Not Ole's fault. He has to work with a bunch of quitters, charlatans or overrated-mediocre jokers.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Draw with Huddersfield and get beaten 2-0 at OT by another relegated team.
This is nowhere near good enough and is unacceptable.
We appointed him too early and now everyone realises he is not the answer.
We will waste more millions in the summer buying brass for the price of gold.
It's a dire mess.
This is nowhere near good enough and is unacceptable.
We appointed him too early and now everyone realises he is not the answer.
We will waste more millions in the summer buying brass for the price of gold.
It's a dire mess.
The problems at the club run deeper than Ole but I am not convinced at all that he's part of the solution. We need to get a proper DoF who can set out a strategy for the team and have a vision of what type of players we should recruit. Either that or a coach that has proven himself somewhere else and who brings a clear vision. Poch being the easy name to drop here.
Everything is just a bloated mess as it is right now.
Everything is just a bloated mess as it is right now.
Ok, so you think Moyes should have been given the season? Or were we right to spot it early and sack?
He didn't even have a chance to build his own squad for feck sake, the mess he got are all from the previous managers. Remember in December, our season is already over, no one expect us to fight for top 4. None, nil, no one, because we are already totally fecked up before Ole came.
I am slightly worried by this. The only thing i'll say is, is that we haven't really got many options at CB really so one of Jones or Smalling is going to play for that reason. The one that i can't forgive him for is Young. He consistently plays him, and he's consistently one of our worst players every time he plays.
The thing that worries me, is that i'm not sure whether Ole has it in him to do what needs to be done and be ruthless. He talks a good game, but not sure whether he's gonna put that into practice. We simply can't go into next season with Jones, Smalling and Ashley-fecking-Young lining up next to each other. Simply can't happen.
Moyes was given a summer to build his own squad, and a full season, until we are mathematically unable to finish top 4, then he got the sack.
Ole, when he takes over midway through the season, we were 11 points behind top 4, our seasons is over, and we are a club in a mess.
His post match quotes
"Everyone has the summer off but we have to come back with a different mentality and different attitude of being a Man United team."
“The last couple of months have been extremely hard for the team and for the club and for the players. More or less the only positive from today is that the season is over. We meet again 1 July and we’ll work back to where we belong.”
"Alexis has a contract with us, and when we come back on July 1st we can have another chat.”
You don't even realise how much of a mess we're in, don't think we make top 6 next season.
"Everyone has the summer off but we have to come back with a different mentality and different attitude of being a Man United team."
“The last couple of months have been extremely hard for the team and for the club and for the players. More or less the only positive from today is that the season is over. We meet again 1 July and we’ll work back to where we belong.”
"Alexis has a contract with us, and when we come back on July 1st we can have another chat.”
You don't even realise how much of a mess we're in, don't think we make top 6 next season.
Back the manager. We’ve had shit for over 5 years. That 2 months with him was the best we’ve ever had in the last 5 years. Ole deserves far far better and much more time. The league is crap bar city and Liverpool we need to get the right players in and we can be respected again
He doesn’t need to build his own squad to beat freaking Huddersfield, Cardiff, or to not get humilliated by freaking Everton.
Stop making excuses for him, that argument of “we should let him build his own squad” is pure shit, we should beat relegated teams even with squad players, he is a SHIT manager.
I want him here to at least get rid of some players. Another new manager would yet again want to have a look at them. The same old vicious circle. Then it is down to if he has a style of play ready to go and can get the players he has at his disposal to buy into it and can get them to a high standard of fitness.
2 wins in 12 games. 5 games without win in PL. But it's the players....
So everyone is unhappy? Or let just say, most are happy.
That's a fair take although Pochettino is unrealistic. I'm not expecting much going forward with how the club is currently being being run.
He cant even beat relegated Cardiff fecking City at home for Christ sake he isnt the manager we need. We cant afford to waste another summers transfer money. We will end up outside the top 4 next season guaranteed.
Mentality, attitude can change. Lack of ability can’t. I fear we are going to do poor in the window. I have no confidence.
We never seem to identify these problems early and deal with them.
Most were yes. I wasnt. Most arent now.
Exactly... For god sake. How many people are going to slate Ole without giving him his due shot...
There is so much division here right now, but there are many threads that have taken a step back that are talking up the fact that our club is toxic and the players are downing tools again. That we need to clear the deadwood and sort out the team over a period of time, and that at least with Ole, as a club legend, he would have so much goodwill with the fans. For god sake, let's extend that goodwill to at least one transfer window before we chuck him in the bin with all the others.
How about waiting two months and see how many players we have moved on and what sort of players are coming in? How about reviewing after the pre-season and seeing how the team functions when he has SIGNIFICANT time to coach HIS ideas into the team and has all HIS players available.
I fully believe that the fast press we did for 10 or so games caught up with our players. At the same time we had a number of players who were intent on leaving, a number intent on walking around the pitch and the injuries caught up with everyone. There are no doubt some toxic elements in the dressing room, and lets face it a lot of the toxicity could be expected - everyone in there feels underpaid when they look across and see Sanchez milking the club dry for no return. There are many things that the club must help Ole with - he can't do it alone.
Give him a chance to be judged on his merits, not the shitshow he inherited.
He won some, he loss some. At the end of day, we end up season with smaller gap to top 4 than before he took over.
Yeah, I don't see it either. Mayb if we paid him a massive wage and promised him something like 250 million pounds this summer. I doubt we'll do that, though.
At some point, we need to stop looking at whoever the manager is and start looking at the players. Some of this squad have now seen off 3 managers.
Is Ole the right man? I have my doubts but there are bigger problems right now. He needs to be backed but he’ll be on thin ice if we start season in a shaky fashion.
Yet again, Manchester United in a fecking mess. Who would have thought it could happen with owners who are such great businessmen....oh wait.
Is Ole the right man? I have my doubts but there are bigger problems right now. He needs to be backed but he’ll be on thin ice if we start season in a shaky fashion.
Yet again, Manchester United in a fecking mess. Who would have thought it could happen with owners who are such great businessmen....oh wait.
Back, sack or crack?
Ok, so you’re saying that should Ole not mathematically get us into the top 4 next season, he should be sacked?
Because I think what many are arguing on this forum are that it’s almost a certainty he’s not a good enough manager to achieve that and we should be trying to save a year of stagnation right now and going for a more experienced manager.
What’s the point in gambling with an inexperienced manager in our most crucial time in 30 odd years ?
Did the players not take part in the last 12 matches?
Sack him.
Every manager has stengths and weaknesses. Ole is just a novice who has no strengths other than speaking about SAF.
Some managers has a specific system which is one of the best but cannot get the best out of already available players who cannot fit into it. They slowly buy, train and build the team to their system. They give success if they implement their system successfully.
Some experienced managers are very good at adapting to available players and get the best out of them by tweeking their tactics and can give short term success as well.
OGS is neither. Does he even have a system which is proven to be good? Has he ever built a squad which is good enough? He was a good appointment to take the negativity out of the club when Mourinho was sacked. Now to do a full rebuild, he is just a novice. We cannot attract good players with him as a manager.
I would even feel confidant with Brendan Rogers to be our manager than OGS. That says it all. Ole is going no where(just now Phelan being appointed as Assistant Manager for 3 years, points to it) because of incompetent Ed but I can see him being sacked before the end of next season.
Every manager has stengths and weaknesses. Ole is just a novice who has no strengths other than speaking about SAF.
Some managers has a specific system which is one of the best but cannot get the best out of already available players who cannot fit into it. They slowly buy, train and build the team to their system. They give success if they implement their system successfully.
Some experienced managers are very good at adapting to available players and get the best out of them by tweeking their tactics and can give short term success as well.
OGS is neither. Does he even have a system which is proven to be good? Has he ever built a squad which is good enough? He was a good appointment to take the negativity out of the club when Mourinho was sacked. Now to do a full rebuild, he is just a novice. We cannot attract good players with him as a manager.
I would even feel confidant with Brendan Rogers to be our manager than OGS. That says it all. Ole is going no where(just now Phelan being appointed as Assistant Manager for 3 years, points to it) because of incompetent Ed but I can see him being sacked before the end of next season.
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True, though Woodward is a more appropriate target IMO, and he's gone for him on a few occasions this season. The Glazers are generally hands-off, and if the club is running smoothly then that is not a bad thing. Do we want them more involved and to turnover staff more rapidly like Abramovich has done at Chelsea? Personally, I'd rather they remained distant as they're not really football people, they're just investors. Neville should definitely keep jabbing the wound in regards to Woodward's 6 years of failure and turmoil. Woodward wanted a technical structure around Mourinho but reportedly Mourinho didn't want it, so it's bizarre that it hasn't happened since Mourinho's exit.
If Neville goes after the Glazers, what can change there? All we can hope is that the club is sold, but that's is unlikely any time soon. Change at Woodward's level is much more plausible. If the club has listened to what Neville has said, then Woodward will take a lateral step to the commercial side and leave the football operations to a technical structure, which has yet to materialise. To me, that is all within the realms of possibility, and would be a positive step forwards.
It pains me to say this but i dont think hes good enough.
We've already cracked. He now needs a Director of Football and an opportunity to clear out this squad.
Despite my heart being so keen for Ole to succeed, I honestly think this is what is needed. I'd be interested to know but I'd wager we have one of the most inexperienced coaching teams in the PL (with Phelan probably making up about 90% of the combined experience).
Let's assess it without any emotion, this is the coaching staff Woodward believes can improve our club.
- We've hired the manager from Molde football club
- We've brought Phelan back from Central Coast Mariners
- We have let Carrick retire and become a coach
- We have promoted McKenna from the U18's
It seems clear to me Ole will persist with what he knows, which is football rooted in the past and based on the counter attack. He also criminally overrates out youngsters - hopefully I am wrong and we see a real culture shift and some serious transfer activity but he seems too buddy buddy with everyone.
If you're against anyone, fair enough you have your opinion but don't make stuff up. Moyes had a championship winning squad and we got some shit results and unless mistaken he was fired with 2 games to go. He had 2 transfer windows to improve the squad.
Eactly. Its not fair to judge him on the mess inherited from others. Like every manager out there, at least give him a summer and a season to fix it. Its the least period we could do to judge a manager. Or we can follow the Real path, sack and change the manager every 3 or 4 months.
The problem is (and i'm not even exaggerating in the slightest) that the majority have been saying this for about 5 years now and we keep sticking with them. They will be here next year, we'll have the same complaints and arguments about them next season. It's genuinely depressing.
They're a big part of the problem if we want or expect to see leadership from an experienced core in the dressing room because they aren't from a successful culture.
This won't happen and nor should it.
We need to give the guy a chance. In saying that, I believe he will be sacked in 2019. This is a massive job and requires a manager with a lot of experience.
The other issue is Woodward. He'll screw up and blame/sack the manager. He did this with LVG and Jose and he will do it with Ole. I have absolutely no doubt about it.
We're in the same boat as we were 12 months ago.
Sums up the last 6 years that.
Players aren't good enough, and a large portion of the fans (on the forum) unsure if the manager we have is the one to sort us out.
I just hope that we can 'rebuild' and not just be left with more rubbish like what happened with LVG.
We end up with a smaller gap because other top teams where shit as well, spurs have not won a game in god knows how many matches and Arsenal and Chelsea cant get a point as visitors.
Just because we were “lucky” enough to have the other teams also in a shit form does not make a case for Ole, and we are lucky the seasons over, if we completed the current season until december when Ole was appointed we would probably be outside top 8.
Fair enough. Can’t argue with that.
Why is it always players OR the manager? Why can't it be both? We surely need to get rid of some deadwood and sign better ones. But it's also painfully obvious Ole is out of his depth. I just hope that when he eventually gets sacked mid of next season, he will take Ed down with him and put immense pressure on the board. That's the most we can hope from next season I am afraid.
I find one of the best ways to judge something about your own club, is to look at how your rivals view them. Look how we view Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino for example. Compare that to our attitude towards Wenger by the end, we all wanted him to stay.
Here's what Liverpool fans think about Ole as our manager
"Please please don't sack him now. Next season could be on a par to the Moyes season for hilarity."
"I’m just worrying that they will soon realise that they’ve signed the Molde manager and they’ve got the quality that denotes. Give him a couple of years eh?"
"how the feck did he get the job permanently? It's nuts, they just don't learn!!"
"Probably the most short-sighted appointment ever."
"They'll always have Paris. #keepoleatthewheel"
"Glad the season ended when it did or he'd have got himself sacked"
"Surely they go after Poch now and sack this c*nt today"
"I hope they keep him on, they look certain for relegation next season under him."
"Hope they give the clueless c*nt 500 million. Clearly, he's a genius and just needs time and money."
"Appointed the Norwegian David Moyes,lost at home to Cardiff & still celebrating their cross town rivals winning the league."
They want us to keep him because they all know we will go nowhere with him in charge. What is wrong with some of you? This is like how we felt about Liverpool with Dalglish and Hodgson. You are accepting midtable mediocrity.
Here's what Liverpool fans think about Ole as our manager
"Please please don't sack him now. Next season could be on a par to the Moyes season for hilarity."
"I’m just worrying that they will soon realise that they’ve signed the Molde manager and they’ve got the quality that denotes. Give him a couple of years eh?"
"how the feck did he get the job permanently? It's nuts, they just don't learn!!"
"Probably the most short-sighted appointment ever."
"They'll always have Paris. #keepoleatthewheel"
"Glad the season ended when it did or he'd have got himself sacked"
"Surely they go after Poch now and sack this c*nt today"
"I hope they keep him on, they look certain for relegation next season under him."
"Hope they give the clueless c*nt 500 million. Clearly, he's a genius and just needs time and money."
"Appointed the Norwegian David Moyes,lost at home to Cardiff & still celebrating their cross town rivals winning the league."
They want us to keep him because they all know we will go nowhere with him in charge. What is wrong with some of you? This is like how we felt about Liverpool with Dalglish and Hodgson. You are accepting midtable mediocrity.
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