Northern Ireland Thread

[Deery]

You seem to label Catholics as nationalist and Protestants as loyalists. Almost like you have some bias yourself.

Scrapping the barrel now.

 

[acnumber9]

Scrapping the barrel now.

The bias is clear and you know exactly what you’re doing.

 

[Deery]

The bias is clear and you know exactly what you’re doing.

Bias is clear that a vile song can’t be condemned without “sure I never hear it” or “whatabout them GAA players”..

 

[acnumber9]

Bias is clear that a vile song can’t be condemned without “sure I never hear it” or “whatabout them GAA players”..

He condemned it by listing more than one example and condemned them all. What would you like? To lie about whether he’s heard it before. This thread leans very heavily toward nationalist and anybody from outside this country reading it will come away with only one perception. And that’s clearly the way you would like it be hence your playing down GAA players as simply nationalists and what you clearly depict as harmless Wolftones songs.

 

[Deery]

He condemned it by listing more than one example and condemned them all. What would you like? To lie about whether he’s heard it before. This thread leans very heavily toward nationalist and anybody from outside this country reading it will come away with only one perception. And that’s clearly the way you would like it be hence your playing down GAA players as simply nationalists and what you clearly depict as harmless Wolftones songs.

Didn’t say they were harmless, where did you read that? I was giving context to anyone reading.

I don’t think this thread is heavily nationalist, it’s clearly evenly mixed.

 

[arnie_ni]

Bias is clear that a vile song can’t be condemned without “sure I never hear it” or “whatabout them GAA players”..

You've misunderstood. What I was saying in my first post, which was unrelated to my 2nd post, was if they punish these people quickly, I don't think this a "popular" song that is sung and could easily be shut down quickly.

Unlike other "normal" hateful songs which are sung all around the country.

 

[Deery]

You've misunderstood. What I was saying in my first post, which was unrelated to my 2nd post, was if they punish these people quickly, I don't think this a "popular" song that is sung and could easily be shut down quickly.

Unlike other "normal" hateful songs which are sung all around the country.

No place for it really, I know a lot of the popular pubs and that have a zero tolerance policy towards Wolf Tone songs and so it should be. I don’t think they should be headlining the Feile either.

But, to be realistic we are never going to cut it out altogether, it’s like football chants, never going to stop it.

 

[sullydnl]

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[arnie_ni]

No place for it really, I know a lot of the popular pubs and that have a zero tolerance policy towards Wolf Tone songs and so it should be. I don’t think they should be headlining the Feile either.

But, to be realistic we are never going to cut it out altogether, it’s like football chants, never going to stop it.

But what I'm saying is this song Inparticular, which targets one specific person and imo is worse than those "general" songs which target groups of people, could be stopped.

I genuinely don't think this song is widespread, nor do the 2 others posters who quoted me.

We will never stop loyalists singing feck the pope and the ira to we are the champions or those gaa boys singing whatever it is they sing, but this song could be stopped in their tracks right now with harsh punishment.

You can see in the video it was only a few boys singing and the rest were hearing it for the first time laughing along hysterically, so I don't think it's commonplace.

 

[arnie_ni]

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Deserved. A few others have been outed as well, they'll all be gone from their jobs.

 

[Rooney24]

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[poleglass red]

that song is a new low. I've heard many a bad song sang in the north from both sides, but that's about as low as it gets. An innocent woman brutally murdered on her holidays. I assume the reason she has been targetted is her connection the GAA via her family. What I hate, and I do see it on my own side as well, is young lads, like some in this video, who obviously were born into peace, they weren't born in to the conflict, yet engage in this filth. You hope it's the drunken mob mentality, where one twat starts a song and everyone blindly follows, that's the only way I'd hope that those that cheered, can explain it. The condemnation has been swift from all sides and rightfully so. It's worrying, this week Pastor, yes that's right Pastor Barrie Halliday posted a horrible bigoted tirade online . It would have looked bad 40 yrs ago never mind now. He starts of talking about the lords day and then ends by giving props to Michael Stone. Worrying trend right now of bigotry seeping back in, it's a small minority granted and I do appreciate it happens on both sides. I think with the protocol, recent elections, united ireland talk, emotions seems to be getting heightened. I normally brush of comments from the likes of Halliday, but its getting ridiculous where a supposed man of god can say, he would have said amen if Stone have of blown up Stormont with all those in it, and yet still people give him props in comments section. Thankfully fbook appear to have taken it down but it's still on youtube.

 

[arnie_ni]

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Is that Jamie byrsons company?

 

[Deery]

But what I'm saying is this song Inparticular, which targets one specific person and imo is worse than those "general" songs which target groups of people, could be stopped.

I genuinely don't think this song is widespread, nor do the 2 others posters who quoted me.

We will never stop loyalists singing feck the pope and the ira to we are the champions or those gaa boys singing whatever it is they sing, but this song could be stopped in their tracks right now with harsh punishment.

You can see in the video it was only a few boys singing and the rest were hearing it for the first time laughing along hysterically, so I don't think it's commonplace.

In common place I mean the culture of singing these types of songs didn’t seem strange at all, maybe not this one in particular but it’s obviously not a new thing.

 

[Rooney24]

Is that Jamie byrsons company?

Yes

 

[Green_Red]

They're not sorry they sang, they're sorry they got caught out.

 

[arnie_ni]

In common place I mean the culture of singing these types of songs didn’t seem strange at all, maybe not this one in particular but it’s obviously not a new thing.

Of course it is, and itl never stop. But this song in particular which is abhorrent, I think could be stopped in its tracks.

 

[Grib]

You seem to label Catholics as nationalist and Protestants as loyalists. Almost like you have some bias yourself.

To be fair, and I've no idea if it was his intention, but nationalist/loyalist is a better term to use when discussing anything political or trouble related given it's not really got anything to do with religion other than people being born into geographic areas.

They aren't being knob heads because they're fighting some holy war based on beliefs relating to god

 

[lsd]

To be fair, and I've no idea if it was his intention, but nationalist/loyalist is a better term to use when discussing anything political or trouble related given it's not really got anything to do with religion other than people being born into geographic areas.

They aren't being knob heads because they're fighting some holy war based on beliefs relating to god

Exactly this has never been a Catholic Protestant thing. There have been significant irish nationalists who were protestant Wolfe Tone springs to kind as does Charles Parnell

 

[cyberman]

Is that Jamie byrsons company?

It was. It was dissolved years ago. This doesn’t make any sense

 

[lsd]

It was. It was dissolved years ago. This doesn’t make any sense

It's Jamie Bryson are you really surprised?

 

[arnie_ni]

It was. It was dissolved years ago. This doesn’t make any sense

Reckon it's a pisstake? He condemned it this morning, would be odd for those boys to then go through him to apologise for their actions and if you were genuine you wouldn't go anywhere near him

 

[acnumber9]

To be fair, and I've no idea if it was his intention, but nationalist/loyalist is a better term to use when discussing anything political or trouble related given it's not really got anything to do with religion other than people being born into geographic areas.

They aren't being knob heads because they're fighting some holy war based on beliefs relating to god

Republican would be the loyalist equivalent. He knows exactly what he was doing.

 

[Deery]

Republican would be the loyalist equivalent. He knows exactly what he was doing.

I said loyalist because it was members of the loyal orange order and nationalist because it was members of nationalist GAA teams, but keep looking for an angle that’s not there.

 

[Grib]

Republican would be the loyalist equivalent. He knows exactly what he was doing.

sure, if you want to pick nits then knock yourself out

 

[Grib]

infact no, thats not even nit picking, just flat out pedantic

 

[acnumber9]

I said loyalist because it was members of the loyal orange order and nationalist because it was members of nationalist GAA teams, but keep looking for an angle that’s not there.

Whatever makes you happy.

 

[acnumber9]

infact no, thats not even nit picking, just flat out pedantic

It’s a clear distinction. And it happens regularly.

 

[Grib]

It’s a clear distinction. And it happens regularly.

There's an obvious question to retort with but I don't care enough to bother getting into something so trivial

 

[lsd]

Republican would be the loyalist equivalent. He knows exactly what he was doing.

Nationalist is the loyalist equivalent

 

[Withnail]

Nationalist is the loyalist equivalent

I think they mean Unionist vs Nationalist as opposed to Loyalist vs Republican but I'm not from the North.

 

[arnie_ni]

Nationalist is the loyalist equivalent

It actually isn't but I'm also not sure deery meant anything by it either

 

[acnumber9]

Nationalist is the loyalist equivalent

No it isn’t. That would be Republican.

 

[Rooney24]

So this video was up from Saturday it seems. And only got taken down when it went viral by people who clearly weren’t supposed to see it.

their apology means feck all. Only sorry they were caught.

 

[Ramshock]

Is that Jamie byrsons company?

thats been defunct for 4 or 5 years

its been a sickening day here

there is absolutely no depth of depravity these cnuts would not sink to

 

[Ramshock]

So this video was up from Saturday it seems. And only got taken down when it went viral by people who clearly weren’t supposed to see it.

their apology means feck all. Only sorry they were caught.

did you see them sing it, every one of them knew it off by heart

 

[Deery]

It actually isn't but I'm also not sure deery meant anything by it either

No you’re right, I didn’t mean anything by it.

 

[Rooney24]

did you see them sing it, every one of them knew it off by heart

well that’s the other thing - it’s clearly been doing the rounds in those circles for quite some time

 

[arnie_ni]

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No you’re right, I didn’t mean anything by it.

Everyone uses the terms as just whatever first comes out of their mouth, but technically the other poster would be correct in what term matches the other

 

[arnie_ni]

thats been defunct for 4 or 5 years

its been a sickening day here

there is absolutely no depth of depravity these cnuts would not sink to

Who specifically is these cnuts? Because it definitely isn't all unionists if that's what you're applying