Yeah the media getting involved and causing a witchunt pushed Utd into a corner and they just surrendered to it by going back on their plan
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Shit that was okay 30 years ago is not okay anymore, and that's a good thing, that's progress.
There are statues of people who had slaves and who were beating their slaves whenever they felt like it. It is not okay anymore, and that's a good thing, that's progress.
Do you not condemn him based on the Audio and photograph evidence against him?
I never said that people should not have a personal opinion on the matter. But I do not like the tone the Athletic took . If the club after a thorough investigation felt they could bring him back after looking at vast amount of evidence by comparison to what the public saw and heard and there were either discrepancies or that evidence did not articulate the full picture of incidents, then I do trust it.
I felt the the publication in question acted as judge, juror and executioner.
No, that is not your entire point. You didn't say that the prosecution couldn't prove the accusations beyond a reasonable doubt, you said that they've decided he didn't do it. These are extremely different things, what you said is not true. You also said that the prosecution doesn't think the accusations "hold water", which is another untruth. You then said that the public is making up their minds with "no information beyond hearsay", which is yet another lie. In fact, I can't think of a single piece of hearsay from this case, what were you referring to there?
First they came for GifLord, and I did not speak out…
Feck me, the tripe people come out with to hide their true thoughts
100% agree.
Anyone who has been in a position of managing an organisation will know that it's a no-win situation that firstly is not of the making of the club to start with.
Anyone with hindsight; those lacking all the information will naturally criticise the decision or find fault in it.
Yeah real shame he ended his Utd career too soon by getting involved in something terrible
Richard Arnold's Mason Greenwood letter – what he said and what he meant
The Manchester United chief executive's open letter revealed plenty about the thought process that went into the Greenwood decision
The Manchester United chief executive's open letter revealed plenty about the thought process that went into the Greenwood decision
They are both young and people make mistakes so assume it could boil down to that for him. They were both 19 or so when this all went down?
The charges were dropped by key people involved in the case, for whatever reason.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the evidence was edited/tainted. That is how courts and criminal proceedings work and how evidence is mobilised to inform a conviction. From a moral standpoint, Greenwood's own values are very much in question and he isn't fit to represent this club.
Your missing a major point here though, they were both really young at this point. It has been noted in this thread they were both apparently really bad with each other. Who's to say they didn't want their private life being published and they stupidly thought it would just go away? The whole situation has been a mess from the get-go so I don't know how people can just brush things off as "idiotic".
I thought it was a friend of his partner who posted the ‘evidence’ and allegations? Didn’t his missus try and pass it off as a hack? I remember her being distraught about it becoming public at the time.
Please share backing that audio was edited.
I hate to beat on a dead horse here, but surely the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp situation should make people wary of believing everything they see on the internet? The audio was 50 seconds of a ~12 minute recording, and photos which haven't been scrutinized in any way don't mean anything. Consider the fact that you can get ChatGPT to write you a song, and then you can get another AI program to perform the song in nearly anyone's voice these days. With that in mind why would anyone believe half the shite that's posted on the internet. And I'm not saying they were fake or altered or whatever. Just that I don't believe everything at first glance.
A potential way back?
Feck sake Mason why couldn't you have just kept your head down. People able to finish with both feet is unique but like Ravel have flushed Utd and England career away
It's a sad case all-around, but unfortunately he won't be the last talented youngster to throw it all away.
Be absolutely gutted if he went to them two
Delighted with Adam Crafton's work saving the club from scum. The Athletic has earned a lot of extra subscribers from what I'm reading on Reddit. Great news for brilliant journalism and reporting. Really important work.
Bit harsh to call it 'idiotic', its probably not true but it's absolutely a valid point of discussion.
I do see some moronic takes in this thread but I don't see anything wrong with that particular post. The fact is that no one here knows what exactly happened and the statements today have thrown out a lot of questions so only natural that people might think about different possibilities.
Sounds very much like Greenwood's partner is not wanting any public reveal of further details (understandable) since she even retains her right to anonymity (which is strange in itself since I'm sure most United fans know exactly who she is).
As to your questions of logic - again only Greenwood and partner know the reasons, perhaps with a new born baby to think about they just want to put this whole episode behind them.
Ive not followed the whole thread but, from the parts I've read, the discussion here seems pretty reasonable with some notable exceptions.
I'm not surprised in the slightest,we have lost a brilliant talent who is irreparable unfortunately
No, because based on " new information" that came to light during the police investigation. I am not qualified to pass judgement.
Like, I have said in previous posts, I have experienced people act in volatile ways and have said some horrific things. I do not condone it, it is indeed horrific. But I continue to take the stance of getting to root of issues. Why do people act in this manner? Mental health, anger management etc.
I sincerely say this with honesty, I have had property destroyed and sustained injuries due to domestic issues as well as the person I speaking about self harming. The person in question was not prosecuted as it was based on this person suffering mental health issues.
Mason Grenwood was only 19-20 years of age when these incidents may have occurred. Similar to the age of the person I am discussing here. I do not expect people to understand, but I will you this after the police would come round on various occasions , the worst thing was the attitude I got from them that delineated "thank God he has to deal with this and not us."
For the record, I do think Caroline Flack should have been prosecuted for the physical she supposedly inflicted either.
Yeah buckled due to media backlash
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
I do agree there's more visibility coming from social media platforms. But you must also be careful not to disregard generally more progressive public opinion since the 90s and even early 2000s. You only have to look at the Me Too movement to know how awful it has been for women for decades (actually centuries) dealing with the aggressions sexual in nature or not of men, especially those in power and how it has typically gone the way of women not believed or ignored.
Except in the case of white women against black men, which has a whole another dimension in the US.
Interesting timing to see the absolutely disgusting and shockingly open scene at the women's world cup trophy presentation. He of course will get a finger wagging and be done with.
And as a note on Greenwood, I might have leaned on the racial undertones in looking at the dialogue and public opinion except for the video evidence. Even if it were a mutually toxic relationship and even if there were circumstances that mitigated the extremeness of what many of us saw and heard (seems like a lot of people didn't), it's entirely unacceptable to me today as a grown man versus when I was a kid , when Keano was doing his thing. And if you're saying he's got a history then feck him too.
The masses’ desire to be judge, jury and executioner to another human being is a result of disempowerment in the era of financial capital. To be disempowered is to lose self-determination, and to want to make up for it by wreaking revenge on another.
To all those of you who have mob-judged Mason, despite the state refusing to do so, you are taking advantage of easy social approbation enhanced by new social media.
I have been a devout fan since 1977 and have remained one through this awful Glazer era. However, by treating Mason so unfairly, United has gone too far by not being what they are, a football club, not an instrument for woke mob rule.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If one of ours, a young black man and his family,, cannot be treated fairly and with humanity then there is no us. I am not, no longer, a fan.
To all those of you who have mob-judged Mason, despite the state refusing to do so, you are taking advantage of easy social approbation enhanced by new social media.
I have been a devout fan since 1977 and have remained one through this awful Glazer era. However, by treating Mason so unfairly, United has gone too far by not being what they are, a football club, not an instrument for woke mob rule.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If one of ours, a young black man and his family,, cannot be treated fairly and with humanity then there is no us. I am not, no longer, a fan.
Brilliant. The responses to any posts by united on insta and Facebook are invariably by vile simpletons. Nice to have further confirmation the correct decision was (eventually) made - not that it's really needed!
A bitter pill to swallow. I was certain that he would be the star in our rebuild and help us in becoming successful. He would have been a great player for ETH.
I guess in life, when you think everything seems going great and nothing can go wrong, a curve ball appears from nowhere. Still cant believe the lad threw his career and always will be lesson on how clubs should educate their players because in this era of social media things can go out of hand pretty easily.
Looks like the agony of watching Antony play in the right wing without output will continue, atleast for me.
I guess in life, when you think everything seems going great and nothing can go wrong, a curve ball appears from nowhere. Still cant believe the lad threw his career and always will be lesson on how clubs should educate their players because in this era of social media things can go out of hand pretty easily.
Looks like the agony of watching Antony play in the right wing without output will continue, atleast for me.
Tbh I've had letters from former employers after mutually agreeing to leave that ends with an open invitation to potentially return on the future.
Nobody ever does. It's probably just some legal jargon for when someone leaves a job but hasn't been dismissed.
On the other hand, could indicate the inclusion of a buy back clause or that any move will be a loan. It's not clear tbh and I've seen some claim his contract has been terminated mutually but haven't seen anything to support this.
Yeah starting to think we should have at least given him chance to prove he has matured. Despite what has happened will be gut wrenching seeing him play elsewhere
We probably made the correct decision but it humours me that there's no murmur at all from anyone about a certain Arsenal player even though there's evidence online about his extracurricular activities.
The agony of losing a player will also continue with Antony if reports are to believed.
One thing that I have not seen mentioned is why there was a recording in the first place. Presumably it was recorded secretly? People do not accidentally record their private moments.
This is a big thing for me. You have some outlets saying his contract has been released, yet some say it hasn't. The whole situation at this point is so unclear we don't know is he for sale, loan, or even under contract as things stand. It is ludicrous what the club has done with this statement/situation.
the irony. The player, bought as a replacement for player stuck in legal battle, following the same route. We are really cursed since SAF left.Any of those are after 2018? Because Cristiano Ronaldo was accused of raping a woman in 2009 and everybody overlooks that.
The club statement says that we will work with MG to re-commence his career away from Old Trafford. We therefore haven’t released him and continue to pay his wages.
It does leave open whether he will be loaned for the remainder of his contract or will directly join another club but, presumably, that’s because we don’t yet know what other clubs are going to propose.
I don’t see the club can be criticised for that element of the statement.
Have been conflicted on this since the start but in the end disappointed we didn't send him on loan somewhere until things calmed a bit
Yeh, hopefully the club will clarify this.