Both are miserable, as it's a tough life having to shout your stance repeatedly after every single game. Luckily, most are fairly balanced.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Your right. The Ole ins are generally more balanced posters. :-)
What you said is actually very entitled and tbh, extremely ignorant as "only people of Manchester has the right to love United". It's like saying only people who live next door to or has met Frank Sinatra has a right to love him. Because, if not what's the geographical connection anyway?
What you said is actually an offense, an insult to hundreds millions of foreign United fans. United would be no where near its current worldwide fame and financial capability without them.
Absolutely this. It’s by far the worst thing to endure here on the Caf.
Negativity is one thing, and somewhat expected at times, but it’s the clearly agenda driven negativity I can’t stand.
Eh? Not sure what your point is, but TV cameras follow the ball during normal game play.
One of the benefits of being there is that you can (depending on where you're sat or stood, of course) watch the entire pitch all the time.
Again - not sure what your point is, but watching a football match from the stands is completely different from watching it on TV - in some ways it isn't comparable at all.
Just one of the luxuries of watching it live is that you can - if you want - keep an eye on an individual player over time: track his movements, great and small, see how he moves relative to the other players offensively and defensively...and so forth. Much of that will never be shown on TV.
ETA The above will be especially interesting (of course) if you're focusing on a player who normally isn't on the ball that much. Actually judging (even as a rank amateur - which we all are for the most part) a player's off-the-ball abilities (anticipation, defensive awareness, what have you) is clearly much easier when you can watch him off-camera.
Again - a drunk fecker at OT screaming "United - United - United" isn't likely to notice anything worth sharing, but the basic idea should be clear enough.
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Seriously? Are you telling me that the sky cameras are showing what every player is doing at all times? On TV you just get what the camera is showing at that time.
If that was the case then why would scouts bother going to matches.
I don't think, that I have read something that narrowminded in here on such a serious note... Maybe it would be benefitial for you to overthink your position for what you are and not to what community you belong mostly due sheer coincidence. Nevermind me if you moved to Manchester just because of the Football club.
it might be the worst thing for you but let me tell you that this "negativity" and "agenda driven" argument is taking its toll as well... Pretty ironic that you complain about people trying to "be right" when this place is often stormed after a good performances with questions who the PE teacher is. FFS there was even a thread mocking people from a matchday thread. That is exactly the same bs. Probably even bigger, because it is way easier to feel right when the majority of people is on your side.
I agree. Both sides should try to be more magnanimous and humble whether they feel their views have been confirmed or not. It only takes a few to engage for a thread to be derailed, though.
That said, I find Ole-out folks more often than not to be anything but supporters, if you think about the meaning of the word. Obviously there will be exceptions, and people who are just airing fair grievances, but some of the outright nonsense that gets spewee is unbelievable. Especially considering the advances we’ve made, that have not been here year on year since Fergie left. The negativity drains me of the desire to engage in the United forum.
They're just old fashioned, I guess.
Might be sat at home watching YouTube highlights and checking out the Football Manager database.
Seriously, though - it's a weird comment. Anyone who's ever been to a football match (in the flesh) would know that it's very different from watching it on TV.
(Not talking about the crowd - but the actual, visual display and what you can and cannot watch in real time).
100% when you factor in the players they have. Do you not?
How about, if you wanna have a discussion, you respond to what I'm actually saying, rather than making up shit and putting it in quotation marks like I said it? If you just wanna "wah wah", you're welcome to. But I'm not getting involved in that.
Yes but most of the time on TV you can follow said things. Occasionally the player will be out of shot but most of the time they will be in. Also your view from the stands is also limited if you are closer to the pitch anyway.
Been to many matches live for many different clubs from Sunday league to the nou camp. There are many things you miss from being there live because of your personal view (unless you have prime seating, crowd noise and generally it's much harder to be objective as you have the opinions of everyone else ringing in your ears. Finally normally alot of the people are drunk anyway so aren't getting a clear understanding of the match. So from my standpoint going to the match has nothing to do with football knowledge
a university degree in football tactics.Exactly, rashfords league debut for instance, you could see how was stretching arsenal's back line all over the place from high up in the stands. You'll not get that from the TV.
You can also see how other attackers will lure defenders and midfielders out of position when not directly involved, the camera will be focused on who has the ball.
I often find that I'm watching what's going on elsewhere rather than the actual action itself.
We have a team full of quality players yet we are having issues playing any type of football that a top club would be playing. This is the type of football you expect from teams fighting relegation 20 years ago. I see better football being played by midtable teams. Ole and his coaching staff will be done by the end of the season if not sooner. They have absolutely no idea how to set up a team and get consistent performance out of the team. Yes, we will have a "Leeds" here and there, but we will also get many performances like Southampton and Wolves.
We do have a very squad. It's great to see what's been built here. A team with potential to be excited by. Seems many can't wait to pull it down though
That simply isn't true.
There's a lot there which will never be caught by the camera (or rather - it won't be shown to the armchair viewer).
Good post. Pretty much exactly how I feel
What I said is only logical, so I don't get the outrage. Obviously, what goes on amongst fans inside the stadium and the local community is more important than what's going on on twitter, Facebook, Oslo or New Delhi. As a foreign, non-local follower of Manchester United myself, I'd never presume that my opinion on anything Manchester United should carry the same weight as those of match going and local fans. It's just a weirdly entitled thing to demand.
Well, to paraphrase the great Jeffrey Lebowski
"That's like, your opinion man"
Yes - I agree with that 100% (see above).
I know plenty of regular match goers whose opinions about football I'd consider worthless (because they're a bit thick and/or usually attend matches after a minimum of six pints).
Ah now I see. Come to think of it there's a great little Saturday league side down the road from me and given the resources...... nah I'm more entertained by United
Is this for real ? Are you saying that foreign fans of United are entitled ? You do realize that pretty much all United fans, foreign or not, have been supporting the club throughout the last whole 8 years who have seen the club finish 7th and 6th multiple times, not challenge for the league or CL once, finishing behind the leader by points gab of anywhere between 17 and 30 points, only won 3 Micky Mouse trophies and watched the likes of Lingard, Pereira, Darmian and some other shit players playing regularly for us and guess what ? They're still supporting the club.
If there were any Glory hunters supporting United they're long gone. There's nothing at United at the moment to attract glory hunters in comparison to say City or Chelsea so to actually describe those United fans who went throughout those shit 8 years to be entitled because they dared to not be convinced with the current manager and from their perspective the club needs better was, is and will always be a ridiculous notion.
It's true the same way players are out of shot of alot of fans around the stadium depending on where they are sat. Unless they are in prime seats.
Dont "both sides" this please. We are all United fans, so if United winning or (God forbid) people fling some praise towards our non-playing staff, and that somehow winds people up, then they might have their priorities mixed up
Just look at the activity in this thread after a win compared to a draw or a loss. The thread is mostly quiet after a win (as it should be, because lets be honest, rating a manager from a game-to-game basis is daft) where as if we had a bad result or even played poorly and won like yesterday, you get about 10 pages in an hour of people whinging
And negativity is worse than positivity, a lot worse. I wanted to be miserable. i'd just put TLC on the telly, not read the Caf
I might, we have done zero in the CL. I think our squad is also much better than Arsenal's, the comparison isn't fair.
We've beaten two tricky opponents and dropped stupid points to an opponent we should have crushed. Minor quibbles with Ole's second half substitutions are justified at this point, but so far we have to be pleased with 7 points out of 9.
You don't have to be in a prime seat to have a view of the whole pitch - in fact, if you don't have some kind of view of the whole pitch, you're in an exceptionally shite seat.
I get what you're saying, of course - but I personally have never had such a shite seat at Old Trafford that I wasn't able to follow the movement of Player X (if I wanted to).
The difference is - obviously - that you simply cannot have a view of the whole pitch in real time when you're watching on TV.
And that the basic (viewing) experience is fundamentally different. When you're at the game, you can choose to focus on whatever player (or part of the pitch) you want to - when you watch it on TV, you're basically watching the ball.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. If you are behind the goal or in the corners or low down towards the pitch its hard to see players at the opposite site unless you have great eyesite. It can be especially hard to see the shape of both teams unless you are high up.
No, they’re just stirring up shit and negativity in every possible thread and making it hard to see the real discussions to be had. That’s why they’re taking over.
Its opinions we are talking about. They are mostly irrelevant all the same. I think, it is pretty weird to even suggest, that opinions carry different values. When you are thick and want to tell me this or that player is useless and I can show you his worth using stats and video clips than who is going to win the argument?!
Obviously people who spent their hard-earned money on trips to away games and produce the terrific atmosphere deserve our appreciation. No issue with that, but that does at no point in time and space mean, that they are more or less right, than anybody else. Seriously that to me has some borderline nationalistic subtones, so I guess I misunderstood you.
Sorry. But I think, it is needed. We aren't in these flame wars since over two years because one side is evil and the other is fighting the honorable war. That just isn't the case. We are on an internet forum with anonymity. The posts here are harmless compared to facebook or twitter.
I also don't get, why some people seemingly feel the need to repeat the same shit over and over at any given opportunity, but that sucks just the same no matter which side is doing it. Ole received unjust criticism early in his stint. And it was the right thing to harshly show support but at this point it has devolved into a selfsustaining circle where people feel the need to defend the manager against simply anything.
I don't know how many newbies will feel the need to repeat the same question "I don't get why some people are so impatient, we have to support the club" over and over and over ad nauseum. To then get congratulated for expressing the same thought for the 1000th time.
I get it, it sucks. But as we have read today: "the ole in'ers are usually the more balanced posters" ... So far so good...
If we all manage to stay more on-topic, the spiral might end sooner than expected. But it won't happen, because this place is full of petty people, no matter if they are for or against Ole.
That's human nature! Haven't you wondered why the Sun is always reporting scandals, mistakes, embarrasments and such?! Because it draws more attention. And it is the same thing here. Undenied - there are people who seemingly come here to relief themselves of the frustration they have in their life. And that isn't good. But this will never stop so better we find a way to just ignore the most blatant shit and discuss as on-topic as possible and adress posters who violate the rules. But just being of different opinion and standing in for it, shouldn't be seen as an issue.
Then maybe save yourself the trouble to go into certain threads after certain performances.
Seriously guys, we are just a bunch of strangers talking about football. No need for crusade for positivity.
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What have you seen differently that makes you think otherwise? Did you watch the games against Southampton or Wolves at all?
I don't see them taking over to be honest. After a poor performance, it is natural that the overall mood isn't the best. Plus there are more materials (tweets, clips, stats) to discuss and after a bad performances, these indicators will point to the bad performance. But there is no way in stopping that.
Install mechanisms to ensure derailing isn't the natural first step. I know that sucks but acting as if there is absolutely no reason to complain is pointless as proven. I totally understand your concern but maybe there is a way the admins could prevent certain things from happening. And I think, derailing a thread is easy to recognize.
Yeah winning domestic cup by finishing 8th is poor. Anyday finishing 2nd or 3rd is better.
No, didn't watch either. Or indeed any games at all. Ever. I form my opinions based on games of pes I played in 2005 and a couple of seasons on champ manager 03 (which I cheated).
In fact, I think we should sack the manager immediately and install somebody from redcafe, especially one that says everything is shit even after a tough win against difficult opposition. Opposition who also pushed spurs to the limit last week. The very same spurs that beat the champions.
I'm sure everything will be fine under the tutelage of the all knowing purveyors of misery.
Or summat.
You said it.
Yes. I wonder after reading this why any one could think some fans are entitled.
There’s a guy here who said we offered him a new contract because we were scared big clubs like PSG would snap him up.
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