isnt that the issue full stop. surely the circumstances that led him into that position carry some weight?
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Letting someone leave the scene after killing two and injuring one feels absolutely insane to me.
it has to be said, some of the posts on this thread do reek of privilege and in these circumstances 'white' privilege.
Guess the misunderstanding (and since various people misunderstood it that's on me) is that I wasn't aiming my comment specifically at the individual trial, but I used this specific trial as an occasion to make a broad, vague, emotional comment.
That comment was aimed at the specter of a fractured society with sizeable, militant, aggressive, hostile and by no means powerless anti-democratic elements, and with no overarching grasp on the kind of fabric of reality that is needed for democratic infrastructure to survive.
And justice that is "blind on the right eye", which is where the allusion comes into it. Which the US system is, too, no fecking ifs and buts.
And I won't need to wait for a successful Nazi coup to dare to make an allusion.. maybe saying "early 1920s vibes" would have been better though.
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Looks like he was having the time of his life.
You might have called him an AfD drone again, I thought that was good value for money.Guess the misunderstanding (and since various people misunderstood it that's on me) is that I wasn't aiming my comment specifically at the individual trial, but I used this specific trial as an occasion to make a broad, vague, emotional comment.
That comment was aimed at the specter of a fractured society with sizeable, militant, aggressive, hostile and by no means powerless anti-democratic elements, and with no overarching grasp on the kind of fabric of reality that is needed for democratic infrastructure to survive.
And justice that is "blind on the right eye", which is where the allusion comes into it. Which the US system is, too, no fecking ifs and buts.
And I won't need to wait for a successful Nazi coup to dare to make an allusion.. maybe saying "early 1920s vibes" would have been better though.
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That's a different issue. Just because the cops are giving preference to white boys doesnt make kyle a murderer. The shot was 100% self defence.
Apologies accepted
Without the shadow of a doubt!
Man, that stung!Yes
I'm happy that you were amused at my costs.
Fortunately for the whole world, my political views and the ones of the AfD differ heavily.I never said this was the same issue. On the contrary, I merely reacted to a user posting about him leaving promptly after the incident with the approval of the police. Which obviously is a completely different issue. And as you can read in this thread, I deemed the verdict the most plausible and justifiable outcome.
It is. Because the crux of the matter is whether kyle was justified for shooting him.
And before the court rules yes or no he's not a victim per se.
Naming him as one means kyle is indeed the perpetrator by default.
Take it to Hull guys.
They should, but apparently didn't. Really does set a worrying precedent for future conflicts
All three were aggressors against Rittenhouse who was fleeing, but naturally I feel sympathy for them since the mob were saying Rittenhouse was an active shooter which they could have reasonably believed. If they were criminal or not will be down to the laws in Wisconsin and since it wasn't a factor in this trial I'm not familiar with it.
They are not victims.
I feel like this won't be the last time I've read those two sentences on the caf. But I feel for you, it sucks that you can't just shoot people, like sweet Kyle did.
Very ironic the guy trying to defend Rittenhouse as innocent, first default is to imply he’s going to shoot someone for insulting him a little..
I didn't insult him at all. Just provoked him by pointing out what buddying up ring to it that use of first names has, and I think it's a valid thing to point out.
It's similar to when that guy murdered those Asian women and the police chief sympathized with him 'having a bad day'..
It was verbal self defense!
It is. It is also very odd that seemingly normal posters here go out of their way to defend a chubby little Trump fan - bloody hell.
Have to agree with a few others who mentioned that the prosecution aimed too high. However given how politicized this trial was going to be perhaps they had no other option, but they did a poor job either way, and based on the evidence permitted it was an inevitable outcome.
Insane, but inevitable. US is fecked, 17 year olds allowed to walk around the streets living out their vigilante fantasies, just imagining the next major protest with all the wannabe copy cats. US police rightly take a lot of criticism, but how do you police this place with deadly weapons everywhere?
Insane, but inevitable. US is fecked, 17 year olds allowed to walk around the streets living out their vigilante fantasies, just imagining the next major protest with all the wannabe copy cats. US police rightly take a lot of criticism, but how do you police this place with deadly weapons everywhere?
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is...
...To contort the legal system in order to re-frame him as a good guy with a gun.
...To contort the legal system in order to re-frame him as a good guy with a gun.
Mate, the fecking judiciary is bent, the government is either right or centre right, there is a fully defined class system, based on race, and the merchant class are using the Internet to groom people. America is fecked.
The first name thing has been weird for me throughout this thread as well, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s mostly been people defending him that are calling him Kyle.
So he doesn't get any sort of penalty whatsoever? Not even picking up leafs for a few days or an 8 hour course on ways to avoid killing people with a rifle?
'Murica is so weird.
'Murica is so weird.
It’s very uncomfortable.
Oh America is fecked, but I wouldn't use this outcome of this trial as a reason for that. If the tables were turned and an antifa dude carried a rifle and "back the blue", maga types or whatever who ended up attacking that guy and the alteration was completely similar, I would still find the antifa guy not guilty.
Would a black boy have made it to Kenosha with a gun without being shot?
It's very clear many in this thread admire Rittenhouse.
Why would a black guy brandishing his gun in a white area be considered as stirring shit up?
Very good question.
How else should normal ordinary people address him? Rittenhouse? Kyle Rittenhouse? The cnut? The accused? So everyone calling him Kyle is a friend of him?
You think a 17 year old should be going to another state, during a riot, with a fecking assault rifle, shooting at least 6 shots, killing two is OK?
No one should be shooting people, and anyone who thinks that's justified is an idiot.
I really hope they don't
The not guilty thing is correct based on the laws yes, but that is the whole reason it is fecked up. 17 year old with an assault rifle, finger on the trigger, dressed as a Call of Duty cosplayer is ok with the law is a very fecked up thing.
I consider the US to be the best place to live (simply due to the extravagant salaries compared to UK) but they really do have some strange laws.
we look across the pond and see how messed up they are and then you go look on the daily mail comments section. (i know its not very scientific sampling...but ffs).
the brexit party was full of batshit reactionary xenophobes and was still polling 20% plus, and that was a few years ago.
someone dismissed comparisons with the weimar republic, but when it comes to it, at least a significant minority of people in the US and the UK, and much of mainland europe would gladly kneel and welcome their new fascist dictator / strongman / anti establishment comedian (from eton).
the brexit party was full of batshit reactionary xenophobes and was still polling 20% plus, and that was a few years ago.
someone dismissed comparisons with the weimar republic, but when it comes to it, at least a significant minority of people in the US and the UK, and much of mainland europe would gladly kneel and welcome their new fascist dictator / strongman / anti establishment comedian (from eton).
and Hitler only had 20% of the cabinet seats in Jan 1933 and yet a few months later we had the acts enabling the leadership to act outside of the german parliment.
Rittenhouse. I’m just saying it’s weird. It’s not often you refer to people by their first name in stories like this, and again I’m just saying that there’s a large correlation between people saying Kyle and people defending him, which suggests to me some degree of viewing him as…I’m not sure what the word I’m looking for here is. A peer? An equal? A comrade? Something along those lines.
A good example of this is that many in here who have been defending Rittenhouse have been referring to him as Kyle, but calling the guys that were shot by their last names. I’m 100% sure there’s something there, even if it’s not a conscious choice being made.
I refer to floyd as george. Armaud as armaud. We indonesians seldom use last name, plus it's just that much easier to type.
And asking is one thing. Implying is another.
I had a master degree on law, even if it's international law. Indonesian and not even black or white. So i have no incentives to glorify him, my stance on gun are well documented here.
I just really dont think he's guilty of defending himself. And just as you all feel strongly about him being on the wrong, so does me finding him innocent at least on the self defence.
That's what forums are for.
Im not just referring to you. If that’s Indonesian custom then fair enough, but there are more people than you here doing it, who are not from there and it seems that they are viewing him as a friendly figure.