I agree in sense as we have been crying out for a proper RW since Sir Alex but I’m not sure on that I rate Martial but Kane hits 30+ a season which I’m yet to see from Martial.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Top man. Lovely post : ) I can’t wait to get back out and see everyone again. In the meantime- Bring on Sancho! Hahaha
I didn't say we'd be affected. The major clubs should be fine recovering from this, Dortmund and ourselves being one of them.
If we genuinely aren't going to be in for Sancho now then there'll likely be a few more like this to manage expectations before we reach the window.
As a negotiating tactic it wouldn't really be logical since Sancho is just 20 years old and is on a long term contract. There's nothing forcing them to sell in this depressed market. If clubs won't pay what they want now then they'll hang on to him until the market normalises. Sadly this is probably genuine although I hope not.
And what if Sancho wants to return to England? If they refuse to sell him to hang on to him as you say, he'll just leave on a free.
They probably won't mind that if it means Sancho will stay for another 2 years. Dortmund doesn't need the money atm and they have no reason to sell unless Sancho went to strike like Dembele.
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Genuinely gutted that this one isn't likely to happen. Lad is a worldie in waiting
What happened about him agreeing personal terms with us and the sipping of the holy water,
Geez...no wonder this thread has so many posts
Geez...no wonder this thread has so many posts
That Howson guy knows as much as we do.What happened about him agreeing personal terms with us and the sipping of the holy water,
Geez...no wonder this thread has so many posts
I can't say I'm surprised that one quote from muppet Woody is enough for half of SadCafe to lose all hope and go emo.
Not looking too much into that. Yeah the current state of things will affect the market but if a player wants to be somewhere a deal will be made.
I think hes saying fees will be dramatically reduced.
People saying the Sancho transfer is dead in the water because of what Ed said are probably the same ones that complain when he says we'll do amazing things that no one else can do in the summer
This is just not true. Losing an asset for free and taking 80-90m hit is extremely bad business and no club would do that. If he wants to go and someone is ready to pay the price, he will be allowed to go.
I just find it amusing that fans out there generally thought we,and other major clubs, would be spending a crazy amount of money this summer.
The football season is in total uncertainty,much like every other major industry.
We dont have a clear time/date when life will come back to some form of normality FFS!
The football season is in total uncertainty,much like every other major industry.
We dont have a clear time/date when life will come back to some form of normality FFS!
Dortmund have put out in the press that they still want 120m and they want him to sign a new contract. This to me just reads like ‘get real’ from Woody. Transfer values will decline because many clubs can’t spend this summer. It’s not going to be a sellers market.
Which would make sense. I'm sure we will still be in for him.
Dortmund once refused to sell Lewandowski despite received many offers and clearly have no problem to even let him walked away for free.
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And learnt a stark lesson from it. They are a selling club.
Are they? the only thing they have learned was to never put a low buyout clause again on their players after the Goetze saga.
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Thing is I don't think Dortmund will "cash in" if fees are generally lower and if I recall they want to hold on to more players now they're much better off financially. Probably wait another year and if any large country is going to get football going while others struggle it's Germany so it could work out for him to stay another year.
I’ve been watching this thread for a while now. Taken into consideration many different views you all have posted so far.
Add to that Woodward’s comments and here’s my take on the SANCHO deal.
I think Woodward has had enough time to see that the financial effects of this ongoing pandemic have been alarmingly negative for ALL clubs including the mighty ones (which he may not have been sure about but probably has more knowledge of now).
Hence, for starters, it will be close to impossible for any club to be able to afford SANCHO this summer. That is not to say that’s it’s impossible but in simple terms, most clubs will likely not spend the sum required to buy him, all on one player.
Let’s say there could be a club that would be willing to spend there entire (now reduced) summer transfer budget on one player, it would probably be just us. Specially keeping in mind a clubs need to fill that specific position (RW), while not ignoring other positions. Hence, if we compare us to our competitors who are also vying for SANCHO (Chelsea, Liverpool), we seem most likely to be able to succeed with just signing him (in the short term and) this summer. Liverpool would rather invest in other positions, or preferably save these funds due to the pandemic as they’re more than Ok in the RW position. Chelsea too, are worse off than us in terms (multiple) major signings needed in the short term, than just being able to survive next season with SANCHO.
Therefore, I believe that Ed is trying to tactically indicate to Dortmund that we are still interested but not at the previously stated price. The deal will most likely get done but will be dragged through to the later stages of the window, specially if other clubs continue to not show any interest, and at a price most likely lower than or at, 100 mil, as compared to 120-150 that has been previously stated.
It is understandable that Dortmund would be happy keeping him for another year or two but what many of us don’t realize is that this pandemic will have hurt German soccer way worse than EPL, once we are able to get back to normality.
Dortmund is certainly in a much worse position financially and will not benefit much by keeping him longer, in my opinion. They would have to offer him a new contract which will technically mean higher wages for the next few years, as compared to selling him now and receiving money, rather than spending.
Furthermore, if SANCHO does want to leave Germany and come back to England, he will not want to risk renewing a contract whereby it could be tougher for him to leave in the next couple years if clubs can’t stump up the funds to buy him. Which by the way, will still be at least 100 mil or more if he keeps improving at his currently unworldly pace, for his age. Hence, in the long run, it won’t make much positive difference, if any, to Dortmund financially by keeping him a while longer.
In the case that SANCHO does not renew his contract, Dortmund would again, much rather sell him now than receive less next year, while also having spent another year worth on wages.
To conclude, my hopes of us signing SANCHO are still very much alive. I only see the current comments from our club as an indication to Dortmund that we’re probably the only club genuinely interested going forward and we will not be bullied into paying a price that should now be lower due to the pandemic.
The comments are also a hint to us fans not to read too much into the papers and expect multiple signings.
Add to that Woodward’s comments and here’s my take on the SANCHO deal.
I think Woodward has had enough time to see that the financial effects of this ongoing pandemic have been alarmingly negative for ALL clubs including the mighty ones (which he may not have been sure about but probably has more knowledge of now).
Hence, for starters, it will be close to impossible for any club to be able to afford SANCHO this summer. That is not to say that’s it’s impossible but in simple terms, most clubs will likely not spend the sum required to buy him, all on one player.
Let’s say there could be a club that would be willing to spend there entire (now reduced) summer transfer budget on one player, it would probably be just us. Specially keeping in mind a clubs need to fill that specific position (RW), while not ignoring other positions. Hence, if we compare us to our competitors who are also vying for SANCHO (Chelsea, Liverpool), we seem most likely to be able to succeed with just signing him (in the short term and) this summer. Liverpool would rather invest in other positions, or preferably save these funds due to the pandemic as they’re more than Ok in the RW position. Chelsea too, are worse off than us in terms (multiple) major signings needed in the short term, than just being able to survive next season with SANCHO.
Therefore, I believe that Ed is trying to tactically indicate to Dortmund that we are still interested but not at the previously stated price. The deal will most likely get done but will be dragged through to the later stages of the window, specially if other clubs continue to not show any interest, and at a price most likely lower than or at, 100 mil, as compared to 120-150 that has been previously stated.
It is understandable that Dortmund would be happy keeping him for another year or two but what many of us don’t realize is that this pandemic will have hurt German soccer way worse than EPL, once we are able to get back to normality.
Dortmund is certainly in a much worse position financially and will not benefit much by keeping him longer, in my opinion. They would have to offer him a new contract which will technically mean higher wages for the next few years, as compared to selling him now and receiving money, rather than spending.
Furthermore, if SANCHO does want to leave Germany and come back to England, he will not want to risk renewing a contract whereby it could be tougher for him to leave in the next couple years if clubs can’t stump up the funds to buy him. Which by the way, will still be at least 100 mil or more if he keeps improving at his currently unworldly pace, for his age. Hence, in the long run, it won’t make much positive difference, if any, to Dortmund financially by keeping him a while longer.
In the case that SANCHO does not renew his contract, Dortmund would again, much rather sell him now than receive less next year, while also having spent another year worth on wages.
To conclude, my hopes of us signing SANCHO are still very much alive. I only see the current comments from our club as an indication to Dortmund that we’re probably the only club genuinely interested going forward and we will not be bullied into paying a price that should now be lower due to the pandemic.
The comments are also a hint to us fans not to read too much into the papers and expect multiple signings.
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I agree. My initial thought was that we might prefer spreading the funds in the current market. But we dont need many players. We need a really good attacker. A right winger.
Dortmund, on the other hand, would typically be interested in being in a good position to exploit the current market. They often operate in a different market than what we typically do. £70-80 mill might get them 3-4 players that would have cost them £120-150 mill last summer. Selling Sancho might give them a chance to buy four players that would have been much more difficult a year ago, even if they got much more money for Sancho. So they too could have a strong incentive to get a deal done (and probably a bit early).
The only incentive I can see is for Dortmund to guarantee a certain fee if he doesn't extend his contract.
Imo, it's all about cash. Even if we sign him for £100m this summer(I doubt), I expect the deal to involve a very small down payment like Arsenal did with Pepe. I read we put as much as 60% of the fee for Maguire as the first installment. No way that's is happening now imo. Not sure how that helps Dortmund.
It's all speculation and no one really knows our financial situation but I really can't see this deal happening.
I agree with you about this being related to upfront cash.
However, if Dortmund do actually need this sale to happen so they can use these funds for whatever reason (that may have now become necessary due to the pandemic), I believe they would be content with receiving a (half or majority) portion of the fee up front even if not the entire amount. Woodward’s comments about sums not reaching or crossing 100 mil is a direct indication that up front fees will not be reaching such amounts.
Moreover, I don’t watch Dortmund enough to say they need 3/4 players but I think they were also one of the teams interested in Bellingham and may see this as a good opportunity to use the SANCHO funds to buy him and make a profit on another young (English) up and coming lad in the near future like they have done by investing in SANCHO (and Haaland as well).
The aforementioned funds needed to buy Bellingham for instance, may not be available to Dortmund if they don’t sell SANCHO.
Furthermore, they may also see this as a good opportune moment to snap up Bellingham knowing competition will now be very little to none for him going forward, specially if we (United) will now not be able to afford both him and SANCHO. Since we were one of the major interested parties for both these players.
Dortmund must have a grand majority of their revenue from matchday and player sales? I hope it's only posturing from their side and that they'll accept 70-80m once football resumes.
I think it's fair to say that most transfer fees keep going down some percentage by each passing week.
I think it's fair to say that most transfer fees keep going down some percentage by each passing week.
This is why we should grab the opportunity this window presents with both hands.
Feck whatever bad press we get, we do enough for charity anyway.
Any business buys when the price is right and the opportunity arises.
Manchester United are not going out of business anytime soon, if it were me sitting in Ed’s chair I would use this window as a shortcut to overspend above our planned limit and buy a load of our long term targets in one fell swoop.
Whatever we overspend this window we can recoup by spending less the following window.
Then by selling deadwood for cheap if need be.
Hell I’d even break FFP rules as they are going to be relaxed anyway.
This is a real world scenario in which ‘big’ companies can become the biggest in their sector overnight if the circumstances are right, I believe they could be for United.
We won't break FFP rules unless we buy 20 Messis. But I agree that buying BIG this window (5-6 good players) and then not buying for a couple of windows would make most sense financially. Similarly to what Liverpool have done.
The downside is that no one will want to give us more than peanuts for Lingard, Jones, Rojo, Pereira, Mata, Sanchez, Matic etc. So the squad will be really bloated for a while.
The downside is that no one will want to give us more than peanuts for Lingard, Jones, Rojo, Pereira, Mata, Sanchez, Matic etc. So the squad will be really bloated for a while.
In light of what Ed has said it’s pretty obvious Sancho won’t be coming yet. We could always do what PSG and Monaco did for Mbappé and go for a loan with an obligation to buy next summer at full asking price but we all know that won’t happen. I think now the only 2 signings we will make is Grealish and Bellingham.
I think it's pretty obvious it means Woodward will haggle the price down until the future transfer window closes. The longer we wait, the cheaper players will become.
We might try to work out a staggered payment deal, perhaps with the final figure reaching the original figure but over a couple of years.
We might also drop the idea of going for Grealish and keep pogba instead, while trying to squeeze out as much as possible from player sales.
Getting 20 million plus for dalot would be an amazing start.
We might also drop the idea of going for Grealish and keep pogba instead, while trying to squeeze out as much as possible from player sales.
Getting 20 million plus for dalot would be an amazing start.
They'll sell him this summer. Let's keep in mind that United have been touted as potentially the only club to come out of this crisis being largely unaffected due to commercial wealth.
There will be a whole host of clubs looking to sell their star players to us, to the tune of £100m, in order to bail their club out of the shit they're in over one swift transfer, and not multiple sells.
Woody has simply let everyone know that they can think again if they think we're going to pay last season's prices for anyone.
There will be a whole host of clubs looking to sell their star players to us, to the tune of £100m, in order to bail their club out of the shit they're in over one swift transfer, and not multiple sells.
Woody has simply let everyone know that they can think again if they think we're going to pay last season's prices for anyone.
Dortmund aren't in a strong position to negotiate if they can't tie Sancho a contract extension since his value will only going to depreciate after the summer given his current contract runs out in 2022.
Yeah, it could be 50m now or 25m next summer, thats how much it seems the market has fallen.
Who can even afford 50m these days? Dortmund could well be in a hole as well. Their buy to sell at a profot strat is probably in tatters in this market
He's got years left on his contract.
Will be interesting to see just how much the market is affected. I think 65m upfront and 20m in achievable bonuses would be a good deal for Dortmund.
How many years
He didn't extend. He got a pay rise though.
I can see clubs look to hold onto players who are on relatively low wages unless they are desperate for cash to stay afloat. I can see some top earners perhaps move if their current clubs struggle financially. I can see the reduction is prices as well as sign on and wages. I'm dreaming of the removal of agents so they don't take their cut but that's a pipe dream.
I honestly don't see Dortmund crumbling under financial pressure like some on here seem to be anticipating. They're a pretty tight run ship and the Bundesliga is likely to return to normal long before the premier League does since their outbreak has been more successfully contained.
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