Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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And what was your point about the fees?
That he's pursuing "quick fix" also. Not in Conte or Mourinho kind of level though. If we get Sancho for 120m, he'd spend 360m in just two seasons. How is it not a "quick fix"?
 

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I think the phasing of payments is what makes or breaks this deal. We simply cant risk/afford too much up front, given the upcoming uncertainty.
If we're bidding close to what Dortmund or asking or even matching the price, it means Utd will eventually find an arrangement Dortmund are happy with. Choosing to pay the more money now or later is a minor point. Utd can easily just agree to pay more now if thats what it takes and take a loan out for it if needed. I'm pretty sure there's enough funds to make this happen no matter what.
 

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This notion of "who want to play for our club" is just bogus, imho. Almost everyone wants to play for the club, if you pay him enough. And he's been buying mature players like Maguire and Bruno. He's also reportedly chasing Joshua King.

Like I said, Ole's just saying nice things about nothing. Nothing wrong with that though.
It's obvious what he talking about. Signing players who help the club in the long term, and betting on them improving. Instead of buying a finished short term fix. And his transfers till now have shown broad consistency with this philosophy. And I am guessing Sancho also qualifies as one.
 

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Feel like with the briefing there's an even chance its put out because its actually on or equally just as a face saving "we tried" sort of thing. Hope its true though, would be a massive signing if we could pull it off.
 
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Well BVB are in a very tricky situation which is that they only have 1 potential customer right now. If we genuinely dropped out of the market, they would crap themselves.

As I wrote in an earlier post, there is just too much financial risk in holding onto such a valuable asset next season. I’m also not convinced that Sancho would command a greater fee next summer or even if we’d be in for him again.

The customer is always right, so we have every right the berate the seller for obscene prices. As we’ve all said all along, brinksmanship type negotiations takes balls and is never petty or elegant.
There are lots of examples of clubs turning down big fees, and then the players’ form drops off and they end up regretting not selling at that time.

It’s a massive risk for them not to accept an offer this season.

It’s now just brinkmanship.
 

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Feel like with the briefing there's an even chance its put out because its actually on or equally just as a face saving "we tried" sort of thing. Hope its true though, would be a massive signing if we could pull it off.
Why put out a fire with gasoline?

I don't really understand this type of logic.
 

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That he's pursuing "quick fix" also. Not in Conte or Mourinho kind of level though. If we get Sancho for 120m, he'd spend 360m in just two seasons. How is it not a "quick fix"?
Quick fix normally means buying a player with a short term view. Which of his signings are short term fixes?
 

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Just pay what Dortmund want. He's on track to be one of the best in the position, we need to move now.
 

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That he's pursuing "quick fix" also. Not in Conte or Mourinho kind of level though. If we get Sancho for 120m, he'd spend 360m in just two seasons. How is it not a "quick fix"?
How do transfer fees equate to quick fix? Sancho could cost more than Hazard cost Real Madrid last year. Which is the quicker fix?
 

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Feel like the quick fix was a bit of a jibe to the Alexis Sanchez transfer. Jadon clearly isn't a quick fix but rather a long term solution.
 

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A bit confused by this "breakthrough". Weren't all of these details pretty much agreed ages ago? Fee has always seemed to be the problem and that doesn't seem to have been resolved.
 

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Feel like with the briefing there's an even chance its put out because its actually on or equally just as a face saving "we tried" sort of thing. Hope its true though, would be a massive signing if we could pull it off.
Nah I think the latter is more damaging, easier to just brief that the agent wanted too much or the figures were too big.

Plus the club have the perfect reason for not trying (because of Covid) So to let it get to this stage is always why I’ve believed we are working on it.
 

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A bit confused by this "breakthrough". Weren't all of these details pretty much agreed ages ago? Fee has always seemed to be the problem and that doesn't seem to have been resolved.
Depends if you believe Romano. I don’t, so today is a big breakthrough imo.
 

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How do transfer fees equate to quick fix? Sancho could cost more than Hazard cost Real Madrid last year. Which is the quicker fix?
You're right it's not quicker, but it's still a "quick" way. You buy Mbappe for 300m and, let say, Kimmich 200m next year (just example). Both are young. Do you think that's not a quick fix?
 

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That he's pursuing "quick fix" also. Not in Conte or Mourinho kind of level though. If we get Sancho for 120m, he'd spend 360m in just two seasons. How is it not a "quick fix"?
Depends how you define it. Gareth Bale on massive wages for 1 or 2 seasons would be a quick fix. Sancho for the next decade or so is a long-term investment.
 

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Sorry lads, I've come to the conclusion that's he's overhyped.

I'm sure you're all gutted to hear this.
 

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This thread has good momentum. Keep it up lads, full speed ahead on the muppet train!
 

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You're right it's not quicker, but it's still a "quick" way. You buy Mbappe for 300m, then let say Kimmich 200m next year (just example). Both are young. Do you think that's not a quick fix?
As the guy above has said. A quick fix implies a short term fix. But yes, going and buying some of the best young players in the world isn’t some kind of virtuous way of doing things. The fact that Wan Bissaka cost £50m doesn’t make it a quick fix though.
 

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How have we decided his value has gone up after his England performances is beyond me? Dortmund should be selling him for £10mill
 

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How have we decided his value has gone up after his England performances is beyond me? Dortmund should be selling him for £10mill
Didn't see where his value has changed but I suspect the club are likely basing it off of a body of work over 2 seasons rather than 2 glorified international friendlies

Just a hunch
 
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That he's pursuing "quick fix" also. Not in Conte or Mourinho kind of level though. If we get Sancho for 120m, he'd spend 360m in just two seasons. How is it not a "quick fix"?
Because it’s not spent on players like Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Zlatan (although he was good), Lukaku and Sanchez.

In theory, as it never works out, but all the players OGS has bought should be here for 5 years as a minimum.
 

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Depends how you define it. Gareth Bale on massive wages for 1 or 2 seasons would be a quick fix. Sancho for the next decade or so is a long-term investment.
That's true. I just feel like spending 120m on a player, and not calling it quick fix is a bit off. Just like when we spent 100m on 23 y.o. Pogba. But that's just my take.
 

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Sorry lads, I've come to the conclusion that's he's overhyped.

I'm sure you're all gutted to hear this.
Rival fans often do when players sign for us. Look at VDB thread.
Its a strange phenomenon, VDB was the tits when Madrid were in for him.
 

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Is this your considered opinion? Would you bet on this outcome?
Typically I don't bet on United or teams that I support because i find it hard to be objective, which is also true in this case.

Spending £108M on one of the world's most exciting talents seems too good to be true, especially in this time of depressed revenues and uncertain economic outlook.

I still don't believe it will happen because we saw similar "close calls" with Griezmann and Dybala only to be disappointed in the end. I'd rather not get my expectations up yet. But if we pull this off then I will unzip with the best of them.
 

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Sorry lads, I've come to the conclusion that's he's overhyped.

I'm sure you're all gutted to hear this.
You're right mate we should have gone for the Columbian belly dancer instead.
 

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For a publicly listed company that has 625m in annual turnover, the difference in paying the up front fee vs installments is not that great. It's less than 5% of turnover. There may have been some movement in some of the deadwood (Smalling / Rojo / Jones / Lingard) which made it easier, but it would be idiotic for this transfer to fall apart over installments vs. upfront fees. But a business with the track record of Utd, which is in the top 3 in their industry worldwide, with a great number of capital assets (players + OT), a fairly clean balance sheet, significant cash reserves and credit lines... if it falls apart, it's NOT because we cannot "afford" Sancho.

Damn. Was hoping we'd hit 1000 pages. But, if it happens now, I'm happy to sacrifice the 4 digit page mark for a transfer thread as long as he joins us. Ironically, if it doesn't work out and we do not get him, it could spawn an explosion of posts to take us past the Pogba record (is it 1100 pages?)!
 

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Sorry lads, I've come to the conclusion that's he's overhyped.

I'm sure you're all gutted to hear this.
This was you a month ago:

Sancho is a huge talent. One question about the whole thing is bugging me, though. Why does no other top club appear to be in for him? It's unusual to see a great talent go uncontested like this.
Admit it, you had never watched besides a few internationals.

Basically you are someone who is best left ignored.
 

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The guy could not score or create a goal against Iceland and Denmark but we wonder if his agent would accept installment for the bonus fees on his third Ballon d'Or.

Over the top.
 
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