diarm
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We'll take one of Pedri or Frenkie off their wage bill. It's the honourable thing to do.
Yes we absolutely should do that. I'm sure other clubs are thinking the same. Next big thing this kid. He's a fantastic player. On Barca, they are truly, truly fecked and will go bankrupt.Cheeky bid for Pedri?
I mean, how is this even possible. There's a rule that sets a salary cap based on the previous season's income? Ok, fair enough, but how in god's name does the League not make an exception for the post-Covid season? Revenue breaks down completely, what, they're supposed to release all their players? You've built a squad with players who are all on certain contracts, then there's a pandemic and suddenly your squad is only allowed to cost a third of the wages?The cap imposed on them by La Liga has reduced by half from what I understand. Which in my view is silly from the league.
So close to half of Barcelonas total revenue?Messi's salary is insane, but the revenue he generates for the club is 2-3x what he costs. He ain't the problem, the problem is the Dembeles, Coutinhos, Griezmanns, Umtitis, Arda Turans, Pjanic / Arhurs, Lenglets of Barca.
Also buying Memphis Depay and Kun Aguerro, even on a free is dumb imo. Kun is finished, Depay never will be it
This whole episode raises a wider discussion of how clubs should be run. Barcelona are a 100% fan owned club and imo, that mentality has contributed to this debacle. There is a balance between Arsenal on one end and Barcelona on the other and I think us fans should be wary of falling into the trap Barcelona has. Imo, a club is first and foremost a going concern business. Barca's ownership model has led to politics which inevitably leads to bad decisions. Fans should be careful what they wish for. Any sound businessman would have sold Messi a couple of years ago.This can be a lesson that all clubs should learn from. Barcelona should have sold Messi for a few hundred million 2/3 years ago and they would be around 500/600m better off right now. I appreciate he’s a club legend and easily the second best player of his generation but what has that money won them? One league title and one cup.
I just hope United don’t make the same mistake with Sancho in 10 years. Take the £800m and reinvest it in the squad.
I think Barcelona's early investment in Messi - I assume you're referring to moving him and his family from Argentina and paying for his growth hormone treatments - has paid massive dividends. They profited from it as much as the player so it shouldn't be relevant at this point.It's a bit amoral to me to justify the same behaviour just because Messi plays wonderful football. They're both callous, they're both taking advantage of a situation, even though they know it's damaging to others, and both don't seem to care. Conversely, Barcas commitment to the player in his early years is likely the only reason Messi is in a position to demand such considerable wages.
I think they are factoring in their debts too. But it's stupid still.I mean, how is this even possible. There's a rule that sets a salary cap based on the previous season's income? Ok, fair enough, but how in god's name does the League not make an exception for the post-Covid season? Revenue breaks down completely, what, they're supposed to release all their players? You've built a squad with players who are all on certain contracts, then there's a pandemic and suddenly your squad is only allowed to cost a third of the wages?
That would be absolute madness if true and somehow I can't actually believe it is. Makes no sense whatsoever. How are clubs supposed to deal with this, it's impossible.
This kind of volatility can't possbily be enforcable or legal. Also surely it would affect other La Liga clubs badly, too, no?I think they are factoring in their debts too. But it's stupid still.
It’s calculated against the debt they have which I think is now sitting at 1.4bil. They borrowed something like 600mil a few seasons ago from a private New York Finacier or something to stay a float then so honestly if they some how get bailed out it’ll be a joke.How are they £200m above the salary cap this season but weren't last season? They have only signed Memphis, Garcia and Aguero which won't be that much, so I don't get how they are £200m over the salary cap all of a sudden?
True, Barcelona is a big brand on its own, they will do fine.Has selling Ronaldo had a huge impact on Madrid's revenues?
Don't think so.
Neither it has had a very great impact on Juventus revenue.
Last post by me on this topic - this Deloitte report seems to contradict your thinking:Has selling Ronaldo had a huge impact on Madrid's revenues?
Don't think so.
Neither it has had a very great impact on Juventus revenue.
Aye, I was being slightly glib with my first point.I think Barcelona's early investment in Messi - I assume you're referring to moving him and his family from Argentina and paying for his growth hormone treatments - has paid massive dividends. They profited from it as much as the player so it shouldn't be relevant at this point.
Instinctively, I sort of agree with you. It does feel wrong, somehow, that a megarich footballer still wants to squeeze every single penny out of his supposedly beloved club even though with the sort of money he's already earned in his career his descendants down to three or four generations should be able to live comfortable, pampered lives.
On the other hand, he can't force Barcelona to agree to his demands, even if he has considerable leverage. They can still say no. And if I'm allowed to get a little political: if you look at it from the perspective of a valuable employee demanding the full value of his labour from the employer - well I have more sympathy for Messi from this angle even though he's not exactly your ordinary office worker.
Correct.Aye, I was being slightly glib with my first point.
In the same way a club can reject the demands of an agent. The thing I find morally reprehensible is Messi knows he's in a position of enormous power, and he's taking advantage of that, despite the obvious effect it's having on others around him. I'm all for players recognizing and pursuing their true value, but not at the cost of everyone else associated with the club. That's greed.
Possibly something to do with overpaying "stars"?There's a lesson in here somewhere for United but I just cant put my finger on it.
Covid is only a part of it, the bigger problem is the ridiculous transfers and contracts they've been handing out over the last few years. Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann they are paying at least 20M euros a year on all of these transfers still. No other Spanish club is in this situation despite Covid and the salary cap, this is their own mess.I mean, how is this even possible. There's a rule that sets a salary cap based on the previous season's income? Ok, fair enough, but how in god's name does the League not make an exception for the post-Covid season? Revenue breaks down completely, what, they're supposed to release all their players? You've built a squad with players who are all on certain contracts, then there's a pandemic and suddenly your squad is only allowed to cost a third of the wages?
That would be absolute madness if true and somehow I can't actually believe it is. Makes no sense whatsoever. How are clubs supposed to deal with this, it's impossible.
Haha thank you. Ridiculous.So close to half of Barcelonas total revenue?
Good luck with that.
You do know there’s a happy medium between 100 gbp and 1 million. One where he can still be top paid player in the club without holding them to ransom. Footballers are greedy, agents will say if we move him to PSG or City he will earn much more so you need to pay up. It becomes political then, you can’t be the Barcelona board that oversaw the sale of Neymar and Messi so you have to pay up.These people are getting tiresome popping up everywhere trying to blame Messi. Imagine if in your line of work your company said right we will pay you 1million per week, and you say err no thanks just pay me 100gbp I dont want you to have financial problems
Totally agree. I doubt anyone outside of Barca really know what's going on. And I'm will to bet that at the end of the day they will be bailed out in some way (and keep Messi )This kind of volatility can't possbily be enforcable or legal. Also surely it would affect other La Liga clubs badly, too, no?
I mean, the Athletic is a good source but I would like some further information how exactly this is supposed to work, I have a hard time believing this to be the full story.
Maybe read up on the developments. Messi is currently not signed and Barca still breaches the salary cap by a lot. Therefore Messi’s next contract is not the issue. It is the ones currently on their wage bill.If they are stupid enough to extend Messi's contract and completely wreck the club in doing so then so be it. Utterly Mental!
So what are La Liga’s economic controls? La Liga set up an economic control department in 2013, staffed by analysts who review the finances of each Primera and Segunda club and establish its strict squad cost limit for each season. This squad cost limit is the total amount that clubs can spend on their first-team players, first-team coach, assistant coach and head physio, as well as their reserve teams, academy and any non-registered squad players. Clubs may choose how the money is split between transfers or wages, provided the overall limit is not exceeded. The squad cost limit is based on financial data which the clubs must submit to La Liga in the months before each summer transfer window opens. Factors which are considered include expected revenues for the coming season, but also profits and losses from previous years, overhead costs, non-player contracts, current savings, any existing debt repayments, investments and sources of external financing. For accounting purposes, transfer fees are usually split or “amortised” over the term of a player’s contract, so a part of the amount still due for players signed in previous seasons is counted within this squad cost limit each year. Whenever a club looks to register a new player, using La Liga’s proprietary “LaLiga Manager” software system, the transfer is automatically checked by its economic control team. Only when they are satisfied that the club has sufficient space in their budget to cover the transfer fee and salary can any new player be registered to play (in any competition).This kind of volatility can't possbily be enforcable or legal. Also surely it would affect other La Liga clubs badly, too, no?
I mean, the Athletic is a good source but I would like some further information how exactly this is supposed to work, I have a hard time believing this to be the full story.
It's the athletic trying to justify their pay wall, with all the Messi news lately. It seem very much a clickbait type article. Most of the information in the Op is freely available on the internet.If this is true then why is there no media coverage, one of the most famous Sports clubs in world sports on the brink of disaster and I've just googled Barcelona and it's brought nothing up about it.
De Jong is on 400k a week.We'll take one of Pedri or Frenkie off their wage bill. It's the honourable thing to do.
Oh right so they just rocked up and offered Messi 2m a week, did they?These people are getting tiresome popping up everywhere trying to blame Messi. Imagine if in your line of work your company said right we will pay you 1million per week, and you say err no thanks just pay me 100gbp I dont want you to have financial problems