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Erik "Shit on a Stick" Ten Hag.
It isn't news and is only causing a dramatic and emotional reaction from some people because we're not playing well. Louis Van Gaal came here and tried to implement Ajax style football and everyone hated it. He's learned the lesson and is saying that he intends to keep Manchester United true to its roots and adapt to our history and traditions. It doesn't mean we can't be a dominant team. Just not in the same way that Ajax are sometimes.This isn't news, in a nicer, more positively spun way he told us all this back in August:
I don't even really blame him, look at our squad. We don't have 11 players we can play together that are good enough that would be able to play a dominant heavy style.
-----------------Onana
Dalot-Varane-Martinez-Shaw
----------------Amrabat
-----------Mount-Eriksen
Antony-----------------------Sancho
----------------Hojlund
That's probably the best 'possession XI' we could pick, but there's 1000 reasons why he wouldn't pick it or anything like it.
Just from the perspective of building from the back it's a huge difference. Shaw was so effective at inverting inside and driving through the middle. I'm not sure most people even realise this. Even when he wasn't on song, his instincts were key. Then you've got Martinez; well, we all know how much of a difference. Not one defender at present can, or does, make a pass through lines.Yeah, injuries to our defence have been brutal. Not an excuse but just the truth.
I don't think Dalot suits that style. Mount too - he maybe "tidy" on the ball and he maybe runs around a bit but so far, for what he's been bought, he hides too much. Whenever we try to build up play he somehow always finds an opponent to hide behind. The McT maneuver.This isn't news, in a nicer, more positively spun way he told us all this back in August:
I don't even really blame him, look at our squad. We don't have 11 players we can play together that are good enough that would be able to play a dominant heavy style.
-----------------Onana
Dalot-Varane-Martinez-Shaw
----------------Amrabat
-----------Mount-Eriksen
Antony-----------------------Sancho
----------------Hojlund
That's probably the best 'possession XI' we could pick, but there's 1000 reasons why he wouldn't pick it or anything like it.
Yeah that, on top of needing to compensate with their stand-ins by playing an extremely low block to compensate. I’m not sure many clubs out there, excluding city perhaps, won’t be dramatically weakened losing their entire first choice backline. It’s almost unprecedented.Just from the perspective of building from the back it's a huge difference. Shaw was so effective at inverting inside and driving through the middle. I'm not sure most people even realise this. Even when he wasn't on song, his instincts were key. Then you've got Martinez; well, we all know how much of a difference. Not one defender at present can, or does, make a pass through lines.
We simple are not brave on the ball.
We constantly go from left to right, and right to left. It's courage, or lack thereof. You've got to have the courage to pass a ball centrally when the "safe" option is out wide, even if there isn't that much space because that's how you unsettle teams.
Looks like they were right, to be fair.The guys that said getting rid of de gea would be transformational last season look so clever this year
International football means f**k all to league footballSaying Bruno as player that isn't able to play in possession-based team is silly on so many level. He's done it for years, as one of crucial player in Portugal NT that play similar to possession-based one.
Good post. Agree with the half measured bit. It's been a huge problem with every manager outside of LvG. I'd say it's been our main problem.It's precisely the problem. It's one step forward and two steps back in basically every way. He signed Lisandro and Onana to play out from the back, but then his ideal midfield is a bunch of a midfielders who average 80% passing accuracy.
Everything is or has been half-measured with Hag. There is no absolute commitment either way. The splinters are starting to dig in from all that tactical fence sitting.
Such a dumb comment. If you don’t know the difference between international football and club football then no wonder you think Bruno is a possession player. The intensity, the opposition, the tactics everything is different. By your logic Maguire is also capable of many things and lukaku is a world class striker. Southgate is a top top manager too. We should hire Southgate then.Saying Bruno as player that isn't able to play in possession-based team is silly on so many level. He's done it for years, as one of crucial player in Portugal NT that play similar to possession-based one.
The excuses made to absolve him of blame are getting ridiculousI’m still behind ten hag. Rashford, Bruno and Casemiro’s form last season did a lot of heavy lifting. All 3 are having a shocker so far. Add to that the ownership situation/FFP fecking up the window, the disciplinary issues of Greenwood, Sancho and Antony, and the worst injury crisis I think I’ve ever seen at the club, you have to wonder if anyone else would do any better.
I would absolutely LOVE to see that happen. It wont happen, but I would love it.Get big Sam in and let's go route one I reckon
The end of that vid many won't like, United may need to suffer through more seasons of shite if they are to build anything
How much do you think we should be spending when we're already the highest bar whatever maniac stuff Chelsea are pulling?I’m still behind ten hag. Rashford, Bruno and Casemiro’s form last season did a lot of heavy lifting. All 3 are having a shocker so far. Add to that the ownership situation/FFP fecking up the window, the disciplinary issues of Greenwood, Sancho and Antony, and the worst injury crisis I think I’ve ever seen at the club, you have to wonder if anyone else would do any better.
We didn't need Onana and Mount. Even for those who hated De Gea, the money we spent on Onana should have been spent addressing other needs. Mount is a squad player at best at this level, although a decent squad player. But you don't spend 60m on a squad player, especially when you have a decent young player coming through the ranks in that position.How much do you think we should be spending when we're already the highest bar whatever maniac stuff Chelsea are pulling?
Hojlund, Onana, Mount.
That's 170-180m which is huge.
Did you think we'd be lashing 400m instead?
Say what you like about the wisdom of these signings, that's quite another question.
What would that mean, really? I mean, he's not forced to play them every game. If he drops one of them for a few games and it works, would he be forced to bring them back into the team? If the team clicks and succeeds withone them, would he be told he can't sell them even if they are not needed?Seems to me he was told the likes of Rashford, Bruno and Shaw are untouchable.
That is what I thought aswell.Legitimately thought the whole reason we got ETH in was to have us play like his Ajax team did.
And also thought that was a big part of his sales pitch to the board.
Just fecking get rid now. Pathetic.
Rewatch his performance vs Morocco. Force 60% of whole team chances with hollywood passes and shots with 0 composure then cried about ref aftermatch.Saying Bruno as player that isn't able to play in possession-based team is silly on so many level. He's done it for years, as one of crucial player in Portugal NT that play similar to possession-based one.
It's another time supplants success argument that doesn't hold any merit because the manager has to be credible. The only team where this time argument falls into place is Arsenal / Arteta, Klopp took time but improved his league position progressively, same for Pep because the longer they stayed the more they refined their style of play.The end of that vid many won't like, United may need to suffer through more seasons of shite if they are to build anything
I dont think anyone wants to absolve TEN hag of any blame. It's more that a tough 10 games doesn't call for scrapping the process. Just stick through it.It's another time supplants success argument that doesn't hold any merit because the manager has to be credible. The only team where this time argument falls into place is Arsenal / Arteta, Klopp took time but improved his league position progressively, same for Pep because the longer they stayed the more they refined their style of play.
Additionally, given the size of United the goal is to challenge. There's almost no basis to believe Erik can do this with time and investment, we don't have anything to visualise a United team that can challenge under him.
Potentially with Ratcliffe's interval and denouncing the managers involvement with recruitment maybe Erik will think more clearly and reflect to make right decisions moving forward but so much about a successful manager is not just tactical, it's also how to relate with the players on a personal basis, the ability to drive discipline while also being charismatic. I think charisma is why a few of the young lads shined under LVG he's a bright character.
There's a multitude of elements the manager has to get right and it will only take a certain type of individual to succeed. Time doesn't guarantee any of those things. So it's a gamble.
Strange game to criticize him. He had 86% passing rate against Morocco, with 3 key passes. His 11 long ball "hollywood passes" reached 8 of them. And yes, he had the highest rating there.Rewatch his performance vs Morocco. Force 60% of whole team chances with hollywood passes and shots with 0 composure then cried about ref aftermatch.
The guy crumbled as soon as there is pressure. Typical Broono
But sure, he was brilliant vs mighty Luxemborg. Wish United played them every week
I agree not to get rid of the manager at this present moment but I will maintain my prediction that come February Erik's position will be untenable. 10 played, 5 losses and 5 wins. Injuries returning is a contribution but it's not like the team was flying with a majorly fit squad.I dont think anyone wants to absolve TEN hag of any blame. It's more that a tough 10 games doesn't call for scrapping the process. Just stick through it.
I dont have the stats to pull, but I'd surprised if Jurgen Klopp hadn't seen a 10 game spell where his win % was at an embarrassing level maybe even in two periods during his Liverpool stint?I agree not to get rid of the manager at this present moment but I will maintain my prediction that come February Erik's position will be untenable. 10 played, 5 losses and 5 wins. Injuries returning is a contribution but it's not like the team was flying with a majorly fit squad.
I predicted a poor season in the summer (6th place finish) due to the recruitment but what I didn't predict is what the bottom will look like. If in February/ March the team has more games lost than wins ratio it will eclipse Moyes's league finish. The team is on course for the worst season in the club's recent history.
Mr. Rashford and Mr. Bruno. They don't like possession football, they want hoofball. Don't dare annoy them with tactics though, they'll just stop scoring.If ten hag has been told to play the dinosaur "united way", who would be powerful enough to dictate such a thing, I doubt the glazers would have a scoobie about football tactics all together, same with murtough, so is it fletcher, fergie?