I think its unfair on both players to compare Veron with Carrick. I mean Carrick is a hardworking playmaker similar to Pirlo. He still need a defensive midfielder at his side but he will wear his socks off and get stuck in if its needed. Veron is the typical italian type of playmaker. His job is to create assists for others to score. If I had to compare Veron with someone I would mention Riquelme or maybe Kaka but definately not CarrickWhiteside said:
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Won't that give him bad blisters?devilish said:
Carrick is a good signing IMO. However I do think we have been overcharged on him. Now we could do with another midfield player, the so called ball winner. We should go for Mascherano then.
Would Carrick and Mascherano adequately solve our central midfield problem?
Would Carrick and Mascherano adequately solve our central midfield problem?
I would be very happy if those 2 were our transfers this summer. I am not all that bothered Torres said he wanted to stay at Madrid he would have been a great player to have but not what we needed. Problem is centre midfield and hopefully Fergie will go out and get Maschereno now and give us a season to look forward to.raven_blade2002 said:
Isn't Lampard leaving Chelsea?hyder10 said:
Absolutely, if both of them stayed fit.raven_blade2002 said:
No, we don't need someone to chase around after the ball - Smith can do that. We need someone to sit deep and start our attacks with precise passes - something neither Smith nor O'Shea is able to, and Carrick is. But most of all, we just needed to add more quality to our midfield.devilish said:
Carrick will be a good signing.
Carrick is 6'2orton2005 said:
What's all this about Carrick being a replacement for Scholes? He isn't. Carrick is a deep-lying playmaker, plain and simple. He is never going to match Scholes for goal-scoring or movement in the opposition half, he'll never have the offensive repertoire of Scholes...mainly because he is nothing like Scholes.
As has been repeatedly mentioned, Carrick is similar to Pirlo or Alonso and I think we're going to need a formation change to play he and Scholes in the same midfield. There's no way a Scholes-Carrick pairing can do the biz in a 4-4-2. Throw that right out the window.
VanNistelrater's post is spot on, except Carrick is nothing like Scholes, the rest is bang on. We need someone else in to play behind Carrick.
As has been repeatedly mentioned, Carrick is similar to Pirlo or Alonso and I think we're going to need a formation change to play he and Scholes in the same midfield. There's no way a Scholes-Carrick pairing can do the biz in a 4-4-2. Throw that right out the window.
VanNistelrater's post is spot on, except Carrick is nothing like Scholes, the rest is bang on. We need someone else in to play behind Carrick.
Smith is not a defensive midfielder and was never going to be one.djemba's arse said:
Why? He plays with Jenas for fecks sake
Ive never said that Carrick is similar to Scholes but he is his eventual replacement. Lets face it, we wont find someone like Keano whom singlehanded was able to support an all out attacking side like the treble one. Therefore we need a defensive midfielder partnered with a playmaker who is capable to tackle ie Carrick.Fortitude said:
He played also with Davids and Taino who are defensive midfielders by nature and used to share the workload.Mozza said:
The closest things to Scholes at United are Rooney and D.Jones and Gibson in the future. I think Carrick brings with him a formation change for us, he will never score anywhere near the amounts Scholes has.devilish said:
Of course he wont score the amount of goals Scholes used to scoreFortitude said:
Paul Scholes ended up in central midfield (in a 4 - 4 - 2 system) for the simple reason that we had Roy Keane who was like a one man army. No one else could have ever been able to support an all out attacking side like ours (who pride of 5 attacking minded players, which were Giggs, Scholes, Becks/Ronaldo, Cole/RVN, Yorke/Rooney). Once Keano started to grow old we had to start changing system and while Oshea did managed to do a decent job in CM (much due to the fact that Giggs can tackle) it was evident that at long term such midfield would have struggled. In few words, since there is no new Keano around we have to change system.
Won't what? What are you on about?devilish said:
Persnonally think it will be Scholes and Carrick in a 4-4-2. I also think it'll work.
so, we all agree that this is a good signing, but we payed too much, and it all depends on who he will be paired with
Here's a perfect example of what happens when you play a naturally offensive minded midfield next to a deep-lying playmaker in a 4-4-2. The rape of the dippers in the CL final first half. Any side worth its weight will maul a pairing like that. It was only stabilised when they put Hamann on, a DM, and gave him the defensive work and Alonso the ball to actually use.Trippin_Stoned said:
You can't play a deep-lyuing playmaker in a 4-4-2 unless you put another defensively minded midfielder on the wing. Examples of this are Spurs with davids on the left wing last season and Seedorf doing the same at Milan. We play with two wingers, not 3 midfielders in a 4-4-2. We'd get feckin raped with Scholes-Carrick in the middle.
Personally think that Carrick and Scholes will work, we've also got other players who put decent shifts in (Giggs, Rooney & Saha all have fantastic workrate).
Wouldn't be surprised if there were the central pairing in a 4-4-2 against Fulham.
Wouldn't be surprised if there were the central pairing in a 4-4-2 against Fulham.
You are right!Fortitude said:
Sometimes other times it was Lennon and Mido on the flanks, besides which theres never been a united team where the wingers don't track back.devilish said:
Carricks a DM, being able to pass doesn't stop him being one.Fortitude said:
Where do you get the notion Carrick is a DM from? What part of his game tells you this about him?Mozza said:
The fact that he's played there since his Westham daysFortitude said:
Mozza said:
He cant tackle very well and is not postionally good enough going backward. I have to agree with Fortitude and say he is not a defensive midfielder! He is like alonso in style and beside any alonso you need a sissoko...
I see. So where do deep-lying playmakers play?Mozza said:
What is the characteristics of a so-called defensive midfielder?
Answer the second question!Mozza said:
What's wrong with calling a midfielder a midfielder these days?
Easy tiger...tilo said:
Same place, though deep lying playmakers cant defend, Carrick canFortitude said:
Instead of giving a list imagine makelele as a 6 footer and you have the perfect DM.CnutOfAllCnuts said:
The days of your young Keano's or Robbo's, Matthaus', Effenberg are fading out. I think midfield is quite distinctively broken up into jobs now in the modern game. The likes of Gerrard, the all-round midfielder, are becoming increasingly rare.CnutOfAllCnuts said:
The sense of hurry was not intended!CnutOfAllCnuts said:
I would agree but even with gerrard his game is specialised in certain areas and liverpool try to design their play around his key strenghts which are attacking based!Fortitude said:
Wouldn't it depend on what players a player has around him determine whether the player is perfect for a spesific role?tilo said:
BollocksFortitude said:
So Carrick can defend like Makelele, Hamann, Sissoko, Gattuso, Gilberto etc, etc?Mozza said: