Watch any of Ajax games in the CL this season or the games against Juve and Madrid a couple of years ago.
Would you take Conte at United?
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Yeah you are absolutely spot on
2 or 3 attacking stars need to go in the bin anyway. Best case scenario in any balanced system is we use 2 "forwards" (Cavani/Ronaldo/Rashford/Greenwood/Martial), 1 creative attackers (Bruno/Sancho/Lingard), and Pogba in a midfield 2 with the back 3 behind them. It gets the best out of all of them, but obviously we can't play them all. The only coach capable of getting close to producing a miracle and playing them all together would be Pep (but still unlikely), and that isn't happening, so why discuss it?
This.
Our fanbase is okay is discarding players like used tissue after few poor performances but completely opposite when it comes to manager. Just because SAF said about sticking with a manager, it has been taken like gospel by our fanbase. The man was great but he did choose Moyes as his successor.
And won Inter’s first title in 11 years with them, finishing 1 point off the title the year before. Just because Moyes brought Fellaini with him to United doesn’t mean every manager will do it.
He might not play 343 who knows, but if he does, I'd happily see some of our attackers miss out in exchange for a balanced system, than carry on with the chaos we see right now trying to have them all on at the same time, ending up with none of them actually doing anything anyway.
Because short term managerial signings are expensive.
When people analyze the cost of changing managers, it's way more than the 15 odd million you're paying off. Especially in clubs where the manager has all the power- from buying to selling players, a short term manager is never a good idea.
Think about Mou's case (and we know the end for Conte is going to be similar to Mou). The cost of firing Mou wasn't just 19m we paid off. What he had done was signed a bunch of older players (a lot of them flopped). For starters, the next manager would spend 2 summers just trying to clear the mess - irrespective of where the side finished. This is because you can't have all the players in late 20s - early 30s; it's just not sustainable.
Add to that, the wage structure was broken, and you're still seeing the impact today. DDG is on 375k, Pog wants 400k and so on. And these 2 havent been our best players in the last 3 seasons.
And everyone knows deep down that should we hire Conte, we'll end up exactly where we did with Mou. May win a trophy or two but it's not worth the downsides of hiring him.
Don't like the look of these 352 formation lineups people are posting, not one bit.
Dreading this.
Dreading this.
Oh god. Don't tell me they haven't thought about a potential new manager until now. We should always be aware of who could potentially be brought in if we have to sack the manager - not wait until we actually decide to sack him. How do we not have a shortlist of who we want?
Yes he switched to 5 defenders after losing 3-0 to arsenal.
Didn't they also win the FA cup that year? PL and FA cup in 2 year is stuff of our wet dreams.
Why is everything lead back to Mourinho. Mourinho was a shadow of himself before he came here. It's dumb to compare the two.
We need someone to come in and sort our defensive errors out, make us organized. That comes first as you don't win anything conceding goals like we are right now.
Conte would be perfect.
Conte would be perfect.
But the problem is, it's going to be the wingers in the bin. They won't want to play wingback so it's going to be Sancho and Rashford likely feeling the heat. I don't see a situation where they're kept happy. 1 place to rotate across Bruno and Sancho? That's a problem. 2 Places across Cavani/Ronaldo/Rashford/Greenwood? That's a problem.
Martial, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho can all play centrally anyway.
Greenwood would be binned off to Spurs in the summer, when Kane inevitably fecks off somewhere. Far too attacking and direct for Conte and he wouldn't fancy waiting the 2 years until Greenwood is a ready made centre forward.
Yes, in a heartbeat. He’s won the title at the last 3 clubs he’s been at (Juventus, Chelsea and Inter) and rebuilt Italy. Crucially, he’s PL proven and won’t need time to adapt. In fact, he only took 2 losses to adapt in his first time managing in England, which shows the quality of this manager.
We will be playing 3-4-3 or 3-5-2, but I am entirely comfortable with that. Chelsea won the CL playing the former formation, and I’m not buying that he is a defensive manager. He is simply a manager who makes his teams more defensively solid, two statements which have very different meanings. It’s not true that he has no patterns of play either, and us PL fans should know after watching his 93 point title winning Chelsea team. The football was quality, and you don’t get those results anyway without playing actual football and a coherent plan. Otherwise, they’d have ended up like us over these past few seasons.
He wouldn’t be my ultimate first choice after Ten Hag’s Ajax exploits over the past 4 seasons, but in terms of currently attainable managers, he’s right at the top next to Zidane. Having said that, while Zidane’s case is helped by his insane record in Europe, I think Conte is the better fit. Juventus and Chelsea were both in crisis when he took over, finishing 7th and 10th respectively the seasons before. He won both the title instantly and went invincible with Juve, an achievement that needs to be mentioned far more. Hiring him is the closest you can get to guaranteed success no matter how dire the situation is, and he’ll have an even better squad here to have this impact no matter how awful we have been recently. Zidane might also be able to do that, but he hasn’t proven it.
I don’t get the Mourinho comparisons as well, as if it’s supposed to be a negative thing. Yes, he has a similar man-management style, but prime Mourinho managed to even rival Fergie in fighting for major trophies. Conte is also a serial winner who will lead our players with a strong hand, if not a bit autocratic, which is for me just what this young group needs. Don’t tell me Shaw, Rashford, Sancho and Mason won’t benefit from working under this guy. He will also command respect from the likes of Varane, Ronaldo and Pogba, who he brought into Juventus and nurtured, rather than Allegri as is the common tale. It is also untrue that he is finished or always ends up losing the dressing room. He’s ended at each of his last 3 clubs with titles, whether in the league or domestic cup. That, and the fact most of his former players speak glowingly of him, should crush these ridiculous myths.
Get him in. Whether you agree with this post or not, I think we can all come to a consensus that going from Ole to Conte is an indescribable upgrade.
We will be playing 3-4-3 or 3-5-2, but I am entirely comfortable with that. Chelsea won the CL playing the former formation, and I’m not buying that he is a defensive manager. He is simply a manager who makes his teams more defensively solid, two statements which have very different meanings. It’s not true that he has no patterns of play either, and us PL fans should know after watching his 93 point title winning Chelsea team. The football was quality, and you don’t get those results anyway without playing actual football and a coherent plan. Otherwise, they’d have ended up like us over these past few seasons.
He wouldn’t be my ultimate first choice after Ten Hag’s Ajax exploits over the past 4 seasons, but in terms of currently attainable managers, he’s right at the top next to Zidane. Having said that, while Zidane’s case is helped by his insane record in Europe, I think Conte is the better fit. Juventus and Chelsea were both in crisis when he took over, finishing 7th and 10th respectively the seasons before. He won both the title instantly and went invincible with Juve, an achievement that needs to be mentioned far more. Hiring him is the closest you can get to guaranteed success no matter how dire the situation is, and he’ll have an even better squad here to have this impact no matter how awful we have been recently. Zidane might also be able to do that, but he hasn’t proven it.
I don’t get the Mourinho comparisons as well, as if it’s supposed to be a negative thing. Yes, he has a similar man-management style, but prime Mourinho managed to even rival Fergie in fighting for major trophies. Conte is also a serial winner who will lead our players with a strong hand, if not a bit autocratic, which is for me just what this young group needs. Don’t tell me Shaw, Rashford, Sancho and Mason won’t benefit from working under this guy. He will also command respect from the likes of Varane, Ronaldo and Pogba, who he brought into Juventus and nurtured, rather than Allegri as is the common tale. It is also untrue that he is finished or always ends up losing the dressing room. He’s ended at each of his last 3 clubs with titles, whether in the league or domestic cup. That, and the fact most of his former players speak glowingly of him, should crush these ridiculous myths.
Get him in. Whether you agree with this post or not, I think we can all come to a consensus that going from Ole to Conte is an indescribable upgrade.
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It’s become a beggars can’t be choosers moment, but I’m a little worried about his style of play, the way he doesn’t ever use young players, can alienate his senior players and never seems to last longer than 2 seasons at a club. His record in Europe isn’t too big a deal for me because we’re going to be shite in Europe for the next 18 months anyway.
If this tweet has any truth at least the board have bothered to learn a tiny bit about football. Either that or it's coming from SAF who knows what the fans want to see.
Conte is a weird one, his record is great but I have the worst feeling about him coming here.
Ive opened up to the idea of Conte even though he is not my style of manager.
However, I am scared that the PL kind of already get him as its his second round.
Hopefully him redoing it in Italy and winning it with Inter Milant proves that wrong.
Also, I said this before he is 100% going for Haaland if he is here. It's his type of striker, the big bulky type and I don't know about their previous history by maybe that makes Raiola the Italian guy make things work better at United for a transfer.
The thing I don't like is the David Luiz, Ashley Young type of transfers- sure he can make it work but I really don't want him crying about wanting that type of player either.
I wouldn't mind him if he came as there are positives, but I'm at the stage where I'm looking at someone like Ten Hag and looking at minimal negatives instead.
However, I am scared that the PL kind of already get him as its his second round.
Hopefully him redoing it in Italy and winning it with Inter Milant proves that wrong.
Also, I said this before he is 100% going for Haaland if he is here. It's his type of striker, the big bulky type and I don't know about their previous history by maybe that makes Raiola the Italian guy make things work better at United for a transfer.
The thing I don't like is the David Luiz, Ashley Young type of transfers- sure he can make it work but I really don't want him crying about wanting that type of player either.
I wouldn't mind him if he came as there are positives, but I'm at the stage where I'm looking at someone like Ten Hag and looking at minimal negatives instead.
Why? Conte has used a 343 in the past.
He will get ALOT more out of this squad.
You've got it totally wrong. the wingbacks are the solution to the wingers not tracking back like we seen vs. Liverpool. If he plays 343, Rashford & Sancho are safe as houses in that system.
Lets see in this case - I just don't see a system where he can use the wingers here in their traditional roles. I probably haven't seen the 343 system from him, who did he play in this system?
It's all nice and good trying to play attractive football, but what about when the going gets tough?
We needed a Ten Hag a few years ago, and since then we've got the likes of Varane, Cavani, Ronaldo and Fernandes, and our younger players back then are much older now. We need a personality, the time for Ajax's manager is long gone.
How exactly is Conte similar to Jose ? Seriously though. Anyone care to explain ?
If it's true than the board knows nothing about Football, Conte and Mourinho aren't really alike and they also don't exit clubs in a similar way. Mourinho is like Attila, he tries to burn everything on his way out while Conte just leave when he believes that he can't do his job the way he intends to.
I’ve been feeling the same, I would pray for these not to be how we lined up
Okey lets try this Conte line up game 
That line up need at least two class signings imo though. A DM and a RWB. There are also so many issues regarding our bench with Sancho, Greenwood and Sancho all in it. One of the main reasons i dont want Conte. He might need a complete rebuild
---------------------De Gea------------
- ----Varane--Lindelof--Maguire-----
---------------VDB---------Matic----------
Dalot--------------------------------------Shaw
-------------Pogba----------Bruno-----------
--------------------Ronaldo-------------------------
That line up need at least two class signings imo though. A DM and a RWB. There are also so many issues regarding our bench with Sancho, Greenwood and Sancho all in it. One of the main reasons i dont want Conte. He might need a complete rebuild---------------------De Gea------------
- ----Varane--Lindelof--Maguire-----
---------------VDB---------Matic----------
Dalot--------------------------------------Shaw
-------------Pogba----------Bruno-----------
--------------------Ronaldo-------------------------
At this point even I could manage United better.
What is the issue with his teams being defensively sound and well drilled?
Did no one see the state of us the other day?
Did no one see the state of us the other day?
Where the feck are Sancho and RashfordOkey lets try this Conte line up game
---------------------De Gea------------
- ----Varane--Lindelof--Maguire-----
---------------VDB---------Matic----------
Dalot--------------------------------------Shaw
-------------Pogba----------Bruno-----------
--------------------Ronaldo-------------------------
We don't have traditional wingers but inside forwards and Sancho as a wide playmaker that likes to come inside. If anything Conte is one of the few managers that could be perfect for the likes of Rashford, Sancho, Martial and Greenwood. The issue is that we have too many options but it's true in all circumstances.
Also Conte has used almost all the systems you can think about.
During his time here Mourinho as well as miss-pronouncing Contes name, gave an interview where he said, “I don’t get it Conte does the same thing as me, but he gets praised where what I do is not good enough” he was referring to counterattacking football but anyone who happened to be watching the two knew it was night and day between the two styles. Unfortunately it was deep in the Jose is god period and many bought in to that rubbish.
Seems like some of it might still be hanging around.
What do you have against Eddie Howe?
Chelsea had Hazard and mostly Pedro either side of Costa.
This. Mourinho post-Madrid is a nutcase that would insult his players and air dirty laundry in front of the press. At best Conte will simply clash with the board, but he will never slag his players or go into meltdown. If he doesn't think the board is ambitious enough, he will leave on his own volition. But that is not toxic, it is actually the behavior of a winner. And ever since SAF we haven't had one of those.
Gonna be real history repeating when he demands Perisic and the board say no
On the bench in a Conte line up imo. One of the reasons i dont like Conte like i mentioned.
His current team is a mix of older players and young exciting talent and he had to build up again after his team was raided the last two years.
No manager on the market is a sure thing but it would be exciting and quite different with someone Like Ten Hag.
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