Don't give us hope
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Will be hard for labour to make that many gains in 5 years time. Most the racist people will still be around sadly.
It would take an unprecedented swing for them to lose this kind of majority in one G.E. and even if they do, they'll get propped up by the yellow Tories anyway.
They may never recover if the Tories use the next 5 years uncontested to propose boundary changes and subtle means to disenfranchise the poor. And they've now learned that outright lies and smears work without consequence. The only chance Labour has now is for them to shift dramatically to the right and race them to the bottom.
Feck me what a dire state of affairs.
They will utterly destroy Labour if they do
It really won’t. The next few years is going to be tough for the country and there’s nobody left for the Tories to blame.
If the party regroups and gets behind someone like Starmer then they will have every chance to destroy the Tories in 5 years time as they won’t be able to hide behind a single issue like Brexit.
Well one of 2 things tonight is sure to end. Old school labour or polling techniques.
Once is a mistake, twice is a pattern, three times is a habit.
Miliband. Corbyn. ?
Think this time, Labour. Think.
Miliband. Corbyn. ?
Think this time, Labour. Think.
I don't hold much hope of that to be honest. It's already started the blaming of everything and everyone else.
The only chance we have for the future is a real opposition.
Let’s just stick with corbynism then, never get elected and allow the Tories to decimate the country.
If the exit poll is right Brexit party has been an utterly pointless entity..
SAF
High five to you buddy. Feeling good. Im staying up all night watching the sweet taste of success
Boris and Donald compete over who will be the catalyst for the next recession... Best way to make fast £££/$$$ from the poor.
feck, sterlings shot up, my investments will be down in the morning.
I'm sorry for a lot of the guys I've been debating with over the past few weeks, you clearly believe this is the wrong thing with a real passion. I think it's just important we keep respecting the other side's opinion, don't declare them evil for holding it, keep the debates civil.
Voting system
Thing is, leftist parties get told that they have to nominate centrists while right-wing parties march further and further to the right. The end result will be an overall slide towards the right.
Looking like my constituency (Bolton North East) is gonna be a Tory gain 
Im not suggesting there would have been a labour majority in any situation but the lib dems really need to feck off as a party. They've managed to take a 52% remain population and split the vote by what seems to be a LOT of seats.
Well, if nothing else, this election makes me appreciate the Norwegian electoral system even more. Parliamentary elections every four years, full stop. There's also no way to get some massive majority of seats without actually getting an equivalent massive majority of votes.
Hear hear
That's a good sample if selected correctly.
If you don't have hope, you're hopeless
[DavidDeSchmikes, 2019, UK General Election thread]
Yep. But they'd rather lose like this with a pure candidate than compromise.
It's been clear for months that was the case. I predicted zero Brexit party seats weeks ago and got shouted at. I was right.
It's over guys, time to pack up and go home.
No it's not. If there was even a reasonably decent center candidate from the Labour they would've done very well. Instead the people have no other choice but to back the conservatives. Did anyone really think normal people would back the likes of Corbyn and Dianne Abbot? The answer is no.
But even in terms of raw votes they've got virtually none, anywhere.
The people appear to have chosen neo liberalism. Fine.
It clearly hasn't done quite enough damage for it to register with those not paying attention. I do wonder just how shit this country needs to get before it can start looking up again though.
A big part of how they managed that is because Labour were so fecking shite in the first place.
As expected to be honest. They are a joke. Farage is an utter fraud and hopefully this is the end of him
Who is this babe on itv though (not the presenter)
NI will the biggest winners if they get a Brexit with an Irish sea border.
Yeah I mean, I don’t question the accuracy. It just baffles me when there’s around 25million voters
You are wasting your time.
It's like endlessly losing, embarassingly so this time, is what they want. Personally I want a real opposition on the left.
Oh yeah, we're a basket case of a system. Not as bad as the US, but that's not saying much. There was a hope that continued volatile coalitions would persuade the big parties to move towards a support of PR, but that's out the window. Tories will now have the majority to put through boundary reforms, voter IDs, etc.
That silver lining you think you’re seeing is actually just the tin foil you covered everything in.
55 for SNP . Not good. Would rather those went to labour
. Not good. Would rather those went to labour- Status