down if someone a hell of a lot bulkier than you swung an arm in your direction.

Gillespie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Livvie20:


And what did Keown say? That he made a meal of it?

So as long as Ole comes out and says it was deliberate from Campbell, that's OK? Well I hope he does that soon then.

I thought you'd try and whitewash it because it's one of your players - and how big are you Gillespie? I'd like to see how quickly you'd go down if someone a hell of a lot bulkier than you swung an arm in your direction.<hr></blockquote>

OK Livvie.You're pretty decent on here.Tell me how you saw it.
a)Did you think it was intentional?
b)Did you think OGS made a meal out of it to get Sol sent off?
and c)If you think it wasn't intentional,would you have given only a yellow,for at best,reckless use of the arm?

Do you think Sol deserves a 4 match ban and miss out on the rest of the season? Tell me what you think.

Amir · Apr 19, 2003

How the hell does Ole know of it was intentional? Only one person knows that and it's Campbell.

As for the punishment - it's violent conduct and it's a red card. Reminds me of Liverpool fans saying Hyypia should not have been sent off against us because we already got a penalty anyway.

Well, thats nice, but the laws of the game claim otherwise.

As for the four match ban, it's three for violent conduct and one extra for being his second sending off. So why not?

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


OK Livvie.You're pretty decent on here.Tell me how you saw it.
a)Did you think it was intentional?
b)Did you think OGS made a meal out of it to get Sol sent off?
and c)If you think it wasn't intentional,would you have given only a yellow,for at best,reckless use of the arm?

Do you think Sol deserves a 4 match ban and miss out on the rest of the season? Tell me what you think.<hr></blockquote>

I don't think he intended to hurt Ole - I don't think any player would deliberately do that, but I do think it was careless and therefore dangerous. Looking at it from the linesman's angle, I would definitely have sent him off.

I can't say Ole didn't make a meal of it any moe than you can say he did - but Sol is a big bloke, and Ole isn't - if he caught him with his arm at speed, it's going to hurt - and the pictures show that he made contact.

If you see shots of Ole afterwards, you can see his nose was affected - and these are off the ball shots, so he wouldn't have known the cameras were on him.

I don't think there was maliciousness, but it was reckless. By the laws of the game, he had to be penalised. Is there a yellow-card option for use of an elbow, intentional or otherwise?

I've seen players sent off for unintentional handling of the ball in the penalty area - next time you get one of those decisions, will you accept it happily?

Gillespie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Livvie20:


I don't think he intended to hurt Ole - I don't think any player would deliberately do that, but I do think it was careless and therefore dangerous. Looking at it from the linesman's angle, I would definitely have sent him off.

I can't say Ole didn't make a memal of it any moe than you can say he did - but Sol is a big bloke, and Ole isn't - if he caught him with his arm at speed, it's going to hurt - and the pictures show that he made contact.

If you see shosts of Ole afterwards, you can see his nose was affected - and these are off the ball shots, so he wouldn't have known the cameras were on him.

I don't think there was maliciousness, but it was reckless. By the laws of the game, he had to be penalised. Is there a yellow-card option for use of an elbow, intentional or otherwise?

I've seen players sent off for unintentional handling of the ball in the penalty area - next time you get one of those decisions, will you accept it happily?<hr></blockquote>

I suppose it all comes down to consistency.Would you have sent RVN off therefore for his bloodying the nose of Legwinsky?I can't see any difference in either action.But RVN didn't get sent off and he was allowed to score when Fulham clearly felt aggrieved that a free kick at least should have been awarded.

Stoned.Rose · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


Tell me how you saw it.
a)Did you think it was intentional?

Yes

b)Did you think OGS made a meal out of it to get Sol sent off?

Hope so it would be even better then.

Do you think Sol deserves a 4 match ban and miss out on the rest of the season?

Yes fantastic news..<hr></blockquote>

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


I suppose it all comes down to consistency.Would you have sent RVN off therefore for his bloodying the nose of Legwinsky?I can't see any difference in either action.But RVN didn't get sent off and he was allowed to score when Fulham clearly felt aggrieved that a free kick at least should have been awarded.<hr></blockquote>

If any player, from whichever team, is guilty of breaching the rules, they have to take the consequences.

Doesn't mean I'm not grateful if our players "get away with it".

arnie sidebottom · Apr 19, 2003

Campbell chose to raise his arm. Not Ole. Only Campbell knows whether it ws intentional or not.

I guess the club's position is that it is a matter for the referee and the authorities. The hype will continue whether Ole says or doesn't say anything - Wenger will see to that. So I think 'no comment' is the best course..until something else comes along to distract the media.

Jens · Apr 19, 2003

Interesting Gilligan hasn´t said a word about Henry´s pair of offside goals yet.

Jens · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


Keown didn't go down like a sniper shot him (unlike OGS).<hr></blockquote>

That´s because OGS was touched and Keown wasn´t.

The difference in this case which makes (fairly or unfairly)Arsenal feel aggrieved is that Sol's connection genuinely looked unintentional (and I was there).<hr></blockquote>

Of course. Fight for justice and so on. Can you explain to me why the donkey wearing 23 turned around to see if anyone was behing him before he smashed his arm into Ole´s face?

His suspension means he will miss the FA Cup final.<hr></blockquote>

Poor Sol. Should´ve maybe thought about the consequences of smashing his arm into an opponents´ face.

Is it expecting too much for OGS to say something? Even if he believed it was deliberate,I'd think most Arsenal players would accept that.At least Keown responded to Capello's accusations.<hr></blockquote>

Who the hell do you think you are? Ordering Ole to speak out? Why? The pictures speak for themselves.

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Suedesi · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Jens:

That´s because OGS was touched and Keown wasn´t.
<hr></blockquote>

Exactly.

Gillespie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Jens:
Interesting Gilligan hasn´t said a word about Henry´s pair of offside goals yet.

<hr></blockquote>

As I was at the game,I've only seen the TV replay of the Sol incident.I haven't seen the goals other than at full speed from the main camera angle which doesn't show the offside evidence.

Martin Henry · Apr 19, 2003

I don't think it was deliberate, I just don't think Sol's that kind of player...

However what goes around comes around, every player knows the rules, remember that game at Old Trafford when a Newcastle player was clean through?...

Ole brought him down very cynically and was rightly sent off, but Ole knew he was going and was actually walking off before the card...

I'm not saying that Sol knew (or even should have known) that he was going to be sent off but he surely knew that his elbow had made contact with Ole (intentionally or not) and must therefore have suspected it might be viewed harshly...

These things tend to even themselves out over a season, don't forget the help that Arsenal got off the referee in the semi-final...

So stop crying all you Arsenal fans, you're not top of the league any more for a reason...

...

Murt · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


As I was at the game,I've only seen the TV replay of the Sol incident.I haven't seen the goals other than at full speed from the main camera angle which doesn't show the offside evidence.<hr></blockquote>

So basically what your trying to say is

"i did not see eeeet"

<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/wenger.gif" border="0" alt="[Wenger]" />

DanishDevil · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Martin Henry:
However what goes around comes around, every player knows the rules, remember that game at Old Trafford when a Newcastle player was clean through?...

Ole brought him down very cynically and was rightly sent off, but Ole knew he was going and was actually walking off before the card...
<hr></blockquote>

I simply luv'd that one

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by DanishDevil:


I simply luv'd that one <hr></blockquote>

Me too.

Made him as much a hero as Barcelona that did.

DanishDevil · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Livvie20:


Me too.

Made him as much a hero as Barcelona that did.<hr></blockquote>

I don't forget how all the others in the team just stopped up, to watch that Newcastle-player (who??) get a free run... the next thing you see, is Ole making a fabolous sprint... he could actually have got the ball, couldn't he?? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Jens · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


As I was at the game,I've only seen the TV replay of the Sol incident.I haven't seen the goals other than at full speed from the main camera angle which doesn't show the offside evidence.<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/wenger.gif" border="0" alt="[Wenger]" />

MauritianRed · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:
As I was at the game,I've only seen the TV replay of the Sol incident.I haven't seen the goals other than at full speed from the main camera angle which doesn't show the offside evidence.<hr></blockquote>So how does this work Gill? You did not see whether the goals were offside or not, but you definitely saw the Sol/Ole incident which happened in a fraction of a second.So you did not see the replays. You are making yourself a bigger and bigger twat everytime you try to reply. BTW Henry should come out and ask FA to cancel his first goal as it was not intentional.

Gillespie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by MauritianRed:
So how does this work Gill? You did not see whether the goals were offside or not, but you definitely saw the Sol/Ole incident which happened in a fraction of a second.So you did not see the replays. You are making yourself a bigger and bigger twat everytime you try to reply. BTW Henry should come out and ask FA to cancel his first goal as it was not intentional.<hr></blockquote>

The Sol incident has been replayed loads of times on SKY.....but the goals haven't

WeasteDevil · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Jens:


<img src="graemlins/wenger.gif" border="0" alt="[Wenger]" /> <hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Class! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Stoned.Rose · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


The Sol incident has been replayed loads of times on SKY.....but the goals haven't<hr></blockquote>

I've just seen the Sol/Ole incident at least another six times from different angles on Canal+ and nothing will change my mind now. Four match ban for violent conduct end of as far as i'm concerned.

Gillespie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by stoned.rose:


I've just seen the Sol/Ole incident at least another six times from different angles on Canal+ and nothing will change my mind now. Four match ban for violent conduct end of as far as i'm concerned.<hr></blockquote>

If you weren't such a dickhead,I might give your remarks some validity

WeasteDevil · Apr 19, 2003

Shame you haven't got a banning stick eh Stoned One? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

26 may 1999 · Apr 19, 2003

Has campbell got a girlfiend gilly?

Suedesi · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by MauritianRed:
BTW Henry should come out and ask FA to cancel his first goal as it was not intentional.<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Gillespie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by 26 may 1999:
Has campbell got a girlfiend gilly?<hr></blockquote>

Have you ?.........or come to that has Gary Neville?

Livvie · Apr 19, 2003

Originally posted by Gillespie:


The Sol incident has been replayed loads of times on SKY.....but the goals haven't<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/wenger.gif" border="0" alt="[Wenger]" /> strikes again.

The goals have been on countless times.

26 may 1999 · Apr 19, 2003

I was only asking tough guy.

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