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don't they have one in Jesus?If they get a striker they will be in business next year.
don't they have one in Jesus?If they get a striker they will be in business next year.
Even better advert for xpts then to be fair. Very interesting to see Brighton in there - highlights quite how important a goalscorer that doesn't underperform their xg can really be, because given how well they've played and that they've done us home and away (and rightly so) it's pretty hard to argue with.xG has Man City in first and Arsenal in second... isn't that a better measure?
Unless my final table is wrong it shows us in 2nd on xpts as well. Man Utd is actually down to 6th it looks like.
https://understat.com/league/EPL
His injury aside, he only managed 11 goals in 33 appearances, which won't be enough for them. They would be wise to upgrade, which would also give them more rotation options should someone go down.don't they have one in Jesus?
he seems to like the mobile forwards like what they had at city when he worked under pep....but i certainly could see them going after someone in the summer like Thuram or Kolo MuaniHis injury aside, he only managed 11 goals in 33 appearances, which won't be enough for them. They would be wise to upgrade, which would also give them more rotation options should someone go down.
I think there's a lot of dead wood in their squad that could be upgraded (finances permitting of course). If they can sign a proper striker and midfielder, they will be in good shape next year, especially with Saliba returning. They do need to shed the delusion that Partay is good as Casemiro, which may already have happened given their interest in signing Rice.he seems to like the mobile forwards like what they had at city when he worked under pep....but i certainly could see them going after someone in the summer like Thuram or Kolo Muani
the one that puzzles me is Smith Rowe and how he's going off the boil when he was a prime player for them two seasons ago
got a kick out of that myself with all this talk of Partey being on the same level as Casemiro....delusions of grandeur on their partI think there's a lot of dead wood in their squad that could be upgraded (finances permitting of course). If they can sign a proper striker and midfielder, they will be in good shape next year, especially with Saliba returning. They do need to shed the delusion that Partay is good as Casemiro, which may already have happened given their interest in signing Rice.
They are different players for different styles of play and systems, so I dont think its accurate to compare them really.got a kick out of that myself with all this talk of Partey being on the same level as Casemiro....delusions of grandeur on their part
i think arsenal and united are in similar positions this summer that with the right signings, they could make for legit challengers next season
We're on a Utd forum mate, so the only conceivable thing that can happen is that Utd will get better and everyone else will get worse.Why do United fans say that?
I'm pretty sure we are gonna get top 4 next season too, pending squad additions and no exodus of 1st team players.
Title challenge? nah....
United were 2nd in 2020/21 and finished 6th last season.Why do United fans say that?
I'm pretty sure we are gonna get top 4 next season too, pending squad additions and no exodus of 1st team players.
Title challenge? nah....
You won’t finish Top 2 next year, I’m happy to wager that with anyone.Why do United fans say that?
I'm pretty sure we are gonna get top 4 next season too, pending squad additions and no exodus of 1st team players.
Title challenge? nah....
Not really. This forum gives you lot far more bandwidth than I personally think you deserve, you’ve had a good run of form surrounded by mediocrity - the assumption you will regress to a rather large example of your mean is fair.We're on a Utd forum mate, so the only conceivable thing that can happen is that Utd will get better and everyone else will get worse.
That's stretching the definition of the word "form" pretty far. In 21/22 we missed out on CL football on the final game of the season. In 22/23 we were comfortably the second best team in the country. Obviously it's possible that we could fall out of contention for the top four next season, but 76 games isn't form - that's the our current level.You won’t finish Top 2 next year, I’m happy to wager that with anyone.
Not really. This forum gives you lot far more bandwidth than I personally think you deserve, you’ve had a good run of form surrounded by mediocrity - the assumption you will regress to a rather large example of your mean is fair.
No one mentioned United, who after 1 season under EtH shouldn’t be expected to do much anyway.
Didn't some Arsenal fan post that this second half of the season was the same as any other halves Arsenal had, only 2022-23 first half of the season was outlier in Arteta's career?That's stretching the definition of the word "form" pretty far. In 21/22 we missed out on CL football on the final game of the season. In 22/23 we were comfortably the second best team in the country. Obviously it's possible that we could fall out of contention for the top four next season, but 76 games isn't form - that's the our current level.
I dunno, you tell me. Did they?Didn't some Arsenal fan post that this second half of the season was the same as any other halves Arsenal had, only 2022-23 first half of the season was outlier in Arteta's career?
Yes, someone posted it on Arsenal forum and it was copied here. Out of 7 halves, 6 of them followed same pattern with only one being different. Every reason to believe 6 halves are true level than one outlier.I dunno, you tell me. Did they?
It's true, though. We put up 50 points. The record is 55 points. That was achieved by Pep Guardiola 10 years into his career. Of course 50 points is the outlier half season in Arteta's career... he's three and a half seasons in.
Midfielder and center defender are the first two priorities before another striker. When Saliba went down there was a noticeable differences in defensive solidity especially in the 3 draws that preceded the City match. Striker would be good but not as important as those two positions especially with the CL on the table. Ideally, of course, all three positions are signed and some more depth is added, it would be nice to add a veteran somewhere who has tons of experience like Casemiro for United.I think there's a lot of dead wood in their squad that could be upgraded (finances permitting of course). If they can sign a proper striker and midfielder, they will be in good shape next year, especially with Saliba returning. They do need to shed the delusion that Partay is good as Casemiro, which may already have happened given their interest in signing Rice.
What's more likely is that future half seasons (seeing as that's the metric that suddenly seems to matter) will fall somewhere in between one of the best in PL history and a more modest points total. Arteta's track record is this:Yes, someone posted it on Arsenal forum and it was copied here. Out of 7 halves, 6 of them followed same pattern with only one being different. Every reason to believe 6 halves are true level than one outlier.
There might be other reasons like he was cleaning the squad, building his team and all that but his second half of the season followed the other 5 halves. So who knows which Arsenal turns up next season, the 6 halves Arsenal or the 1 half Arsenal.
I agree that midfield and defense are far more of a priority than striker. We lost Jesus and barely missed a beat. We lost Saliba / Tomiyasu and completely crumbled. Partey was fantastic for the vast majority of the season. However, a couple Italian clubs are rumoured to be in for him. And while I believe in due process, I think it may be in everyone's interests for him to move on.Midfielder and center defender are the first two priorities before another striker. When Saliba went down there was a noticeable differences in defensive solidity especially in the 3 draws that preceded the City match. Striker would be good but not as important as those two positions especially with the CL on the table. Ideally, of course, all three positions are signed and some more depth is added, it would be nice to add a veteran somewhere who has tons of experience like Casemiro for United.
Second half of this season, Arsenal are 4th, if we go by points per game, then they might be 5th of 6th too.What's more likely is that future half seasons (seeing as that's the metric that suddenly seems to matter) will fall somewhere in between one of the best in PL history and a more modest points total. Arteta's track record is this:
That averages out to 4.5 over his tenure. And that's ignoring the upwards trend in his full seasons (8th - 5th - 2nd) and the fact our young squad is likely to improve rather than deteriorate with each passing season.
- 5th
- 7th
- 8th
- 4th
- 5th
- 1st
- 2nd
Of course, it could still all go tits up. I just don't really get the reasoning behind the assumption that it automatically will.
I'll defer to your figures. I was using 1x2stats.com as my source, but that may be incorrect. I'm pretty certain about these ones, though.Second half of this season, Arsenal are 4th, if we go by points per game, then they might be 5th of 6th too.
Arsenal got 34 points in 19 games, Villa and Newcastle got 33 and 32 points in 1 game less.
2022-23 is wrong, maybe you are counting pre and post world cup as half of the season. I went with 19 games.I'll defer to your figures. I was using 1x2stats.com as my source, but that may be incorrect. I'm pretty certain about these ones, though.
We finished 8th in his first season, but we were bottom half when he took over. We would have been 5th based on his matches alone.
- 20/21 - 8th
- 21/22 - 5th
- 22/23 - 2nd
I think solidifying ourselves in the top four next year is a realistic aim. I'd love for us to challenge for the title. Actually winning it would require us to strengthen our squad considerably. But who knows, it might happen.
Fair play. That seems intuitively right, anyway.2022-23 is wrong, maybe you are counting pre and post world cup as half of the season. I went with 19 games.
In the second 19 games, Arsenal got 34 points in 19 games. That puts them in 5th place in points per game behind City, Liverpool, ManUtd, Villa.
My comment is a bit in jest anyway. We're on a Utd forum, of course it's going to have a Utd bias, I'd be pretty stupid to expect otherwise. I just find all the bold predictions a bit pointless just now.You won’t finish Top 2 next year, I’m happy to wager that with anyone.
Not really. This forum gives you lot far more bandwidth than I personally think you deserve, you’ve had a good run of form surrounded by mediocrity - the assumption you will regress to a rather large example of your mean is fair.
No one mentioned United, who after 1 season under EtH shouldn’t be expected to do much anyway.
I think there's a lot of dead wood in their squad that could be upgraded (finances permitting of course). If they can sign a proper striker and midfielder, they will be in good shape next year, especially with Saliba returning. They do need to shed the delusion that Partay is good as Casemiro, which may already have happened given their interest in signing Rice.
i didn't do it mate your own supporters have been doing it all seasonThey are different players for different styles of play and systems, so I dont think its accurate to compare them really.
Partey is a press resistant player, able to hold the ball and move it efficiently to help Arsenal maintain their possession and momentum on the pitch.
Casemiro is more of an interceptor and good reader of the game, who gives United an ability to recover the ball, combine and build their counter attacks.
You rate the one higher, based on what you want your team to do.
Well Saliba is back so that takes care of the deficiency there. Striker is more important imo because if you're Arsenal and you're trying to catch City next year, you're not going to do that with a striker who may knock in about 15-20 goals all year, at a time when Haaland is scoring upwards of 50 for City. The dynamic for all clubs chasing City has therefore now changed to where a high scoring striker will be essential for any club with realistic title aspirations. This applies to United as well, which is why going after the likes of Kane and Osimhen makes all the sense in the world.Midfielder and center defender are the first two priorities before another striker. When Saliba went down there was a noticeable differences in defensive solidity especially in the 3 draws that preceded the City match. Striker would be good but not as important as those two positions especially with the CL on the table. Ideally, of course, all three positions are signed and some more depth is added, it would be nice to add a veteran somewhere who has tons of experience like Casemiro for United.
It doesn't at all because the deficiency is in depth at CB. With European football being added plus the possibility of injury, it's essentially to get in a reliable third CB for rotation and injury. The priority should 100% be CB and Mid before a striker but as I said, a striker is definitely 3rd or 4th most important. Have to see how much the club is willing to invest, a problem which you won't have.Well Saliba is back so that takes care of the deficiency there. Striker is more important imo because if you're Arsenal and you're trying to catch City next year, you're not going to do that with a striker who may knock in about 15-20 goals all year, at a time when Haaland is scoring upwards of 50 for City. The dynamic for all clubs chasing City has therefore now changed to where a high scoring striker will be essential for any club with realistic title aspirations. This applies to United as well, which is why going after the likes of Kane and Osimhen makes all the sense in the world.
Way too early to say, but don't really get this at all.arsenal wint get top4 next year imo. it will be city and newcastle liverpool and us.
You're not going to catch City in the league by adding a CB. A more likely scenario would be that Arsenal plummet from 2nd to 5th next year with Liverpool, Newcastle, and a resurgent Poch-led Chelsea competing for top 4.It doesn't at all because the deficiency is in depth at CB. With European football being added plus the possibility of injury, it's essentially to get in a reliable third CB for rotation and injury. The priority should 100% be CB and Mid before a striker but as I said, a striker is definitely 3rd or 4th most important. Have to see how much the club is willing to invest, a problem which you won't have.
To be fair, he didn't say just a centre back. I've no doubt we'll spend a decent amount, we'll buy 3 or 4 very good players. However, I'm not sure 1 will be a striker and I actually suspect you could be right, that ultimately we'll need a top level striker if we want to really compete consistently.You're not going to catch City in the league by adding a CB. A more likely scenario would be that Arsenal plummet from 2nd to 5th next year with Liverpool, Newcastle, and a resurgent Poch-led Chelsea competing for top 4.
This shows United have missed the most huge chances. That holds good for us, similar to Klopp's first full season.xG has Man City in first and Arsenal in second... isn't that a better measure?
Unless my final table is wrong it shows us in 2nd on xpts as well. Man Utd is actually down to 6th it looks like.
https://understat.com/league/EPL
Didn't Man Utd finish with a +15 GD? compared to Arsenals +45!? I know which club I would bet on to fall out of top 4.arsenal wint get top4 next year imo. it will be city and newcastle liverpool and us.
Why would they plummet? such a talented young squad. They will certainly finish above Utd, Chelsea and Spurs. I fancy Liverpool to have a strong season, and obviously the cheats will be right up there likely 1st.You're not going to catch City in the league by adding a CB. A more likely scenario would be that Arsenal plummet from 2nd to 5th next year with Liverpool, Newcastle, and a resurgent Poch-led Chelsea competing for top 4.
Chelsea have a talented squad as well. And as we’ve seen before, finishing 2nd doesn’t mean you finish first the next year. You could easily finish 5th, depending on how much the competition have improved.Why would they plummet? such a talented young squad. They will certainly finish above Utd, Chelsea and Spurs. I fancy Liverpool to have a strong season, and obviously the cheats will be right up there likely 1st.
City only scored 6 goals more than us. We scored 88 goals. A full 30 more than the team directly below us in 3rd. A lot of these posts read like trying to will our downfall into existence.You're not going to catch City in the league by adding a CB. A more likely scenario would be that Arsenal plummet from 2nd to 5th next year with Liverpool, Newcastle, and a resurgent Poch-led Chelsea competing for top 4.