Thank God it's not up to you then. Taking the moral high ground is one thing but people here will push to new ridiculous lengths to show a couple of strangers in the internet how moral they are.
Would you be okay with state or state-backed ownership?
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The thing us though, the west aren't going to cut them off, with Russia an outright enemy we rely on them more for oil and gas than ever. The sportswashing stuff works but it's designed to attract western investment and western tourism.
Now I get their treatment of some people is awful, but do you think closer cultural ties with the west will make that treatment better or worse? Bin salman has changed quite a bit for women, because he needs to, not from altruism. But from desire for closer cultural ties with the west. While older people in these countries likely have entrenched views regarding lgbt people or migrants, younger people who grow up in a country thats closer to more progressive countries are likely to be more progressive. Its distasteful yes, but in the long term the sportswashing stuff is likely to improve things for the oppressed in these countries, it wouldn't work if it didn't
Would be more okay about that than I would be a return for Gr**nwood.
I would be ok with that than another American leeches sucking the life out of the club for decades.
I don't understand why people are here or follow united when they could have had everything they are begging for now years ago at City or PSG. With the Glazers it was the club surviving against apathetic incompetent owners. By the time the Qatari's are done they might as well move the club to London.
People are gas. It's OK to have opinions on what we want for our club, right? Years of dumping on what City have become, then laugh at anyone suggesting they don't want us on the same path. It's not about moral high ground, is it? I mean unless it's the idea of having morals in general that's ridiculous?
accusing people of just wanting the moral high ground if they are not happy about this is pretty tiresome, and it's a lazy argument too. After hating PSG and City with a burning passion for years, it's understandable that a lot of people won't just turn around and act as if that never happened. Has nothing to do with moral high ground.
Those of you who don't care at all about who owns us, good on you. It's not that easy for a lot of other fans.
Those of you who don't care at all about who owns us, good on you. It's not that easy for a lot of other fans.
Kinda same here. All these years we've looked down on those for being such. Now we're one of them.
Plus if we win things again those silverwares won't mean much like our treble or titles in the past. Being proud about those will be like being proud of your talent because you're the CEO of a top firm while in fact your dad is the president.
Why? Those are much worse than MG. If you can live with those why can't you with MG?
You must be in some lucky position then. Good for you. Some folk wouldn’t have that option. I’m not really sure what values have to do with living and working in the Middle East either, but you do you.
I appreciate the sentiment, I do. I agree with it, in truth. But you’ll tie yourself up into a world of hypocrisy with such a lens.
Given that fans have been protesting against the Glazers for 18 years and still going to games, can't they do the same against Qatar?
Bring LGBT flags to games, support human rights protests online etc.
The Qataris can't stop you protesting peacefully in another country, and the PR coverage will be far more damaging to them than it has been to the Glazers (who have no interest in prestige or popularity).
Bring LGBT flags to games, support human rights protests online etc.
The Qataris can't stop you protesting peacefully in another country, and the PR coverage will be far more damaging to them than it has been to the Glazers (who have no interest in prestige or popularity).
We’ll see what is announced on Friday. I have a feeling potential protests of some sort could start before a sale even goes through. I’m not close enough to those fan groups involved in the anti Glazer protests to know what their views are on state ownership though.
As someone who literally lives in the Trafford area, and has a season ticket, I'd be okayany form of repugnant, regressive state ownership if it nets us a shinier stadium, improves the area around OT and helps us win the CL. Besides its not as if its a choice between that and some sort of benevolent, super progressive billionaire.
There are levels to them though, let’s not paint everything black or white.
Yeah there is nothing stopping people from doing this and it should be done when the inevitable happens. The owners aren't the club, and fans can only do so much at the end of the day.
I seriously doubt this. This actually happened to my previous company a few years ago. Worked for an automotive supplier. The company was bought by Dubai World. Nothing else changed, just they were now owned by them. You would then quit this job you were happy at for a few years, just because an owner half way across the world is related to someone/something you don't agree with morally? That's just nonsense.
I don't see any protest getting off the ground, more likely outcome is huge celebration and parties that the glazers have been removed.
This makes no sense. You would be ok being owned by a whole country that abuses women but not allow 1 footballer to do it?
One of our famous terrace anthems states how hollow Chelsea's titles were under Roman and now it'll be us other teams will sing about and people are lapping this up that's mad to me
What’s actually happening on Friday? Have the club said they’ll make an announcement?
When you cheer for the club in the stands, you are cheering for the coaching staff and the players. You aren't cheering for the owner. Ok one hand, you are actively parading and supporting #11. On the other, you are owned by someone within a country where there are male guardianship laws, who we don't know how they are connected to the rulers. Even still, I do think it's important to recognize that there can be good people who try to implement change and progress, but of course some countries are way behind so progress is measured differently. Takes time to change norms of a country.
Also, a country having laws that don't have equality is much different to an individual actively assaulting someone.
This is a strange one, United fans have generally been hostile to potential takeovers of their club. There were protests in the 80's when Maxwell tried to buy United. Same again when BSkyB launched a takeover in the last 90's and obviously the protests when the Glazers did manage to buy the club in 2005, protests that continue to this day.
But having spent the best part of 2 decades wanting the Glazers out, if the news becomes official that they are leaving and selling up. I reckon some people might find it strange to immediately start protesting against potential new owners and campaigning for their removal. Though I have no doubt some will.
Soft deadline for bids to be in. Probably nothing substantial. Not when bids are accepted or even final structure of bids or anything.
Yeah the regeneration is appealing. The city has changed so much since I was a kid. Loads derelict parts of centre are being regenerated. NOMA, Redbank, Mayfield et al were just derelict land and now they're being developed. I'd love that to extend around the stadium. Strangeways and all...now that area has been left to rot. Full of crime. Apparently they're some plans put in place. @Wumminator
Thats some weird twisted logic. If this is true then why not let the Russians back in.
It's not. I wouldn't work for a dictator or a dictatorship state. The physical distance to where the regime executes it's crimes against human rights or their people's freedom doesn't matter, the half across the world argument is extremely lazy and dangerous. Why should anyone care about injustice happening outside their own neighborhood then? From my high horse I can also mention that I would never work for a company that produces weapons/ammunition either. Those are the little things I can do from where I live in a country where we take peace, freedom and human rights for granted.
If you think putting people who disagrees with you, believes in a different god than you, have a different sexuality than you or dresses in a fassion you don't approve of in jail is a moral issue and you don't have a problem with the concepts "dictatorship/absolute monarchy" I guess we don't have much to discuss. These things are just fundamentally wrong on all levels.
I don't want them as owners but I recognize that living/growing up in a country with more archaic rules doesn't make you a bad person. For all I know, they may be trying to move things forwards. But my point anyway was that simply being owned by whoever from Qatar is less bad than actively bringing Greenwood back and cheering for him, after knowing what he did.
Just because we are owned by the glazers, does that mean you cheer for the glazers? Of course not. The club goes on. The club is separate from the owners. The owners are just some rich ass who owns the club in that period, but they don't define the club like the players and manager do.
Of course not, but we are not talking about the people of Qatar. They have done nothing wrong. We are talking about the the royal family or the dictator rulers of Qatar who are making a bid for this club. People who are clinging to their power and wealth by oppressing their people and putting any opposition in jail.
Out of interest who is they in this scenario?
Ok so if whatever company you work for currently, let's assume you worked there for 10 years and it was a great job in a tough economic period, would be hard to find another job etc, you are saying if this branch was part of a global company which got taken over by a group from Dubai (or another from there), that you would quit said branch? Even if the name didn't change, none of the workers of this branch changed?
Fair fecks to you. I would say it is far easier to say it than actually do it, especially when you live the situation and notice absolutely no change whatsoever. It's like an automotive assembly plant, I used to work for the Chrysler plant in Windsor here in Canada. There was feck all difference between them being Daimler Chrysler, Fiat Chrysler or Stellantis now. So by the same logic, I just wouldn't quit my job that I was happy in for a while because that didn't change. Something irrelevant to my job changed way above my branch, where my branch had no say in anything, where the company was now just underwritten by DP World (like very many supply chain companies, as they are the 3rd largest in the world apparently...). But fair play I guess for being that steadfast in your morals that you would quit your career job that you are happy/stress free in when it may be tough to find another one and you have a family to help support. Hope you also ensure that you have nothing to do with any of the ports that they own around the UK or the world!
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/turn-the-caf-green-and-gold.457837/page-6#post-27119136
Moved the thread here to make sure we’re on topic. Here you can see the poster in question justifying the murder of a journalist critical of the state. So yes, it was true.
If the club are signed by a nation - of course the club isn’t separate from the owners IMO. Do you not think of PSG and City’s owners when you think of their success?
Tbh I have no idea who is actually this person buying the club. Nor do I know much into the specifics of Qatar vs Saudi vs Dubai vs Abu Dhabi. I got a brief synopsis from a friend who grew up in Dubai and he claims that Qatar is the "least bad" of those ME states so there is that at least.
But politically speaking, I do get the feeling that a lot throw some of the Emirates and Qatar into the same boat as Saudi which probably isn't fair from the bit I know. I disagree with state backed ownership regardless, but also important not to generalize and that if we are taken over, there are ways we can protest just like we protest the Glazers.
I do always think that every country progresses socially over time, some are starting from a lower point and they will always be catching up to others who are more progressive, and others will always be pissed at the ones further behind, whether they have a leader who is making some steps (that are deemed insufficient by others) or not. Kinda like a view that western countries will forever look down on middle Eastern countries and think they are archaic even if they are progressing in their own way in their own time.
Yeah. At the end of the day we have no choice who we get. If they're good owners I'll begrudgingly accept them.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/turn-the-caf-green-and-gold.457837/page-6#post-27119136
Again - keeping it in the right thread.
I'm a United supporter so my view on those clubs is bollocks. Ask a City fan who was a supporter before the takeover if the previous club still exists or if it is dead and replaced by a sportswashing entity.
Are United defined by the Glazers? Do you support the Glazers if you support United? It's just some rich cnut who owns us for a certain period of time, and it's outside of our control. I hope it doesn't happen even if I'm resigning myself to the inevitable, but either way I won't stop watching nor will I think United = Qatar. ManUnited will still be Man United, just like we were long before the Glazers took over and will be after the next owners.
Fair enough mate.
Where did I justify it ?
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I know plenty of City fans who have stopped going to the games because it doesn’t mean as much as before. I know plenty of lads who will stop going to United.
United will represent Qatar. We will have them on our strips, we will be playing over there we will become synonymous with them. Just like City are now. And as for a reflection of their fan base - they’ve just unfurled a new banner of Boris Johnson’s lawyer because he’s representing them in an issue where everyone knows they’ve cheated.
I get to you it’ll mean more - but surely you can see how that doesn’t pan out? Does anyone think PSG or City’s success is anything other than due to money?
I’m sure if they come in and bring us Mbappe and Bellingham people would soon change their tune if they’re against them taking over.
well for a start - I don’t know what the first part of your post is about.
second of all - the evidence of what you said is right there. Let people read that and make their own mind up about your morals. Your accusations of me being islamophobic yesterday is absolutely outrageous and I imagine you’ll soon be banned from the board for some of your takes.