He was getting into the game the moment he came off. It would have been better to take one of the DMs off but Southgate didn’t have the balls for that.The amount of people claiming Foden shouldn’t have come off
England - Euro 2021 Discussion | FA chairman: Southgate to be offered new contract until Euro 2024
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Honestly don’t know how Sterling is starting or staying on the pitch. He scored 1 goal so far, but he’s buggered up a load of chances. The guy is not clinical, get him off. We’re dominating possession and doing nothing with it because we lack the numbers up front and the players to capitalise.
There are?The amount of people claiming Foden shouldn’t have come off
He hasn't done a thing since hitting the post in the first few minutes against Croatia. The far more questionable sub was sticking Rashford up top as a centre forward.
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Southgate has obviously not watched Rashford up front for us, or our struggles against deep defences. I thought that was a stunningly incompetent decision to put on a player that excels moving into space into a role with very little space. At that point Scotland were mostly settling for a draw with the odd counter. Would have been far more productive to get balls into DCL.There are?
He hasn't done a thing since hitting the post in the first few minutes against Croatia. The far more questionable sub was sticking Rashford up top as a centre forward.
Southgate doesn't seem to make decisions based on how players perform or do for their clubs, except Kane who gets to play his Spurs role, which is nothing but a negative to how we should be using him.
Problem is the FA decided to go down the route of hiring english coaches...and they are all pretty much average! (Apart from Rogers)
Since German managers are in vogue at the moment, I'd be interested to see what someone like Klopp or Tuchel could do with this England team. Better then this shite.
Did Southgate play for second in the group, to avoid Germany/Portugal and meet Sweden instead? Could be genius that 
Playing two players either side of Kane who want to get the ball to feet and face away from goal, while also telling Kane to come deep, like he does at Spurs, must be the dumbest decision at senior coaching level and evidence Southgate really doesn't have a clue.
Sorry, it's not hyperbole. The reason why Kane going deep worked/works at Spurs is Son etc are flying past him into the space he vacates.
It's so easy to defend against this because Kane is moving AWAY FROM THE GOAL AS ARE FODEN AND STERLING meaning Grant Fecking Hanley is able to have the game played in front of him.
It's beggars belief a "top" coach can get something so wrong.
I also echo the comments on here regarding Sterling, I can only assume he has compromising photos of Southgate. He has been shocking for 24 months now. City flatter him, massively and it's no surprise he is in the shop window. The guy has done VERY well to have the career he has by joining City.
If he starts the next game, then Southgate has to go post tournament.
Sorry, it's not hyperbole. The reason why Kane going deep worked/works at Spurs is Son etc are flying past him into the space he vacates.
It's so easy to defend against this because Kane is moving AWAY FROM THE GOAL AS ARE FODEN AND STERLING meaning Grant Fecking Hanley is able to have the game played in front of him.
It's beggars belief a "top" coach can get something so wrong.
I also echo the comments on here regarding Sterling, I can only assume he has compromising photos of Southgate. He has been shocking for 24 months now. City flatter him, massively and it's no surprise he is in the shop window. The guy has done VERY well to have the career he has by joining City.
If he starts the next game, then Southgate has to go post tournament.
On current evidence, Spain will be wanting to tank their group to get a nice easy game against EnglandDid Southgate play for second in the group, to avoid Germany/Portugal and meet Sweden instead? Could be genius that
What I see here is that he should drop Kane, Sterling and Foden. They are all playing shite.......and England will do better.
Every tournament is the same, hype them up before and call them shite and look for wholesale changes after 1 or 2 matches.
Usually just about qualify from the group and then lose on penalties in the first knock out round.
Looks like the same is going to happen here.
Every tournament is the same, hype them up before and call them shite and look for wholesale changes after 1 or 2 matches.
Usually just about qualify from the group and then lose on penalties in the first knock out round.
Looks like the same is going to happen here.
Which is moronic as they have no pace or threat on the right hand side ffs.
What happens when you're most potent player has his back to goal thirty yards out.
Obviously England will get through the group stage but you have to wonder what's England's best hope at the tournament? This just doesn't look like a team that will dominate the bigger games, the style of football is not great and the players aren't playing at great energy levels. Winning the next game probably puts them against Portugal or Germany or coming second in the group puts them in the harder side of the draw without home advantage right? The upside being an easier game, likely against Sweden, if I've understood correctly.
Maguire, provided he's fit, would add leadership for the defence and fitting Grealish or Sancho in the team would provide a bit more creativity; not sure if Southgate will change things up though.
Maguire, provided he's fit, would add leadership for the defence and fitting Grealish or Sancho in the team would provide a bit more creativity; not sure if Southgate will change things up though.
I remember when he actually got quite a few votes on the poll for next United manager after Jose was given the sack. Purely on the basis of scraping past Tunisia, Colombia and Sweden.
To be fair, the England players on the pitch were kinda useless so I don't blame him for trying to pass to someone else.
Grealish is like a t-rex can only see things that move.
Doesn't pick them based on England performances either clearly
Go figure why. I think Foden is grossly overrated, especially in that starting position at RM/RW.The amount of people claiming Foden shouldn’t have come off
That was terrible. Just not good enough on the ball, and a lot of that is down to the defence and two holding midfielders who are happy to just pass it sideways and backwards. Subs were shite too.
Southgate is England’s biggest issue.
Foden starting ahead of Sancho or Grealish is madness. Sterling too.
Kane pretending he’s Wayne Rooney and dropping so deep is laughable.
Foden starting ahead of Sancho or Grealish is madness. Sterling too.
Kane pretending he’s Wayne Rooney and dropping so deep is laughable.
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Hopefully shakes things up for the third game. Expect to see some of Chillwell, Maguire, Trippier, Sancho, Grealish
He's been better than Foden and Kane by miles, Mount too. Easily the bright spark in a poor English attack.
Foden should be dropped next game, Kane too. Weird to single out the only English player offering a threat
I'm still stunned by Sir Graeme White-Teefnness
The chemicals and technology involved must've made the COVID vaccines pale in comparison.
The chemicals and technology involved must've made the COVID vaccines pale in comparison.
He has been awful. Just runs into traffic and loses the ball.
The overreaction when England win/lose/draw is comical tbh, from number one contenders to the worst team ever in less than a week
For Scotland this is the pinnacle of football... it's a cup final for them, a 0-0 draw against England triggers mass celebration... Take the point (and almost certain qualification) against a team that massively overperformed and move on
For Scotland this is the pinnacle of football... it's a cup final for them, a 0-0 draw against England triggers mass celebration... Take the point (and almost certain qualification) against a team that massively overperformed and move on
I believe it was a mistake to play both Rice and Philips today. Just Rice would have been sufficient, as he could slot into back 3 when in possession.
I think it had painfully obvious that Kane is struggling - should have subbed him off much earlier and brought on Rashford then and there. Sancho should have come on as well instead of Sterling and Grealish for Foden (who wasn't having a great impact). All 3 of them can create and score + roam from positions as well, which would have, I believe, created gaps in Scottish defence (who were incredibly disciplined). Sterling, for all his talents, is more of a disruptor than a creator and I dont think he was that necessary today especially when you were expected to dominate proceedings.
Rashford needs to start these games as it ensures that the other team always has an eye on him, and are careful to not commit too many bodies forward out of fear of his acceleration and the damage he can do on counters.
I think it had painfully obvious that Kane is struggling - should have subbed him off much earlier and brought on Rashford then and there. Sancho should have come on as well instead of Sterling and Grealish for Foden (who wasn't having a great impact). All 3 of them can create and score + roam from positions as well, which would have, I believe, created gaps in Scottish defence (who were incredibly disciplined). Sterling, for all his talents, is more of a disruptor than a creator and I dont think he was that necessary today especially when you were expected to dominate proceedings.
Rashford needs to start these games as it ensures that the other team always has an eye on him, and are careful to not commit too many bodies forward out of fear of his acceleration and the damage he can do on counters.
Eh, I would agree that Mounts space creation was very strong from his deeper role and he was overall probably the best English field player today.
However, the praise for Fodens space creation comes with a pretty big caveat for me. Yes, his neat interplay with the FB can create spaces to operate in, but there are way too often not in dangerous areas on the edge or inside the box but rather in the half spaces in front of the last defense line. This is well enough to keep possession and control high, but does not produce much danger. Foden is in general not that suited for a wider role IMO as he does not cut inward or deep enough on the side for that. He is better off either up front or in a central midfield role.
In the game vs. Scotland Fodens space creation in deeper regions actually had an contradictory effect as it lured Kane outside the box and away from the goal. This can work if your striker is a monster with the back to the goal like Lewandowski, but Kane is nowhere near as good in that regard.
They look great don’t they!!
I was fuming at this evening performance but when the game finished and it went to Souness and his veneers….I was like wow, tonight’s been a good night
Dont think Southgate is going to drop Kane and Sterling which is really sad.
Think he already made his mind up going in to the tournament that them two are his first choice attack and even if it costs him his job, so be it.
Such a shame really, we are gonna see a repeat of the 2018 England - Croatia game when England do exit the tournament.
Think he already made his mind up going in to the tournament that them two are his first choice attack and even if it costs him his job, so be it.
Such a shame really, we are gonna see a repeat of the 2018 England - Croatia game when England do exit the tournament.
What are you on about? He runs behind beautifully, and then runs into a player making any build up play worthless. His end product is garbage, which makes the rest pointless.
It’s like making yourself a gourmet dinner, then taking a crap on top of it. You wanna eat it?
So all the grooup games, semis and a final at Wembley. Not sure about quarters.
Must be the biggest chunk of games?
Pity this new Wembley is so soulless.
Must be the biggest chunk of games?
Pity this new Wembley is so soulless.
Blinded by the lights like a storming night at Fabric or Ministry of Sound in their heydey.
I thought that in the first game as well. Though he is doing well in the position for CIty, he isnt a right winger, bar some early moments in games he looks far better when he starts to drift inside. I think we need to see more of that with the ball froma few players. Only one who is really drifting is Kane....too deep, we look rigid and unimaginative, pass pass pass, long ball out wide to run on to.
I would like to see Grealish start and see him Foden and Mount interchanging and stretching teams as even if we improve our performances, at the moment we look totally predictable and keeping an attacking shape isnt working so far when we are not at all cohesive
the fact that he’s substituted Kane in both games suggested this is not the case
Feels like now that so many of England's promising young attackers have come of age and are on Kane's level, he's no longer the focal point of all our attacks he once was (and still is at Spurs), leading to him just drifting out of games.
Sorry but none of these three playing together will stretch teams. They are far too similar to one another.
They'll play nice intricate triangles but fundamentally they'll get nowhere.
I did not write the thread bar the last two bits on Kane so for what it is worth, I agree with you on Foden.
I think as a wide midfielder, he can play well there but as a wide forward in a 4-3-3 especially in a formation where there is no real outlet aside from Sterling and a forward who refuses to stretch the line in Kane, it becomes a front line which just plays in front of backlines rather than hurt them and get in behind.