100% a blue nose or a dipper gutted about the result today, love it
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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It's good tactics and especially for the second goal it's planned for that situation I feel.
Players rose to the occasion and the manager got it right. Makes those 0-0 draws hurt so much more 
In the last 9 games we scored 14 and conceded 5. I genuinely don’t think the defence is the issue. Strikers need to step up. 3 0-0s and a 1-1 recently. Not good enough offensively. Take Bruno out of our team and we are fooked !
Cut the crap, I can say the same thing about anyone supports Ole including you. You do know rival fans wants him to stay at the job, thus should I assume everyone wants him is in the job in this forum is a scouser? no this is just silly.
Despite the fact I do not need to explain it to you, but to make it clear to to you and everybody else, I have been supporting the club even before Sir Alex's appointment. So no, you are wrong.
Agree.
Too many draws were still an issue last season though, Ole actually identified it himself. We lost less games last year even than Manchester City did.
Granted we've lost only 4 games so far, maybe we will end up losing 6 overall. But that's not a material improvement standalone if you're comparing with last season.
The thing I like about Ole is very simple.
He is a manager that relies on individual abilities and all that means is that he needs more individual quality in the squad.
I don't see how people can not be patient with that and see the squad grow with some quality.
He is a manager that relies on individual abilities and all that means is that he needs more individual quality in the squad.
I don't see how people can not be patient with that and see the squad grow with some quality.
True, but what Ole has done is raise the floor of the performances, which is as important if you want to win the title. Basically, if on bad days we can get 1 point instead of 0, that's progress as well.
Ofcourse we need to convert some of the 1s to 3s, but with a bit more quality and maturity in our players, we'll get there. This is arguably the closest we've been to title since Fergie in terms of not just what is required, but also in terms of sustaining the domination for a few years
The similarities to our 2017-2018 season are pretty incredible.
He's done a good job steadying the ship at least.
He's done a good job steadying the ship at least.
But is relying on individual ability and moments of brilliance a sustainable way to build a title winning squad?
I think Ole got it right with the City game but I’m still waiting to see how his system of play develops through the rest of this season and the next to really understand his imprint on this squad.
In many ways he has done well of course, but I'm still wary right now because too many games hung in the balance for us and weren't as comfortable as they should have been (wba/southampton/sheffield/burnley etc.).
Looking at his money spent last season to this season there was little he had to work with to be fair. I just hope we spend better this summer.
I was actually thinking if we did sell Pogba for say 60m + Lingard for 20m we should be able to bring in Kounde for around 70m and and a Sancho/Haaland as a marquee transfer. It's doable but whether he gets backing is just another matter. We would have offloaded Smalling, Rojo, Lingard, Pogba, likely Mata over the course of the season - so there has to be something to show for it.
Considering we arguably didn't improve our first XI from last season beyond Fernandes being available from the start and Pogba being fit for a longer period, we've done ok all in all.
The onus should now be on the board to finally and properly back Ole. Get him the Sancho he's clearly wanted for the last two years, the Haaland who he helped nurture, a proper and reliable CB with recovery pace, and most importantly of all, a proper DM who can play that all important pass through the lines and out of our defensive third. A proper board would make that statement this summer and get all of them in one go, but with Woody and co, we'll be lucky if it gets done in two. But even if we get half of those priorities in this coming summer, we'll be so much nearer to where we want to be.
This trope is as tired as it gets, and I've got some news for you all: All managers rely on individual brilliance from their players, that's what they pay big money to sign players that might produce more of those moments.
And for all Pep's apparent brilliant patterns of play and systems, he couldn't coach his players to defend a counter-attack...
Klopp and Liverpool have sank without a trace because they have finally had the injuries most of their competition have had for the last 3 years and their back ups are nowhere near. Pep and city are the only team who have handled pandemic football because they have the resources to essentially have two first choice XIs.
It's honestly baffling how you can still denigrate the idea of having good players at our disposal when the facts are that every team is reliant on them.
Still, at least Klopp has his system though, eh?
What does this even mean? They have backed him fully so far. As much as they could.
We are not City whose owners take a dump and it's more money for them to spend. We are heavily reliant on revenue like pretty much every other standard club and all of them have taken a hit. Nobody is going to spend big when everybody has made it clear that they're in favour of remaining financially stable at these times.
And yet we still spent close to 100 million this season.
Personally, my favourite system is the one where we score goals and don't concede. What happens in between those two things doesn't matter all that much.
I think the poster is trying to say give the man the players he wants this summer instead of offering him players who have been out of contract for 6 months or a lad from Ajax who can only play football in one very specific way but was going for less than Madrid agreed to sign him for.
Of course, last summer was hopefully a one of, but they really need to support him this summer with at least one of Sancho or Grealish.
It's so stupid. Put Pep in charge of this Utd side and he is not going to do much better, if at all. He was 3rd in his first season at City because he didn't have the fullbacks he wanted. Give him this Utd side where our RW is non existent, we have a double pivot who seemingly are incapable of passing the ball, and a goal keeper who is likewise suboptimal in his distribution, and he'd be having an aneurysm.
Someone else pointed this out but I'll repeat it.
City were losing 2-0 and Pep didn't use all three subs, in fact, the only sub he used was Kyle Walker, leaving Aguero on the bench.
Can you fecking imagine this place if Solskjaer had only subbed Shaw for Telles while we were 2-0 down to City at home?
City were losing 2-0 and Pep didn't use all three subs, in fact, the only sub he used was Kyle Walker, leaving Aguero on the bench.
Can you fecking imagine this place if Solskjaer had only subbed Shaw for Telles while we were 2-0 down to City at home?
We are 2nd, with the longest unbeaten away run in history, in 1/4 finals of the FA cup and in 1/8 finals of Europa.
Yesterday we controlled City at Emptyhad, they got away with 2-0, could have been 4-0.
And people still spam this thread with moaning and complaining.
Embarrassing.
Why are some people so obsessed with constantly putting Ole down and posting shit about him on daily basis?
If you read the last 30 pages of this thread you’d imagine we are in relegation battle.
Yesterday we controlled City at Emptyhad, they got away with 2-0, could have been 4-0.
And people still spam this thread with moaning and complaining.
Embarrassing.
Why are some people so obsessed with constantly putting Ole down and posting shit about him on daily basis?
If you read the last 30 pages of this thread you’d imagine we are in relegation battle.
OlE dOeSnT mAkE sUbS.
The Walker sub was a defensive sub as well because he was getting bullied by Shaw on that side.
Actually it's the most viable way to win the league offcourse manager's /coach are important but more often then not league's are won by team's with highest individual quality.
I posted this in the Ole contract thread but its really more relevant here so here goes.
Solskjaer will still be here in 10 years I reckon. He's always seemed the kind of guy that thrives on being underestimated initially even as a player but then just completely holding onto his big breaks and working like mad to succeed. Doesn't hurt that he's got a very astute football mind (again an aspect that is underestimated) and is a much better man manager than any of our post SAF managers.
As an aside, I'm very interested in how the philosophy these new coaches who played the game at a high level is shaped by their playing position on the field - Pep a midfielder, Poch a defender, Ole (also SAF) a striker. It's probably not the be all and end all, but I can see some influences. Like the way Ole and SAF love the idea of speed on transition to get the ball to the forwards as much and as soon as possible, whereas with Pep he wants to pass and move the opposition to death.
Solskjaer will still be here in 10 years I reckon. He's always seemed the kind of guy that thrives on being underestimated initially even as a player but then just completely holding onto his big breaks and working like mad to succeed. Doesn't hurt that he's got a very astute football mind (again an aspect that is underestimated) and is a much better man manager than any of our post SAF managers.
As an aside, I'm very interested in how the philosophy these new coaches who played the game at a high level is shaped by their playing position on the field - Pep a midfielder, Poch a defender, Ole (also SAF) a striker. It's probably not the be all and end all, but I can see some influences. Like the way Ole and SAF love the idea of speed on transition to get the ball to the forwards as much and as soon as possible, whereas with Pep he wants to pass and move the opposition to death.
How about buying him the players he wants without compromise like they did with LvG and Jose? Or how about buying them without sales like we did in the case of Telles (Smalling) and Maguire (Lukaku).
LvG and Jose spent the best part of £750m between them in 4 seasons, and in the case of the latter, barely sold anyone in the process. Ole is currently way below even half of that figure (over £150m below that figure in fact), and has sold/let go of over £100m in assets in the process. It really isn't the same.
Where do you get this from? Twitter? Online "banter" from rival fans should not be taken seriously as half of it is just people taking the piss and the other half is just utterly stupid. We had "Klopp sack watch" threads on here that were pretty active from 2015-2018, which in hindsight looks both incredibly small time and incredibly stupid, but thats just how it is
Besides a completely delulded Liverpoolfan i know, pretty much all rival fans i know think hes doing a decent job. Not great, not terrible. Just decent
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Ole's the real hipster's choice of manager.
It would ‘prove’ he’s a shit coach no doubt
I think it's 'clueless' right? That was the term post Palace
Defensive and weak, not bold enough to go for it. No idea how to score against a good defence. I could go on
Excellent point. Also, you have to consider the boards and ownerships stated aims. It was made clear as a matter of policy during OGS' first summer that the club was embarking on a rebuild, aiming to put together a team good enough to contend for titles, with an emphasis on youth. If you're serious about that, that necessarily means a protracted period of investment in signings. Against that background, there's no reason why the transfer funds made available to OGS should be similar to those provided to previous managers in any case. They must be judged against the aims and the approach the Board has itself determined.
If you take their stated policy as they express it seriously, that means accepting that the squad OGS had at his disposal in May 2018 would need wholesale restructuring, and that major investments in top quality players would be required for a period of 2-3 years. There is no other way to turn a defective squad into one that is both young and good enough to challenge for titles. Relative to that, I think it's fair to say OGS has if anything been short-changed so far. Investment was good in his first year (Maguire, Wan-Bissaka, James, Bruno), but hardly extravagant, considering a good deal of the cost was off-set by sales. But I think it's very, very hard to see the backing he got in the last summer window as commensurate with the Board's stated aims. Essentially, what he got was backups for left back and central midfield, and a short-term stopgap striker. It's hard to see that advancing the process very much. And it's obvious that to get where the Board claims they aim to go in the timeframe at hand, there will need to be several additional major investments - in Central defence, at right back, on the right wing, in central defensive midfield and most likely at striker.
It's really not a question of backing Ole, it's a question of backing their own vision convincingly.
I'm not sure win rate is necessarily the full story. League positions, cups, more important to me.Lose or draw today and his Premier League win rate for his 2 full time seasons in charge is 48%, incredibly that's the worst since SAF.
Include his honeymoon period and that bumps him up to level with Moyes on 50%.
Shit, I kinda wish I hadn't posted that, I'm gonna regret it aren't I?
But that aside it shouldn't be a surprise Ole has the worst win rate. Post Ferguson he inherited the worst squad, the worst firt XI.
When he took over we were 11 points off fourth, worst points tally after 17 games since 1990. The squad was really unbalanced, the atmosphere pretty toxic. More concerning than all that was it looked like it was getting worse.
Ole's first two years have been nothing more than a major repair job.
If Pep is in charge of United it means some lesser of a manager is in charge of City and needs to figure out what to do with no decent striker or a proper Left back not to name a inside forward in Raheem Sterling who can’t finish.
I’m pretty sure Pep would be above this City side which leave who else to overcome??
So simple answer we win the league. Comfortably too. I mean Ole got us to first.
Then you look to the crazy defensive performances like Everton at home, and the terrible defensive errors we've made all season. So I think it's a combination of both.
This season, we've been scoring to salvage poor games defensively, and we've been toothless when we've been rock solid at the back (in general).
For me, the most frustrating is that we haven't seen a period of completeness, as in solid at the back and ruthless up front. I'd like to see that from now until the end of the season.
"Cowardly" and "Pussy" tactics as well.
You can see the clear progression in what we have been doing against the top 6.
I know that seems strange to say because our results have been worse this year, however, we’re no longer just playing low-block/counter-attacking football.
We got away with that last year because teams fancied beating us. Now they are showing us more respect and being more cautious. That means we needed to find alternative ways to beat the best teams.
We tried to be very pro-active against Spurs and for a combination of reasons, we got badly burned. We then went quite negative against Chelsea and City at home, perhaps believing we were not ready to be more progressive.
However, certainly against Chelsea and City recently, we have seen the template again for what Ole wants to do in big games. High-line, high-press and the McFred pivot allowing the wingers to stay high and Fernandes to go and press.
I know that seems strange to say because our results have been worse this year, however, we’re no longer just playing low-block/counter-attacking football.
We got away with that last year because teams fancied beating us. Now they are showing us more respect and being more cautious. That means we needed to find alternative ways to beat the best teams.
We tried to be very pro-active against Spurs and for a combination of reasons, we got badly burned. We then went quite negative against Chelsea and City at home, perhaps believing we were not ready to be more progressive.
However, certainly against Chelsea and City recently, we have seen the template again for what Ole wants to do in big games. High-line, high-press and the McFred pivot allowing the wingers to stay high and Fernandes to go and press.
You want a civilised conversation whilst saying I practice my long-winded arguments in a mirror. Hypocrite warning....
So you're not a spoilt fan, but you expect us to be top of the league, despite City's squad containing literally 2-3 world class players in every position? Come on mate.... Our lack of quality squad depth is the reason why we've fallen off. It's unsustainable to keep up with them for 38 games. If Greenwood looks off it, we have Dan James. If Dan James doesn't play well, we have nobody else, just academy players. City have 4 world class players they can and do happily rotate in that position.
You keep saying some of the points lost are ridiculous, but some of the points gained, are brilliant. This is the definition of how a league season works, with a table. We finish in a position based on our average performance all season. You can't just highlight 5 games in the season and sit there saying "its ridiculous we lost the points". Is it? We lose severe quality when we rotate more than 3 players, we're mid re-build and our squad will get better. This is why I expect us to be top 4 material and not title challenger material. But you? You expect us to be joint on points with City. It's ridiculous expectations after they've spent over a billion under the same manager on the same vision in order to have the best squad in England. Thats why when Mason comes out, Dan James comes in and not Mahrez, for example.
Explain the mathematics behind squad building to anyone, and they'll say "based on the fact City have spent considerably more under the same manager and under the same vision, they should be comfortably clear at the top of the league".
Explain the upward trajectory, our league finishes under Ole, from 6th to 3rd to 2nd to anyone, they'll say "that's good improvement year on year".
Allow the re-build to continue and be patient.
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