what I understand is one of us works in the business, and the other doesn't
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Maybe not a fleece, but it is 25 year old, 5 years of consistent world class output, proven injury track record, pitch leadership, walk into the PL, impact in the CL, kinda money. Let’s not forget Sancho has tremendous potential, maybe even a generational talent, but since he’s young he doesn’t have a track record as a top 25 player in the world. Yet that’s how Dortmund are valuing him in this depressed economy.
Is he worth it, probably. Do I want to see him in our shirt, definitely. Is it a risky purchase, absolutely, given how many other players with massive potential haven’t worked out on the PL stage. If we weren’t being cautious and negotiating hard I’d be seriously concerned about this club.
I understand that plenty on here hate Ed but a pay cut.
who agree the final figure? I understood that was still woodward? but Judge is clearly a tool too...
Yeah nothing you’ve said has anything to do with what I wrote.
But you won't pay a 108m for the proven 25 years old version. That version will cost you more than Mbappé did, which is +180m€.
The Mail carrying the same story
If it’s about reduced wages then that’s coming from the Glazers not Woody. It’s their money after all and they’ve taken a hit too in this crisis
Wasnt it widely reported that he's on about 6m€ per year at Dortmund? Where does the idea that 190k£ per week would be equal/less pay come from?
To be fair he’s being smart and mature by not doing that. He knows of our interest, he knows his club wants to sell. Interfering with that process would hurt his value.
Think your timeline is knackered. You're paying £180m-£200m for the kind of player you're referring to.
This is done and dusted. Just some posturing going on.
From a press that really struggles with Euros and Pound Sterlings conversions?
I just happen to know a bit more about some of the reporters than you do... some are not even close to as bad as some people here think. Some, who you might tend to trust a bit more, don't always deserve that
Possibly so, but even if conversion rate was 1:1, it would still equal about 120k£ per week.
This is what a lot of posters around here are simply ignoring for some reason. No way we should be held to ransom by them. Pre covid he was worth what they want but now he's not, so paying over the odds for him is stupid. They are asking for a guaranteed 120M which is simply unrealistic.
As if we're asking a young player who's price tag is 100m+ to take a feckin pay-cut
They also mix up net and gross. When it comes to these things the british press is the least trustworthy.
Agreed.
Ziyech moves from Eresdivisie at 27. Why should he be more expensive than €40m? even though it was probably a good deal still.
Werner had a release clause I think, so quite difficult to compare.
Havertz hasn't signed for Chelsea yet, so we don't know his price. If it ends up bein €80m as quoted, I think it's fair in relation to what Sancho is priced at.
Speculation about Mbappés price is just that. Speculation. The fact is that he cost a feckton because he deserved it as the best talent in a very long time, with oil rich PSG at the other end. Was he worth that? I don't know.
Ever since Ronaldo left for Real Madrid I've struggled to wrap my head around transfer fees. I can't relate it to anything, and now good players cost the same as a small country's GDP.
How normal people can estimate players value every single window baffles me, to be honest. Every season is the same.
"He's not worth €60m, he's a €45m player max"
"€120m for Sancho? We should stop at €80m"
"We can totally get £20m for Jesse Lingard"
I mean, how do people know this? Is it maths and calculations? Is it incredible insights into clubs finances, market values, estimated income as a result of the transfer, etc?
Or is it what I suspect it to be; they really have no fecking clue about value, prices, income generated or anything at all, they just want to have an opinion about stuff without being even near qualified enough to have a valid opinion at all?
Player values/prices increase year by year, every year breaking new records or adjusting the relationship between skill/talent and value. 2020 is different to 2019. As 2019 is different to 2018. Tonnes of factors have to be considered, such as age, talent, history, fitness, marketability, needs, supply, demand, etc.
Yet, we, the fans, all seem to know what a player is worth. Every single year.
Disclaimer: I'm probably as guilty as anyone about guesstimating player value.
This is what I was getting at. Lot of confusion about possible wages that doesnt quite add up, so taking the reports about a possible wage cut with a respectably sized pinch of salt.
It doesn't? Those are sensible figures that went shortly pre covid19, during the inflated market period... those prices would still be deemed sensible during this pandemic.
Take Fernandes for example, he was bought before the pandemic for €50m ish and add-ons, only for Sporting president to come out and say he would have cost us even less during the pandemic.
I agree that Dortmund are one of the wealthier selling clubs but pandemic has stricken them hard as well. They're one of the clubs that are losing the most money due to lack of fans in the stadium. Now they're trying to recover some of their losses by demanding a huge fee for Sancho, which is well within their rights of course.
Dortmund has the right to demand whichever fee they see fit, no issues there, i just don't want us to be the ones meeting their demands.
That is what he is saying. The price has already been adjusted to take into account the pandemic.
Mbappe was €180m two years ago.
Transfer inflation would probably have that transfer value about €210- 220m today, without Covid.
I'd say that would put Sancho at around €150-160m.
How much discount do you expect?
50%?
If you don't go to a Bentley showroom with Dacia money.
Isn't €100m + a valid reason to kick some fuss though? If he really wants to be the part of the project he should then try to influence Dortmund in some way because as things stand their demands are what's stopping him from being a part of the project.
Monaco didn't do anything for PSG, it was for themselves it helped them push the income to the next year, they already had big incomes that year and it was in their interest to have Mbappé sale on the book for longer. Always keep in mind that Monaco are an other FFP offender.
Let’s not forget only six players have ever sold for more than 108m. I don’t think a 25 year old with Sancho‘s numbers at Dortmund would command Mbappe-level numbers.
Ok, good to know but it also helped PSG as well intentionally or unintentionally idk. Helped them move Mbappe fee on the next year.
Still full faith this will get done after both teams finish their current commitments
A record fee for the Belgium league points to the fact that covid 19 has not affected their prices.
Ziyech fee was pre covid. It doesnt point to the fact there has been an affect on prices due to covid. I think thats very clear
No it hasn't!In a normal market, with full stadiums and big broadcasting contracts/sponsors, he's worth about £70m - £80m. In a COVID market, which won't recover until the 3rd quarter of 2023 he's worth about £50m - £60m
The highest transfer fee pre Neymar was about £90m for Bale to Madrid so I'm not sure where these figures are coming from. Prices only go up when there's more money in the market, they go down if no one has any.
Again, it depends entirely on the club you are talking about. How much money they have for the next 24 months, how much they rely on transfers on the short term. You are making sweeping statements that aren't true for everyone to the same extent. Sporting CP finances are terrible and the pandemic will hit them hard, that's why they would have been desperate for money even if it meant undervaluing Bruno Fernandes, that doesn't apply to Dortmund who will get hit by the lack of gate but their finances are solid, they don't start from a weak point.
And no they are not trying to recover losses by demanding a huge fee, Sancho is one of the best young players in the world and they are allegedly asking what they asked for Dembélé. That's where you really make no sense, you are trying to force a narrative that doesn't make sense. By your logic if there wasn't a pandemic, they wouldn't ask for as much money which is quite obviously wrong, they have no reason to not value Sancho the way they valued Dembélé. If anything the pandemic could have seen them undervalue Sancho and get a big immediate income, that's what you do when you really need money.
We're not living in a pre Neymar world anymore, though.
In a normal market, with full stadiums and big broadcasting contracts/sponsors, he's worth about £70m - £80m. In a COVID market, which won't recover until the 3rd quarter of 2023 he's worth about £50m - £60m
The highest transfer fee pre Neymar was about £90m for Bale to Madrid so I'm not sure where these figures are coming from. Prices only go up when there's more money in the market, they go down if no one has any.
In times where Dembele and Coutinho cost the amounts Barca had to shell out, Sancho easily a 120M player.
I find it really hard to believe that Sancho a 20 year old is on 190K per week at Dortmund. What are the likes of Reus and Hummels on like who are far more seniors and established names in football and at that club?
I have to disagree with you. Gent sold David for €25m because they knew that Lille has the money, they just sold Osimhen to Napoli so that explains that.
Exactly, Ziyech went for reasonable fee before covid19, back when transfer market was still inflated, if he stayed he would probably went for a few million less now.
Regardless of anything else coming out. Anything from that Norwegian git Keane punched, from the italian on Twitter, anything from Zorc or Dorc or Bjork...
Ultimately if it's true that Sancho is the number 1 target and the one United are giving sole focus to and throwing everything behind, then it'll get done. Basically if they're going balls-deep for him. Not sure I personally buy that line, which is why I think next Summer is more likely. But if it is true then United will pay up by October 4th and he'll come.
Of course it helped PSG but the idea that it was Monaco doing a favor to PSG is wrong, it was Monaco doing a favor to themselves because Mbappé wasn't going to extend, he would have been less expensive the next season and it was best for Monaco to that transfer in their books in 2018/2019.
Brilliant question there to be honest!Dortmund's actions actually indicate that they're desperate to sell. They've been really aggressive in trying to close the deal quickly.
What if Sancho agrees to that figure though? Remember he'll also earn significantly more with sponsorships and endorsements while at United.
Its all over, he isnt joining us, close thread.
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