[Withnail]

If Ole is serious about turning us into a force again then it would be a start.

Winning it last time did feck all to help turn us into a force.

 

[gerdm07]

A win is so important today as it would put us 9 or more points clear of all the 5th and below clubs with 9 matches left. I hope the players respond like they did vs MC.

Mathematically that would mean if we win 15 points out of the next 27 our chasers would need to win 24 out of 27. Wrap up top 4 today and we can play more freely to get 2nd and win a cup.

 

[laughtersassassin]

It's more important to get top four.

Why isn't he capable of winning a trophy and doing that.

That excuse expired last year mate. 4 semi final losses. Time to win something

 

[Withnail]

Finished 2nd is a trophy then ya?

No the Europa isn't a major trophy.

It's hilarious the same people who are claiming standards have dropped think winning the Europa is something to celebrate.

Obviously it's a competition we are in so we should be winning it but it's not important and I won't be jumping for joy over it.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Winning it last time did feck all to help turn us into a force.

As did coming second the following year so your point makes no sense

 

[Withnail]

As did coming second the following year so your point makes no sense

I'm talking about this young team not that Jose team with many on their last legs immediately before he burned the gaff down.

EDIT: I wasn't the one claiming either option would turn us into a force.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Feck it its only Moyes, play with 10 men, I like your optimism

Oops.
Throw in Shaw at lb.

 

[laughtersassassin]

I'm talking about this young team not that Jose team with many on their last legs immediately before he burned the gaff down.

So your argument still doesn't make any sense cause. Winning a trophy would help this young team learn something.

Doesn't matter what trophy. Any trophy bis better than none especially when we are on our longest run without one since Ferguson left

 

[Jaxa]

Got a feeling this won't be pretty especially with our attacking options

I think we will need Bruno to really step up today, i would even be tempted to play him as a false 9

Rashford----Bruno----Greenwood
----------------McTominay--------------
--------------Matic------Fred--------------
---Shaw----Maguire---Lindelof---AWB
-----------------Henderson--------------------

 

[Withnail]

So your argument still doesn't make any sense cause. Winning a trophy would help this young team learn something.

Doesn't matter what trophy. Any trophy bis better than none especially when we are on our longest run without one since Ferguson left

Where's the evidence that winning a cup competition does this?

Cup competitions are a lottery and winning them isn't an indicator of future success in my book.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Where's the evidence that winning a cup competition does this?

Cup competitions are a lottery and winning them isn't an indicator of future success in my book.

And neither is coming 2nd.

 

[Withnail]

And neither is coming 2nd.

I'd argue a year on year improvement in league position is a better indicator of future success.

 

[RashyForPM]

People are debating here over which competition is more important this season so Rashford can be rested in the other one, completely forgetting that Marcus is 23 years old, as fit as a footballer can be and has been passed fit by the physios. He will start both games as he absolutely should, and then the FA Cup one next weekend too. He’s our 2nd best player!

Honestly, I can’t understand some of you guys’ obsession with resting players. Let’s settle on the fact that not just the PL and EL, but the FA Cup is important too.

 

[united_99]

I am worried about today. I have a feeling we will pick up form again after the international break with some players having had rest and coming back from injury.
Worst timing as today, Milan and Leicester are important games.

 

[Lappen]

Telles in midfield? Surely Matic as a 6 & Fred/Scott as 8s would be better?

This I like consider the players we missing today. And a bit moore hight in the team doesn't hurt as well for this game!
I didn't pick Matic in my team today, but I think he will suite the game good.

 

[Ali Dia]

We will see Amad today again most likely. PL debut minutes. Best of luck to him. Hopefully we try and get him on the ball 1v1 against the full back. See what he can do. Bet amad wins a peno for Bruno to slot away!

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Winning it last time did feck all to help turn us into a force.

It might have done if our manager at the time was even slightly stable.

 

[Ole'sattheWheel]

Our injury list, OT form, recent results v WH and their form this season makes me worried for this

 

[Red_toad]

No the Europa isn't a major trophy.

It's hilarious the same people who are claiming standards have dropped think winning the Europa is something to celebrate.

Obviously it's a competition we are in so we should be winning it but it's not important and I won't be jumping for joy over it.

Just because you feel that way doesn’t mean everyone else has to. I throughly enjoy watching my team lift trophies and have celebrated everyone in my lifetime. Having seen them lift all 3 European tournaments that have been available was a great achievement for the club.
if you only value certain trophies, then that’s your problem, I’m glad I don’t share it.

 

[laughtersassassin]

I'd argue a year on year improvement in league position is a better indicator of future success.

It can be. But winning trophies can be too. And our barren run without a trophy is becoming way too long.

What will be the excuse for next year? Cause after last year when we lost 3 semi finals most people where in agreement that he has to do better and win a trophy.

 

[Withnail]

Just because you feel that way doesn’t mean everyone else has to. I throughly enjoy watching my team lift trophies and have celebrated everyone in my lifetime. Having seen them lift all 3 European tournaments that have been available was a great achievement for the club.
if you only value certain trophies, then that’s your problem, I’m glad I don’t share it.

Fair enough and each to their own, maybe it's because Ajax were never a threat I don't know but it did feck all for me.

Then Mourinho getting the lads to hold up three fingers (one of which being for the Charity Shield) took whatever gloss was left off it for me.

Perhaps if this team won it I'd feel differently but I don't get the obsession winning a trophy any trophy. There's only two that really matter.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Fair enough maybe it's because Ajax were never a threat I don't know but it did feck all for me.

Then Mourinho getting the lads to hold up three fingers (one of which being for the Charity Shield) took whatever gloss was left off it for me.

Perhaps if this team won it I'd feel differently but I don't get the obsession winning a trophy any trophy. There's only two that really matter.

If City found themselves in the EL by coming third in the group Pep would go all out to win it.

Why you think he goes all out for the Carling cup every year?

Winning will help this squad. That's a good as reason to go for it as any.

 

[Random Task]

Where's the evidence that winning a cup competition does this?

Cup competitions are a lottery and winning them isn't an indicator of future success in my book.

If winning cup competitions was as random as you suggest, the likes of York, Doncaster and Spurs would feel the need to build trophy cabinets to house all their silverware. But this is not the case.

Winning the EL would certainly send a message that this team is capable of crossing the finish line. Ole and his team have picked up a reputation of bottling due to failing at the semi-final stage several times. That rep will only grow the longer the team goes without winning anything.

Many refused to acknowledge Poch as the future United manager because he failed to win anything with Spurs. PSG cared not, however.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Rashford supposed to be fit for this, although I can't see him playing more than 60 minutes. We don't have many options up front today.

 

[laughtersassassin]

If winning cup competitions was as random as you suggest, the likes of York, Doncaster and Spurs would feel the need to build trophy cabinets to house all their silverware. But this is not the case.

Winning the EL would certainly send a message that this team is capable of crossing the finish line. Ole and his team have picked up a reputation of bottling due to failing at the semi-final stage several times. That rep will only grow the longer the team goes without winning anything.

Many refused to acknowledge Poch as the future United manager because he failed to win anything with Spurs. PSG cared not, however.

Your poch point is a very good one tbh. So many people would say what has he won but yet are okay with Ole not winning anything.

Ole SHOULD be expected to win either the FA cup or Europa League because he is managing Manchester United. You have to win things simple as.

 

[RUCK4444]

Your poch point is a very good one tbh. So many people would say what has he won but yet are okay with Ole not winning anything.

Ole SHOULD be expected to win either the FA cup or Europa League because he is managing Manchester United. You have to win things simple as.

Nobody is ok with Ole winning nothing. Believe it or not even Ole-in posters want the best for the club, ironically it’s that very concern for the long term benefit of the club that drives their patience with Ole and to do that you need look past a poxy cup trophy that we’ve won dozens of times.

Id rather keep a manager making slow progress with the correct direction for the club than win an FA cup this season, any day of the week. The latter will follow. Avoiding another 8 years of obscurity is my primary concern.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Nobody is ok with Ole winning nothing. Believe it or not even Ole-in posters want the best for the club, ironically it’s that very concern for the long term benefit of the club that drives their patience with Ole and to do that you need look past a poxy cup trophy that we’ve won dozens of times.

Id rather keep a manager making slow progress with the correct direction for the club than win an FA cup this season, any day of the week. The latter will follow. Avoiding another 8 years of obscurity is my primary concern.

Squad is good enough to be winning a trophy every second year at least. Especially when we are in the EL.

It's not an either or between top 4 and trophies.

 

[Lappen]

No the Europa isn't a major trophy.

It's hilarious the same people who are claiming standards have dropped think winning the Europa is something to celebrate.

Obviously it's a competition we are in so we should be winning it but it's not important and I won't be jumping for joy over it.

Do you consider it as big as the FA- cup ore bigger?
I rate the the Europa bigger than FA. But of course smaller then the league and champions.
We should count it quite big just because of the money it brings.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Do you consider it as big as the FA- cup ore bigger?
I rate the the Europa bigger than FA. But of course smaller then the league and champions.
We should count it quite big just because of the money it brings.

And it gets us in Pot 1 of the CL which would avoid drawing a group like we did this season.

Thats another reason the EL is very very important to us. Ends our trophy drought and makes next season a bit easier

 

[Red00012]

No the Europa isn't a major trophy.

It's hilarious the same people who are claiming standards have dropped think winning the Europa is something to celebrate.

Obviously it's a competition we are in so we should be winning it but it's not important and I won't be jumping for joy over it.

Standards have dropped claiming we should ignore a European cup competition so we can finish just behind the league winners albeit finishing on double digits behind them .

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Why isn't he capable of winning a trophy and doing that.

That excuse expired last year mate. 4 semi final losses. Time to win something

We have no attackers haha

 

[mitchmouse]

No I want you to apply some common sense but it’s not going to happen

congratulations - you become the first person I've blocked on any social media. you have no argument to make so decide to be rude

 

[laughtersassassin]

We have no attackers haha

Maybe should have rested more in the second game versus Sociedad

 

[Withnail]

Standards have dropped claiming we should ignore a European cup competition so we can finish just behind the league winners albeit finishing on double digits behind them .

We used to laugh at the Europa League mate.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

If winning cup competitions was as random as you suggest, the likes of York, Doncaster and Spurs would feel the need to build trophy cabinets to house all their silverware. But this is not the case.

Winning the EL would certainly send a message that this team is capable of crossing the finish line. Ole and his team have picked up a reputation of bottling due to failing at the semi-final stage several times. That rep will only grow the longer the team goes without winning anything.

Many refused to acknowledge Poch as the future United manager because he failed to win anything with Spurs. PSG cared not, however.

The bottling thing is idiotic... Like we wouldn't get that label if we continuously got to the quarter final... So it's just a wierd reach to make it seem like getting to several back to back semis is worse than consistently getting knocked out earlier ? Cos then you aren't bottling ?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Maybe should have rested more in the second game versus Sociedad

Ok Mr agenda

 

[laughtersassassin]

We used to laugh at the Europa League mate.

And we used to laugh at winning nothing.

 

[Withnail]

congratulations - you become the first person I've blocked on any social media. you have no argument to make so decide to be rude

I hope you feel privileged @Inigo Montoya

Was that really rude?

 

[Red00012]

We used to laugh at the Europa League mate.

We used to laugh at not finishing outside of top 2 also mate

 

[Withnail]

And we used to laugh at winning nothing.

So we agree?