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Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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Pedulla is addicted now after getting so much attention in Onana’s transfer. United fans got him hooked, he’s after every united transfer even if it’s between two English clubs involving a Scottish player.
After Casemiro was bedded in he basically never played for us in the league barring the replacement starts during the suspension, and he rarely played otherwise in any other different role. But yes I misworded my post, I more meant he isn't relied upon as an active contributor past "depth" in a position where we literally have no other options past our starter.
I mean we've turned down several offers at this point though, this isn't me or anyone else getting pissy because we rejected a 10m bid. Turning down 60m for the pair in the hopes we get 70m, when the actual effect it will have on our club/business is negligible.
I will admit it's risky but noises from tier 1 Utd sources suggest they are still interested
No chance of us getting Lavia, cuz too much money and we already have a youngster in mainoo who will need minutes. But I really really like him.
Maybe we should go after Andre to supplement midfield if scousers don't want him
No idea at all. None would be cheap for us most likely. I prefer promoting Hannibal.
I haven't seen enough to really say (though Amrabat looked quite comfortable - if unambitious - on the ball against West Ham in that final) but yeah, profile-wise (young french mobile CB and the starting DM for a UEFA level team in Serie A and World Cup Semi-finalist in his prime but not the kind of player who is so highly rated he won't be okay as 2nd choice to Casemiro)
Because he was injured.
Or let Mainoo have a chance of breaking into the first team.
Fred was exclusively used higher up the pitch when Eriksen was out, and McTominay was used exclusively deeper when Casemiro was out.
They weren't in competition for the same place.
Yeah it seems as though West Ham/Moyes are infatuated with the pair. Hopefully this gets done soon so we can move on and get Amrabat/Todibo in without too much fuss
Mainoo has already be part of the first team squad and will definitely play his part. Really looking forward to it. Well, he needs to fully recover first.
People have been saying this for years now. When do people admit he's a poor player who overperformed for a few years at Leicester, and not a good player who's struggling?
Yes 35 plus addons (bonuses)
Scott McTominay is a better footballer than Declan Rice.
Finally, a relatable thread title!
in what world
I believe that too. Rice is better defensively but I’d rather have Scott with the ball at his feet than Rice.
That's ridiculous and I doubt there are any stats to back that up.
Yup.
Scott with the ball at his feet is an abomination. Can barely pass to a teammate.
The funny thing is his errors are just more easy to spot in a team like United’s who dont sit back a lot. At Leicester (and West ham possibly) he fitted in as his job was to defend a tight space for a team that sat back and cleared the ball a lot. (A City game springs to mind where he looked like Maldini).
The times at Leicester where he had to deal with counter attacks and pacy footballers with space, he did the exact same mistakes as he does here at United.
I agree. Better passer and going forward.
If Rice is worth 100+ then McTominay is definitely worth 40m.
Hope West Ham will read this and bite...
He was a decent player, who got elevated way above his actual level due to some WC performances. He was never good enough for a CL club, but making him captain and the world's most expensive CB, was next level insanity. Someone like Gary Cahill was a far better player, and he himself wasn't an elite level CB.
You don’t need stats, use your eyes. Rice is bang average when not in a defensive structure.
You don’t have to run to stats for every little point
Not sure I said anywhere he was great or even good with the ball at his feet?
Looks like West Ham are closing in on Alvarez. Does this affect the potential McT transfer?
No, they need more midfielders...
Cool.
My eyes tell me he's much better on the ball than McTominay and I don't even rate him very highly.
We'll see how Rice will perform in an attacking team because before this season we didn't have any data to judge him on.
But your eyes tell you that McTominay is better with the ball at his feet? He's a vastly inferior passer who tends to not get on the ball anywhere near as much, the stats will tell you that but your eyes should also. One thing McTominay does have is he's got a decent shot on him from range plus his other attributes which include being a good athlete.
Agreed, his best attribute is his engine, should tell you everything you need to know. Not sure how anyone can watch Rice and think he's inferior to Scott.
McT is best when he doesn't have any defensive responsibilities. If he is given the freedom to roam up the pitch, he can be a handful.
We can get 40 to 45 million for Scotty. Maguire not so much.
Just read that West Ham is looking to increase both offers today.
I retract every bad word I ever uttered against Moyes. He’s moving my heart right now
I retract every bad word I ever uttered against Moyes. He’s moving my heart right now
Pretty much.
Rice has been overvalued, even by standards of today's crazy market, but this is way off. The level this puts Scott at is at least 2, maybe 3 tiers above his actual baseline.
Sad thing is that there are enough people involved in decision-making around club that actually think he's at that level, despite swathes of analysts, from youtubers to pros with higher degrees in player analysis, being able to point out exactly why he's average for a PL player, even slightly below average in key areas like positioning/anticipation, taking the ball in tight areas, spotting a pass, tackling (his tackling technique is pretty shonky for a box to box battler). He's a good runner, decent striker of a ball, pretty good in the air and like most PL midfielders can ping a pass with a certain degree of accuracy across the percentages when not under significant pressure. But he's been elevated above his level in terms of number of games, time at the club as a 1st team player and so on, which means he's being over-valued. Other clubs don't have this sentimental attachment to him, so they can look at strengths and weaknesses more coldly.
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