Utd have an option to extend both players by a year as a +1 year in their contracts and they will do that to stop the players leaving on free transfers.
The successor to David de Gea
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Well, we need someone who can play it out and has a lot of years in front of him.
Oblak is 29, so who else is out there currently? (Not from the Premier League, which has been mentioned already - Bazunu, Raya, Sanchez)
Oblak is 29, so who else is out there currently? (Not from the Premier League, which has been mentioned already - Bazunu, Raya, Sanchez)
Mamardashvilli - Valencia
Vandervoordt - Genk
Lafont - Nantes
Costa - Porto
Meret - Napoli
Lunin - Real Madrid
Tzolakis - Olympiacos
Simon - Athletic Bilbao
Nice list - You watch much football or play much FM?
(Players from Genk, Olympiacos, Bilbao, Nantes are not what people usually watch)Maignan from AC Milan is a great shot stopper, not sure of his other stats.
given up hoping DDG will ever change, and, as I said, Oblak wouldn't be my choice. Emiliano Martinez, Robert Sanchez or even Fabianski would fit a better but, again, I wonder if we could find better. Maybe the World Cup will tell us more...
stories that the club will take up DDG's extension ie give him another year to feck up at United
The rumour mill below is suggesting that we are interested in Martinez. He would probably be the cheapest option..
Manchester United are considering a shock swoop for Aston Villa goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez, according to reports.
I have an insomniac mate who is a complete football nerd and watches the most obscure games you can imagine.Nice list - You watch much football or play much FM?
I get a weekly update on the most exciting players coming through in South America, Asia, Africa and anywhere else he was able to find a game showing at 3am.
The top 2 names on that list are absolute heroes in FM though!
Sign’em up then! Rotate until one of them works and sell the other to the next Nottingham Forest
Maignon from Milan
Football Manager much
Wonder how long Pope's mistakes would be. The most important thing is he was criticised for his distribution more than that one mistake. So in what world is he better than De Gea.
Robert Sanchez looks the obvious choice. But I suspect Meslier is the one we’ll try for.
Can vouch for marmalade.
I don't think it'll be Meslier due to Bout/Lawlor not being in-charge of the recruitment department anymore. The two guys in-charge of recruitment currently are Simon Wells and Argentine, Jose Mayorga, so I wouldn't expect them to come to the same conclusion as their predecessors. Mayorga in particular is a big change and his South American background/knowledge of the region may help us in identifying some reasonably priced players.
This one obviously.
I don't deny that he's poor with his feet, so is DDG. If you look at everything a goalkeeper is supposed to do, organising, claiming crosses, making saves, sweeping etc.
Except for playing with his feet, which they are both poor at that and maybe also reflex saves, which Pope is very good at, he's much better than DDG in every other department.
let's just agree to disagree
Vandervoordt is the best name, I would go for that one...
I like Ter Stegan but I'm not sure we could get him.
De gea should take a pay cut to extend his contract.
He's joining RB Leipzig in 2024.
Pope is far better at coming out and sweeping behind the defenders and giving them an option to pass to, and also far better at dealing with crosses and aerial balls. The actual quality of his distribution is fairly poor and would stop him being suitable for our long-term 1st choice, but in theory I'd happily take him in the short-term over the De Gea we've seen for the last four seasons.
My only worry though is that he has tended to struggle for England, so there are question marks over his ability to handle the pressure he'd have at Utd.
I've never seen him do anything like that at Burnley and that's where he made his name. I don't follow Burnley extensively and have seen them a few times they played us and they are well known for playing low block attrition football(even against teams like them) where there is very limited need for sweeping and Burnley are well known for hoofing pretty much everything upfield.
Yes he may be good at claiming crosses but we haven't faced a serious problem of conceding corners or De Gea being constantly targeted at set pieces.
De Gea is a far better shot stopper than all goalkeepers other than Allison/Ederson. I have seen De Gea making countless saves that the likes of Pope and Henderson can only dream of. So unless we find a goalkeeper who is an excellent sweeper and has good shot stopping abilities, we have to stick with De Gea. No point in wasting money/time in options like Pope.
Robert Sanchez
Get Victor Valdes back.
Sanchez feels the logical one, I see Brighton dropping away and he has all the attributes we could do with. That being said I've not seen a lot of some of the other options discussed.
Ive seen very little of him, Ive seen more of Raya, what's the comparison like? Rayas distribution and sweeping is top tier, Is Sanchez as good in those areas? He's obviously a much bigger guy.
All that is pretty fair although there are some here who see Henderson's confidence/arrogance as a problem. It's not easy to find someone with just the right mix of enough confidence and not enough (this is in no way an attack on what you say). I remember an interview with Gary Bailey a while after his first game at OT where he said he was scared (maybe not quite the word he used) and feared making an awful mistake: his performance on a very, very wet day was faultless
The bold is a common misrepresentation of how Burnley played, I assume mostly based on how they set up against tougher teams which is where most people bother to watch them. In reality they have generally played a much higher defensive line than that in recent years, as you can see on the below.
Which is partly why Pope was the PL keeper with the 2nd most defensive actions outside his box in 21/22 & 20/21, as well as 4th in 19/20. Or if you prefer a more visual representation of just how much Pope swept at Burnley:
David Raya will have one year left on his contract next summer. If he wants to go to Utd then Brentford will surely have to cash in.
Seems a good bet.
Seems a good bet.
As sullydnl pointed out above, that really isn't the case. Pope and De Gea are both at the extremes in terms of defensive actions outside the box, with Pope doing it more than just about anyone while De Gea does it less than just about anyone.
These are their stats compared to all keepers in the top five leagues over the last 365 days:
Nick Pope
De Gea
Pope even comes out more often than Alisson (1.63 times per game - 97th percentile) and Ederson (0.85 times per game - 71st percentile) and comes out a greater distance (18m and 17.1m respectively). Now obviously those two are in teams who dominate the ball so there's probably less chances for them to come out, but Pope is eager to rush out whenever needed. Like I said it's just the quality of what he actually does with the ball that holds him back.
Your point about De Gea's shot-stopping ability was true up until 2018. Since then he has been very very average other than a few months at the beginning of last season. Sure he'll still pull off the occasional world class save, but for every one of them he makes he also makes a mistake and lets in what should have been an easy save. To put it in context, over the last four full seasons he's had +0.00, +0.06, +0.00 and +0.18 in terms of how many goals he saved per 90minutes compared to what the average keeper would be expected to. Meanwhile Pope has had +0.29, -0.05, +0.15 and +0.12 in those same four seasons. So one season where he did disappoint, but otherwise comfortably better than De Gea even in shot-stopping quality.
The only question mark over Pope is whether he'd be able to handle the pressure of playing for us. If he handled that fine then I have no doubt he'd be comfortably better for us than De Gea is. Still not what we'd ultimately want, but a definite improvement in the meantime. Of course now that he's at Newcastle that's off the table; the time to get him would have been before this season started when he was available for cheap.
You guys talk as if we aren't going to renew DDG contract. This club has been giving players like Jones , Martial , Rashford, Shaw, Mata , Lingard new contract with bare minimum performance let alone a first choice GK. DDG will not find any other club who will pay his wage so i don't think he wants to leave anyway , 100% chance of him to stay here.
Robert Sanchez please
Pope has looked shaky enough for England that it's a huge red flag. Goalkeeping for a top side requires a different kind of mentality to at the likes of Burnley. He's not the one that's for sure.
My hope is with Woodward gone; the stupid contract extensions would end.
Every keeper makes mistakes. De Gea has made a tonne for us. It happens. I don't think one mistake means he couldn't step up.
I agree we need to be looking around but are people really resorting to clamouring for Nick Pope????
Mike Maignan at AC Milan, probably the best keeper in Europe just now.
Sa at wolves looked pretty good the few times i've seen him
Is he really all that? I don't watch Brighton very often, but often hear his name touted as a potential candidate for us. From the little I have seen of him, he seems to have a mistake in him. Even today he flapped from a corner that gifted Liverpool a goal. Admittedly, he also made a good save late on from Alexander-Arnold's free kick.