Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake

[devilish]

You mean like pep did? He bought players that didn’t work out, and he replaced them the very next year. No one said he should be sacked. The huge difference is that pep already had a title winning team. He didn’t win anything his first year. Jose got us a couple of trophies with a largely average team. He got us 2nd the next year. Instead of backing him to push on to try win the league, we cut the legs out from under. I know people say he sabotaged us, but can you hand on heart say Jose is that type of man? He wants to win to his detriment.

The performances of late have been exact replicas of how we were toward the end of Jose’s time here. I can’t imagine ole is telling them to play like that. And since Jose isn’t here, that only leaves them. So I’m not sure Jose is/was the only problem we had this year.

If we had the money to keep buying a new team again and again, up until Mou finally get it right then we might have put some FM fan as a manager rather then the special one. You expect that top tier managers won't lose the very dressing room he built that easily and is able to get most of the transfers right. Pep did so.

Seriously we were getting nowhere with Mou. He kept strengthening the same positions again and again (CB for example) only to complain when they stopped him from doing it after his third try. Meanwhile most of his transfers were shit and the situation grew so silly that we went on buying a new midfielder (50m btw) on his recommendation only for the manager not to bother playing him up. His transfer suggestions were short term or/and silly (Sanchez, Willian, Perisic, Maguire), he started blaming everyone for his mistakes (the board, the very players he brought in etc) and he was on his way out. Don't take me wrong the board needs to be better but you don't pay a top tier manager to act like a spoiled 5 year old either.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

If we had the money to keep buying a new team again and again, up until Mou finally get it right then we might have put some FM fan as a manager rather then the special one. You expect that top tier managers won't lose the very dressing room he built that easily and is able to get most of the transfers right. Pep did so.

Seriously we were getting nowhere with Mou. He kept strengthening the same positions again and again (CB for example) only to complain when they stopped him from doing it after his third try. Meanwhile most of his transfers were shit and the situation grew so silly that we went on buying a new midfielder (50m btw) on his recommendation only for the manager not to bother playing him up. His transfer suggestions were short term or/and silly (Sanchez, Willian, Perisic, Maguire), he started blaming everyone for his mistakes (the board, the very players he brought in etc) and he was on his way out. Don't take me wrong the board needs to be better but you don't pay a top tier manager to act like a spoiled 5 year old either.

A manager is only as good as his scouting network, and ours was shit. Its been sorted now, but it will take awhile to bare any fruit. Bailly started off very well. It was only after he got injured that he turned to shit. The opposite is true of Lindelof. Started off poor and has finally adapted well. I really dont see the issue with wanting to replace smalling, jones, rojo. Especially when one of them is almost never fit, and the another is made of glass. Sanchez was a top player that everyone wanted here. So its not like anyone saw how poor he was going to be for us. Lukaku grabbed us a lot of goals in his first year. Not pretty, but he did his job. Dalot is only 19 but shows a lot of promise and spirit. Fred and miki I dont get. In fact I dont get them so much Ive questioned if they were his choices at all. Willian and perisic are great(as you say short term) if youre looking to move on mata and lingard. Which he probably was. Lingard is very limited, and matas best position has been mostly phased out of the game, and hes shit on that wing. We've needed right winger for years, and willian could have done a job for us.

My point is, he did make mistakes, but they werent glaring mistakes. He obviously wanted that defence taken care of so that he could do something other than part the bus. It didnt work out, and when he tried to fix it, someone who doesnt know a thing about the game said no. So he stopped playing the park the bus football to show what he was talking about, and of course we turned to shit. As soon as woody gave him that contract he should have back him. He should have backed him until the wheels came off. Maybe if he had been backed as he wanted, we wouldnt be where we are, and liverpool might not be in with a shout of winning the league. 2nd place last year, europa league winners the year before and know we are struggling to get sixth.

As for the wasted money, thats all on woody and his team of knobends. How they got to where they are, doing deals like they have is a mystery to me. Giving lingard a 100 grand a week. Felliani 100 grand. A well past it rooney 350 grand a week. Contracts for those who should be on their way out. The list goes on and on.

And one last thing on pep, then Im done, promise. That guy tried to get rid of augero. Imagine just how fecking stupid you need to be to try to get rid of a current club legend who still has loads of goals in him and inspires the rest of the team. Pep walked into an already well running squad. He didnt really have anything to fix and what he did fix wasnt broken. The goal keeper, yes. But everything else wasnt fecked up like it was here for jose. Jose had a full rebuild on his hands. Pep once again took charge of an already established team and tweaked it. Swap the managers around and the team results would be the same, only pep would be sacked and jose would be winning the league yet again.

 

[devilish]

A manager is only as good as his scouting network, and ours was shit. Its been sorted now, but it will take awhile to bare any fruit. Bailly started off very well. It was only after he got injured that he turned to shit. The opposite is true of Lindelof. Started off poor and has finally adapted well. I really dont see the issue with wanting to replace smalling, jones, rojo. Especially when one of them is almost never fit, and the another is made of glass. Sanchez was a top player that everyone wanted here. So its not like anyone saw how poor he was going to be for us. Lukaku grabbed us a lot of goals in his first year. Not pretty, but he did his job. Dalot is only 19 but shows a lot of promise and spirit. Fred and miki I dont get. In fact I dont get them so much Ive questioned if they were his choices at all. Willian and perisic are great(as you say short term) if youre looking to move on mata and lingard. Which he probably was. Lingard is very limited, and matas best position has been mostly phased out of the game, and hes shit on that wing. We've needed right winger for years, and willian could have done a job for us.

My point is, he did make mistakes, but they werent glaring mistakes. He obviously wanted that defence taken care of so that he could do something other than part the bus. It didnt work out, and when he tried to fix it, someone who doesnt know a thing about the game said no. So he stopped playing the park the bus football to show what he was talking about, and of course we turned to shit. As soon as woody gave him that contract he should have back him. He should have backed him until the wheels came off. Maybe if he had been backed as he wanted, we wouldnt be where we are, and liverpool might not be in with a shout of winning the league. 2nd place last year, europa league winners the year before and know we are struggling to get sixth.

As for the wasted money, thats all on woody and his team of knobends. How they got to where they are, doing deals like they have is a mystery to me. Giving lingard a 100 grand a week. Felliani 100 grand. A well past it rooney 350 grand a week. Contracts for those who should be on their way out. The list goes on and on.

And one last thing on pep, then Im done, promise. That guy tried to get rid of augero. Imagine just how fecking stupid you need to be to try to get rid of a current club legend who still has loads of goals in him and inspires the rest of the team. Pep walked into an already well running squad. He didnt really have anything to fix and what he did fix wasnt broken. The goal keeper, yes. But everything else wasnt fecked up like it was here for jose. Jose had a full rebuild on his hands. Pep once again took charge of an already established team and tweaked it. Swap the managers around and the team results would be the same, only pep would be sacked and jose would be winning the league yet again.

Excuses, Excuses. Mou had been here for enough time to sort our scouting network if he wanted. All the transfers came with his blessing and he should assume responsibility for their failure.

His mistakes costed us 400m so I wouldn't say they weren't glaring mistakes. Most of his players were a huge failure for us, players btw he soon got tired off as he asked for new players in that same position. Some of these players he barely gave a real run at the team which speaks volumes of what sort of planning the special one had for us. Meanwhile he was busy handling contracts to shit players like Fellaini and Rojo and throwing fits because we didn't want to sign players who were in decline like Toby, Willian and Perisic on crazy money as we did with Sanchez and Matic before them.

As said I do think that the board need a serious revamp, however lets not try and portray this clown as the victim here. First of all, Mou was always against having a DOF above him. He clashed with DOFs at Real and Chelsea and the head coach comment made it quite clear he would have been pretty irritated if we added people to sort this issue once and for all. Secondly even the best of negotiators wouldn't have managed to get the likes of Perisic, Willian, Sanchez, Maguire, Toby and co for peanuts because their clubs wouldn't have sold them. Players cost money, hence why a top tier manager would have a huge success rate on the transfer market and would avoid losing the dressing room. Mou unfortunately lost the dressing room three times in a row, which kind of suggest that this goes beyond the incompetency of our board.

All managers do dumb decisions. SAF got rid of Stam and the defence collapsed after that. Yet what distinguish a top tier manager and a shit one is his success rate at the club. Mou's decision making rate at our club had been abysmal. He got it wrong at Real and Chelsea as well hence why they got rid of him. Its clear that the guy is in decline.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Yeah because that's how things work. You can just walk into any huge institution with it's already pre-established culture and magically wave your little rod about then watch as everyone and everything folds into place exactly how you'd imagined it within a couple of months - without letting anyone go or bringing in some new faces even. If that's your experience in life then you've either lived a very sheltered one or been way luckier than most - in fact I'd say you're spoiled rotten. It won't even work like that when you take charge of your local convenience store - far less at a huge enterprise such as Manchester United Football Club.

His job this season has been saving what he can from the scraps left to him by the previous regime while at the same time learning who's what and which ones aren't plus where everyone and everything is at - and also getting the most from players who are either over the top and incapable of adapting - not quite up to standards ("yet" at least some of them are young and personally I have high hopes) - or not motivated to perform properly because their hearts have already moved on / never truly settled here. This isn't his squad - it's not even a squad worthy of fighting in the top (hasn't been for years) - and due to these circumstances it's unable to play his preferred style of football. He's already elaborated on this himself even - told us how he wants us to play and explained why he's unable to do so at this point - so why make that argument in the first place - that he has no style?

He needs to shape his own team and he's stuck with having to compromise and learn things on they fly the best he can until he's done that. Oh and guess what - even Klopp agrees with this. When asked about Solskjær his reply was "Of course he needs time". And that's "of course" because you don't have to be someone of Klopp's caliber to see it - it is something you'd expect being obvious for anyone.

I don't know what a "top red" rant is by the way - but I do recognize a bottom-feeder's lack of perspective when I see it - plus their tendency towards just repeating the same drivel over and over again without taking into consideration any objections already made against it - and also their selective reasoning. Maybe Solskjær fails - maybe he'll succeed. Only time will tell to be honest but we should all agree at least - since we are supporters after all - that hoping he doesn't make a mess of things and doing our part by motivating both him and his squad the best we can is what benefits this club and it's reputation. Gain the reputation of a hostile and somewhat demented crowd and you can kiss any chance of getting big names here goodbye whether it be players or managers and also abandon any hope of having them perform their best.

Because nobody wants to play before someone completely obnoxious and depraved of all their senses and even if they do they sure as Hell won't go that extra 5-10% needed in order to become champions just to please them.

I'm not expecting immediate titles, in fact I'm ready to wait for another 6 years for us to compete properly but things have to improve first. If our problems aren't getting fixed then there is no point in giving time to a manager.

All the crap that you have typed was said for Mourinho also, how he needs time and support and his own team and all that crap. Mourinho wasn't just up to it, he wasn't coaching and putting things correct he was just winging it pinning blames on the players and the board.

If a manager cannot get a squad to pass and move and press decently especially a team which was do crap at it, then the manager is incompetent. There is no point in sticking by him just because we made a mistake and appointed him.

Answer me honestly, if we hadn't appointed Solksjaer, would you give him the manager role after his horrible run or would you wait until the end of the season?

 

[redIndianDevil]

Not taking it seriously at all mate. Quite the opposite, this thread has given me some good laughs. For all the wrong reasons though.

Just making the very valid point that this thread is an absolute shambles and that the OP should feel ashamed.

There is no fair way to pass judgement on a manager after 4 months. Maybe, if OGS had literally showed up in Carrington with a shotgun and started firing at random, then this thread wouldn't be quite such a shining exemplar of mental illness. He hasn't though.

If four months isn't enough to at least make a few changes, then how is Solksjaer going to fix it with just one month of pre season? He is definitely not going to change the entire squad, IMO he can probably add 3-4 players.

 

[Billy Blaggs]

I'm not expecting immediate titles, in fact I'm ready to wait for another 6 years for us to compete properly but things have to improve first. If our problems aren't getting fixed then there is no point in giving time to a manager.

All the crap that you have typed was said for Mourinho also, how he needs time and support and his own team and all that crap. Mourinho wasn't just up to it, he wasn't coaching and putting things correct he was just winging it pinning blames on the players and the board.

If a manager cannot get a squad to pass and move and press decently especially a team which was do crap at it, then the manager is incompetent. There is no point in sticking by him just because we made a mistake and appointed him.

Answer me honestly, if we hadn't appointed Solksjaer, would you give him the manager role after his horrible run or would you wait until the end of the season?

Yeah I would. We've tried everything else.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Russia? What are you on about?

It is not even marginally justifiable to call for a managers head 4 months in, with none of his players having been signed, with no pre-season. It is completely and totally moronic. It is idiotic. It is verging on lunacy. It may actually be a sign of some form of retardation.

This thread is fucking awful, and we've all been made more stupid for having to sift through this complete and total bollocks.

perfectly said and very true!

 

[redIndianDevil]

Yeah I would. We've tried everything else.

We are yet to try appointing a decent coach who is not over the hill (LvG) or who is not so anti-football (Moyes and Mou).

Tell me what gives you hope that Ole has what it takes to make us compete against managers like Klopp and Guardiola?

 

[red4ever 79]

The recent form is not acceptable. Not acceptable from the players or manager. Big summer for Ole. As Keane said if he goes into next season with these players they will throw him under the bus as well. I truly believe that. Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, Martial too many bad eggs there. Add in the players who perhaps show a good attitude but are then just not Manchester United quality, Lingard, Smalling, Jones, Young. Big summer

 

[Billy Blaggs]

We are yet to try appointing a decent coach who is not over the hill (LvG) or who is not so anti-football (Moyes and Mou).

Tell me what gives you hope that Ole has what it takes to make us compete against managers like Klopp and Guardiola?

And here we go again.
@redIndianDevil what made either of them special?

 

[redIndianDevil]

And here we go again.
@redIndianDevil what made either of them special?

Both of them have a system which they drill into any squad they take over. It's no wonder Klopps Liverpool play exactly like Dortmund and while City doesn't exactly play like peak Barca, their principles are the same. Both of them are so experienced at coaching this way, they make instant impact on a squad, they identify what the squad lacks easily and fixes them.

When Klopp took over, Liverpool started pressing well immediately, City's passing and pressing improved too and both of them fixed their defensive issues with shrewd purchases. Klopp didn't need an entire year to bring the squad upto shape, it was evident what he was trying to do. Same with City.

Four months on from Solksjaers tenure, what type of football is he trying to make us play? Has our passing or pressing or movement improved? Why is constantly rotating his side? Why is our defensive line so deep but our forwards are pressing higher up the pitch like idiots creating huge space in the midfield? This is a simple thing that is obvious to all those who watch football but to someone who is managing us? Id be a lot more supportive if he atleast had the experience of coaching in a top league before but Cardiff is his only top league experience. I don't expect the instant gratification of winning titles immediately but I have to see improvement at least. I'm tired of us making the same mistakes over and over again and wasting another year and precious money.

 

[Giggsyking]

It wasn't Jose's fault this crop of players is lazy and spoiled, it was however Jose's fault that he was a miserable cnut who handled everything abrasively through the media.

He assembled this team. 470 m euros. 10 players. It is no one's fault but him.

 

[Marcelinho87]

I genuinely think the downturn in form is the players are knackered after having to press like hell all of a sudden when they didn't have to under Mourinho.

I think it is why we got a lot of injuries at once aswell, I think this will improve with fitness work over the summer plus the addition of new players.

In Ole I trust.

 

[freeurmind]

The man most likely to be appointed manager if it hadnt been Ole was Pochettino according to the bookies. Poch had a win ratio of less than 40% at Espanyol and Southampton before going to Spurs. Give Ole time, stop turning each bad performance into a crisis like the media do.

 

[beedoubleyou]

The man most likely to be appointed manager if it hadnt been Ole was Pochettino according to the bookies. Poch had a win ratio of less than 40% at Espanyol and Southampton before going to Spurs. Give Ole time, stop turning each bad performance into a crisis like the media do.

Well said.

 

[Rista]

Calling for his head is taking it too far but surely it's natural for every fan to be worried given the circumstances. The board were obviously not convinced he was the man for the job until our good run of games, which included some easy fixtures in the beginning, the new manager bounce and the fact that our performances did not always match the results.

Should we, based on earlier good results then trust him with complete squad overhaul? It's a massive gamble IMO and we could be making the same mistake all over again. It does seem even fans have not learned that "let him bring in his own players" is not exactly THE recipe for success. If he fails, we get another manager in who needs to be given time and money to "bring in his own players". This isn't how most top clubs work.

I guess what I'm saying, there is nothing "embarrassing" about being worried. If he wasn't a club legend this recent run of terrible results would probably seen differently. If we ignore the results and focus on performances, it doesn't really get much better either. We've given the massive job of a squad rebuild to a manager who has never done anything like it before and who has shown no clear, defined playing style so far. It could work out but still seems like a gamble that perhaps wasn't what we needed at this point.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Excuses, Excuses. Mou had been here for enough time to sort our scouting network if he wanted. All the transfers came with his blessing and he should assume responsibility for their failure.

His mistakes costed us 400m so I wouldn't say they weren't glaring mistakes. Most of his players were a huge failure for us, players btw he soon got tired off as he asked for new players in that same position. Some of these players he barely gave a real run at the team which speaks volumes of what sort of planning the special one had for us. Meanwhile he was busy handling contracts to shit players like Fellaini and Rojo and throwing fits because we didn't want to sign players who were in decline like Toby, Willian and Perisic on crazy money as we did with Sanchez and Matic before them.

As said I do think that the board need a serious revamp, however lets not try and portray this clown as the victim here. First of all, Mou was always against having a DOF above him. He clashed with DOFs at Real and Chelsea and the head coach comment made it quite clear he would have been pretty irritated if we added people to sort this issue once and for all. Secondly even the best of negotiators wouldn't have managed to get the likes of Perisic, Willian, Sanchez, Maguire, Toby and co for peanuts because their clubs wouldn't have sold them. Players cost money, hence why a top tier manager would have a huge success rate on the transfer market and would avoid losing the dressing room. Mou unfortunately lost the dressing room three times in a row, which kind of suggest that this goes beyond the incompetency of our board.

All managers do dumb decisions. SAF got rid of Stam and the defence collapsed after that. Yet what distinguish a top tier manager and a shit one is his success rate at the club. Mou's decision making rate at our club had been abysmal. He got it wrong at Real and Chelsea as well hence why they got rid of him. Its clear that the guy is in decline.

1 not his job. 2 it was sorted out with his input. If you think two years is enough time to sort out a woefully inept scouting network, I’d suggest taking a look at just how poor it was. It’s not excuses, it’s reasons. Legit reasons.

 

[LoneStar]

I genuinely think the downturn in form is the players are knackered after having to press like hell all of a sudden when they didn't have to under Mourinho.

I think it is why we got a lot of injuries at once aswell, I think this will improve with fitness work over the summer plus the addition of new players.

In Ole I trust.

I feel the same way. The only thing is I find his substitutions a bit wierd and uninspired, but hopefully he’ll improve on that.

This is why I feel we should give him a full pre season and a good healthy summer transfer budget, before we judge him. Having said that, I would be a lot more comfortable and confident if this was done under a DoF rather than placing the entire responsibility on Ole.

He says all the right things in press conferences, but if we start the next season with the likes of Lingard, Young and Lukaku, I would start seriously questioning him, time will tell I suppose.

 

[Bestietom]

Klopp and Guardiola got their time to build their teams. For god's sake let's give Ole one transfer window at least before we want him out the door. This forum is getting worse for wanting managers sacked after a few bad results.

 

[Feed Me]

Klopp and Guardiola got their time to build their teams. For god's sake let's give Ole one transfer window at least before we want him out the door. This forum is getting worse for wanting managers sacked after a few bad results.

You can't blame people on here for having zero faith in the club making competent decisions.

 

[edgar allan]

We do know Ole is a sensible guy, so I think he knows that. I don't think he can afford to walk around like he owns the place saying everything he thinks or feels, but I do think he is one of the more sensible characters to come out of this club, probably why SAF loves him.

Ole is in a bit of a pickle. He got the job on the basis that Mourinho were underperforming with the players at his disposal. At the least, that narrative was a contributing factor. His application for the job consisted of good football and he delivered not only that but results. The idea that these players had a level in them we never saw before really did confirm the previous narrative, and with all the added benefits it landed him the job. Ole came in and changed the narrative completely.

These players are now good enough. I'm sure Ed believed. Ed looked for the advised solution, the right one as I don't think he has no idea about football. Before Ole came in, we all really knew we needed to fresh up a lot or even rebuild most of the squad not only due to lack of quality but also due to a few ageing players, contracts running down etc. Ed wasting windows leads me to believe he thinks he is just very unlucky with appointing managers, and puts all the blame on them, and his only weak decision is appointing them. I don't think he realises that wholesale changes sometimes are needed, or at least big changes. Likely the same will happen with Ole. Some new narrative or scenario will appear in a year that makes it all about his flaws and weaknesses and less about our continuous problems.

Ole got the job of the narrative that the squad is almost good enough, and he is the man to make the most of it. He will have to face the pressure of being held to that expectation most likely, both from the CEO, players and fans. If he is to change the fortunes of this club, he will have to change this narrative some way, slowly down the road because if he doesn't he'll not make it. We all know the changes needed run deeper than a few big money signings at this point. He'll talk his talk to keep Ed happy and gently make him realise it is a process. Sad thing is Ed has heard that "process" word before and is probably suspect of everything that has to do with time at this point, so If Ed doesn't fully believe in him his qualities or lack of doesn't matter in the slightest. I think he'll likely believe for a bit longer then flip flop when a narrative arrives.

Thats an excellent analysis

 

[Chairman Steve]

I think the fact in early OGS games, we did look more exciting with hard pressing and had more attacking in our play... but every time at the 60-70 minute mark of a game everyone looked knackered and we were open to attack. I think the approach was scaled back a bit after they found that out.

Then we had that freak of nature blitz of injuries around the Liverpool game, and it was seemingly then completely put on hold and probably rightly so, since we had discovered at that point that we had a decent shout of making 4th or even 3rd.

Not to mention we’re at the end of the season now and fatigue will be a factor regardless. We do have squad depth but it’s useless because a lot of them want to go, don’t fit the style of play or straight up just not good enough... and we have a few players who have contract issues which undoubtedly resonates throughout the squad since they all talk to eachother and therefore it creates an atmosphere of uncertainty.

 

[devilish]

1 not his job. 2 it was sorted out with his input. If you think two years is enough time to sort out a woefully inept scouting network, I’d suggest taking a look at just how poor it was. It’s not excuses, it’s reasons. Legit reasons.

He is a manager at a club were there is no DOF, a role Mou liked. Of course its his responsibility

 

[Bestietom]

I hope he proves to everyone that it was not a mistake. His first transfer window is coming up and I am patiently waiting to see the type of player he brings in. This will give us all an idea if we are heading in the right direction.

 

[JohnnyKills]

The biggest worry is his obsession with Fergie and the past. Every time he calls Fergie 'the Gaffer' or comes up with a sentimental gesture like training at The Cliff, he sounds less likely to succeed.

 

[Xaviesta]

The biggest worry is his obsession with Fergie and the past. Every time he calls Fergie 'the Gaffer' or comes up with a sentimental gesture like training at The Cliff, he sounds less likely to succeed.

Maybe this is where Solskjaer might have benefited from having a successful career at United under multiple managers.

 

[Sky1981]

I hope he proves to everyone that it was not a mistake. His first transfer window is coming up and I am patiently waiting to see the type of player he brings in. This will give us all an idea if we are heading in the right direction.

My feeling is that he'll follow saf route of young english players. Which i dont think will bode well. I really dont see him as the type who has the guts to sanction a 150m marquee signing

 

[Bestietom]

My feeling is that he'll follow saf route of young english players. Which i dont think will bode well. I really dont see him as the type who has the guts to sanction a 150m marquee signing

Don't think we need these Marquee signings. We need good honest players who will play for the badge and not their bank accounts.

 

[RuudTom83]

The board must see the way things have been run since SAF and Gill left has been a disaster.

The pressure on Ole next season will be immense, and the board should control that expectation and support him 110%.

Even if results dip, like they have under every manager, the club should remain strong and remain focused on a long term plan.

Getting someone into the club that can oversee the next few years is so important, but so far nothing has been released to suggest that person is close to being employed.

 

[Minimalist]

38 thread pages on an argument (for or against) nobody can really draw a conclusion on until next season.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

38 thread pages on an argument (for or against) nobody can really draw a conclusion on until next season.

True. Hopefully they (OGS + coaches) are able to improve the fitness during the preseason and able to teach the team to pass and move.

 

[Sky1981]

Don't think we need these Marquee signings. We need good honest players who will play for the badge and not their bank accounts.

Those that plays hard probably didnt have the talent, which is why they need to work harder.

It's very easy to find, most championship player would give their all if we come knocking, problem is are they good enough?

We need to stop living in the bubble that everyone loves united. What we should do is not curbing the salary, give them what they want as long as they're worth it. But we do seems to lack the stick part of the bargain. We need to be stricter with contracts. For example you get paid more but shorter contract, perform well and you'll get rewarded. Not performing well should be rewarded with jeers, rotten egg, and bench. We shouldn't be afraid to bench players like pogba just as we shouldnt refrain from paying them mega salary.

What we have at the moment is full carrot but not enough stick. You can play a stinker after signing a new contracr like martial and our fans would still applaud him the next time he plays, this should stop imho. Applause should be earnt, applausing shit on a stick performance would only brings complacency

 

[MisterLupus]

I'm not expecting immediate titles, in fact I'm ready to wait for another 6 years for us to compete properly but things have to improve first. If our problems aren't getting fixed then there is no point in giving time to a manager.

All the crap that you have typed was said for Mourinho also, how he needs time and support and his own team and all that crap. Mourinho wasn't just up to it, he wasn't coaching and putting things correct he was just winging it pinning blames on the players and the board.

If a manager cannot get a squad to pass and move and press decently especially a team which was do crap at it, then the manager is incompetent. There is no point in sticking by him just because we made a mistake and appointed him.

Answer me honestly, if we hadn't appointed Solksjaer, would you give him the manager role after his horrible run or would you wait until the end of the season?

Mourinho won us titles and got us second place last year. I don't like the man at all but he wasn't just a flop - he added something to our history at least. And so what if the same was said for Mourinho? The same has probably been said for every manager to ever have lived both successful ones and not when people have been too eager to dismiss them - because you don't go around hiring and firing people every six months looking for the ultimate quick-fix unless you're absolutely oblivious both to how humans and the world in general works plus also something of both a spaz and a dick. Treating your employees as disposable to that degree is just bad all over and shows not only a lack of class but also a lack of understanding.

And yeah I would have given Solskjær the job under these circumstances - especially if we win two of these last three games and end up at seventy points (I'm not expecting much against Chelsea). We've pretty much salvaged what can be salvaged from this season already given the total mess we were in - so that would be quite the achievement. Also I'm not holding him responsible for anything going on as of now for reasons already stated both by me and others - arguments you are just "conveniently" avoiding while repeating your same thoughtless objections over and over. I don't obsess over bad runs either by the way I try to see the full picture and dig into the circumstances surrounding them not just focusing on the results. So yeah based on what's going on so far I'd say he's earned it.

You know who was manager last this happened by the way? When we suffered as badly as this? Sir Matt Busby. The following year in 1963 we went on to win the FA cup under him and then we finished second - before winning the league again in 1965 and 1967 then becoming the first English team to conquer Europe in 1968. Pretty happy all of them I bet they didn't have social media back then. I'm not saying Solskjær will achieve all this - or even anything at all for that matter - it is just one of many examples I have (already mentioned both Ferguson and Klopp too) as to why reacting in the manner some of you do this early on and under these circumstances shows a complete lack of both historicity and perspective - and why it displays an exaggerated sense of entitlement, hysteria and flimsiness on your behalf serving only to degrade this club.

Hell even some Liverpool supporters I speak with are more sympathetic and understanding towards our situation than you lot are - so... Yeah that says pretty much all that needs saying.

 

[Shark]

His team selections have been gash for ages now. It’s as if he’s just picking players for the sake of it, very very worrying.

 

[Suvvernmanc]

Young, Matic, Mata, Bailly and Lukaku alk starting today. I'm losing my faith in Ole. I am astounded that these players are starting today when they are our worst players by far.

 

[Minimalist]

His team selections have been gash for ages now. It’s as if he’s just picking players for the sake of it, very very worrying.

Does seem like he's just trying to test all his players to get a feel for who should be kept. Only explanation I can come up with seeing the likes of Bailly back in there.

I mean that makes sense rather than him just thrown darts at a board and randomly selecting players.

 

[DatIrishFella]

He has some much garbage at the club that I have faith he'll eventually become a success.

Five signings in the summer and we'll be fine.

Koulibaly
Wan-Bissaka
Ruben Neves
Ndombele
Sancho

Shouldnt cost more that 350m ..

 

[wolvored]

A manager is only as good as his scouting network, and ours was shit. Its been sorted now, but it will take awhile to bare any fruit. Bailly started off very well. It was only after he got injured that he turned to shit. The opposite is true of Lindelof. Started off poor and has finally adapted well. I really dont see the issue with wanting to replace smalling, jones, rojo. Especially when one of them is almost never fit, and the another is made of glass. Sanchez was a top player that everyone wanted here. So its not like anyone saw how poor he was going to be for us. Lukaku grabbed us a lot of goals in his first year. Not pretty, but he did his job. Dalot is only 19 but shows a lot of promise and spirit. Fred and miki I dont get. In fact I dont get them so much Ive questioned if they were his choices at all. Willian and perisic are great(as you say short term) if youre looking to move on mata and lingard. Which he probably was. Lingard is very limited, and matas best position has been mostly phased out of the game, and hes shit on that wing. We've needed right winger for years, and willian could have done a job for us.

My point is, he did make mistakes, but they werent glaring mistakes. He obviously wanted that defence taken care of so that he could do something other than part the bus. It didnt work out, and when he tried to fix it, someone who doesnt know a thing about the game said no. So he stopped playing the park the bus football to show what he was talking about, and of course we turned to shit. As soon as woody gave him that contract he should have back him. He should have backed him until the wheels came off. Maybe if he had been backed as he wanted, we wouldnt be where we are, and liverpool might not be in with a shout of winning the league. 2nd place last year, europa league winners the year before and know we are struggling to get sixth.

As for the wasted money, thats all on woody and his team of knobends. How they got to where they are, doing deals like they have is a mystery to me. Giving lingard a 100 grand a week. Felliani 100 grand. A well past it rooney 350 grand a week. Contracts for those who should be on their way out. The list goes on and on.

And one last thing on pep, then Im done, promise. That guy tried to get rid of augero. Imagine just how fecking stupid you need to be to try to get rid of a current club legend who still has loads of goals in him and inspires the rest of the team. Pep walked into an already well running squad. He didnt really have anything to fix and what he did fix wasnt broken. The goal keeper, yes. But everything else wasnt fecked up like it was here for jose. Jose had a full rebuild on his hands. Pep once again took charge of an already established team and tweaked it. Swap the managers around and the team results would be the same, only pep would be sacked and jose would be winning the league yet again.

It was Mou who wanted Fellaini to stay when he wanted to leave and the club wasnt stopping him. He must have urged the board to pay him what he wanted. In fact I dont believe the lesser lights signings are initiated by the board/woody. A 'galactico' maybe.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Young, Matic, Mata, Bailly and Lukaku alk starting today. I'm losing my faith in Ole. I am astounded that these players are starting today when they are our worst players by far.

Who's he supposed to pick then?

At least wait to see how the game goes before the meltdown begins

 

[soapythecat]

Klopp and Guardiola got their time to build their teams. For god's sake let's give Ole one transfer window at least before we want him out the door. This forum is getting worse for wanting managers sacked after a few bad results.

Of course they did because they had proven track records of winning trophies, or in Klopp's case producing good football and reaching a few finals. What has Ole done to earn the trust to build a team? He has no get out when things don't go well following a summer of spending - that's the problem.