I wonder if you guys could have used him like we did Merino?
Scott McTominay | Napoli
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I reckon we both should have just signed a decent striker.
I think that’s what would have happened year.
Have I genuinely just read Mason Mounts better than McTominay? I can’t remember the last time Mount had a good game, let alone contributed anything.
Ofcourse goes without saying but I mean during the time he was scoring goals, could have been a good experiment.
I genuinely don't see anything in Mount, he's good that he runs around, covers a lot of ground but don't think that's what United need as his output isn't the best (correct me if I am wrong) and its a lot of nothing. I have a feeling he is another version of Reece James - when it comes to injuries and you've been massively robbed by Chelsea. As don't think he has any real resale value either, not the amount you guys got him for anyway.
I think, a lot of it is down to how goals and assist dwarve other aspects of a performance. Which is right and understandable of course, but it skews perception. The question is easy, if a player isn't capable of achieving his tasks on the pitch, is this balanced out by scoring a goal or make an assist? For me personally, it isn't because the player takes away something from the team as a functional unit. That said, there is a chance, that ambition plays a vital role in that. If your team is a midtable points scrapper, then such a player probably is more important than when your ambition is getting back to the top. MotM and Whoscored ratings though aren't ideal indicators for good performances because the weighting of some aspects seems skewed. Or to be more fair and precise, at least not for what I consider good performances.
Those are just not true.
It was wrong to not letting him go earlier when it was clear, he wasn't capable of playing in a top team. The revisionism is a little worrying, we've had years of him failing for us, after multiple years it still wasn't clear, what position he was the best in but a lot of examples that were able to speak against each one of them. Now they go on and have a few positive headlines while we fall down and suddenly, its been a mistake to let bad players go. It's suprising, that Fred doesn't get a mention - heard a lot of good things about him playing in Turkey.
Nothing but a cop out. You don't need to hate a player to be realistic of their abilities and skillset. A team like United is simply not good enough to afford a midfielder who is shit playing in midfield for the odd chance of him popping up for a goal. Such thinking is the opposite of forward thinking because it seems as if you are looking for ways to make the stuff we have to suffer through through the last two years kind of work. I mean, who wants us to continue like that only with added 8 goals from McTominay? Sure, with McTominay we might have achieved slightly better results in all the games we played as bad as we did. Still not the way forward - we have to play better. And to do that, getting rid of players who have had years of showing that they aren't capable is the right thing.
Was idiotic to sell him. Still can't belive we did it. Was more then good enough to play for us then, and now, and would have been the perfect squad player if we improved as a team and start competing
We look on the past fondly. Similarly with De Gea - there was lots of moaning about Scott just before he was sold. Lack of quality, technique, often he was said to "hide from the ball" and go completely missing in games. I actually agree with you regarding his quality being good enough for us now, but he was not all that amazing. However, had Ugarte stormed in and been performing like a £60m player, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I think he would've been great in Amorims system as a number 10
Which just proves how easy it is to look good in the Seire A without actually being a good player, just look at Rasmus.
I'm glad we sold him. He isn't good enough for a top team in the Premier, if we ever want to get back to being one that is,.
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Are you from the future?
Conte is really the perfect manager for players like McTominay and Lukaku. United should've probably tried him at some point in the last 5 years.
It’s a thought I’ve had myself a few times. If we got him during his peak years — let him play his hyper specific playstyle (sound familiar…?), stagnate a few of the youth players and in exchange you get about 18~ months of winning football and probably a domestic title before he loses his shit with the board for not selling 23 year old Rashford and replacing him with Giaccherini or Victor Moses or something Conte style weird
comma instead of full stop. fixedI've always said and stand by it. A big mistake selling him for almost nothing. One of best attacking midfielders in league. He might not be the best on the ball but problems he could cause other teams with his overall game is so underrated. If correctly used. I rate him a lot.
People have laughed at me but I guess there is some change of heart here. I'm really happy for him and I hope he wins the league.
People have laughed at me but I guess there is some change of heart here. I'm really happy for him and I hope he wins the league.
The fanbase has been resistant to him after Mourinho because the board sold them on a long-term plan, which has proven to be nonsense. He plays a very specific style, but weirdly enough I think he's one of the few who could've made sense of the deformed squad they've assembled over the years.
Decent player who was mis profiled as a DM until ETH. Doing well now, happy for him but hes not what we need longer term.
I can see why ETH wanted to keep him though because the squad lacks goals
I can see why ETH wanted to keep him though because the squad lacks goals
Ah come on, they still do!
Just kidding of course, even if I don't rate him half as much as you do, I still hope he goes on and has a good career
Not too surprised he is getting some goals, but the surprising one is how many duels he is winning. He is better off in Serie A.
It's why I don't rate Messi that highly as seen by Antony because I dont rate La Liga. The ball is always rolling across the ground. Watch Yamal's first assist yesterday, that won't happen in the PL.
Messi became a legend because of his CL performances ON TOP of his La Liga performances, not purely because of his CL performances.
Does that work for you at all?
You don't rate Mctomminay because he plays in a shit league & I don't rate Messi because he played his career in a shit league that over bloated his number just as it did with Mctomminay
You guys are silly when it comes to rating other leagues
The list of players who have failed or been average in the PL and then gone on to look much better in Italy is too long for there not to be some truth in people not rating current Serie A.
He is a good player with limitations and strengths who became an easy scapegoat, like Maguire, based on toxic social media trends.
"League one player" "Championship player" "Hides from the ball" "worst thing that happened to our season was McT scoring 2 against Brentford" "Fluke goal scoring season" That last one had people ignoring he had played most of his games for Utd as a DM, and you even had people scoffing at his international record despite half his games being at CB.
Just matched the Hojlund Serie A goal total that had Utd spend £70 million. Yes he has plenty of flaws but it got to the point were people refused to give him credit for the things he did well.
"League one player" "Championship player" "Hides from the ball" "worst thing that happened to our season was McT scoring 2 against Brentford" "Fluke goal scoring season" That last one had people ignoring he had played most of his games for Utd as a DM, and you even had people scoffing at his international record despite half his games being at CB.
Just matched the Hojlund Serie A goal total that had Utd spend £70 million. Yes he has plenty of flaws but it got to the point were people refused to give him credit for the things he did well.
Scuffet is a great name for a footballer.
Scottynaldinho
The thing about hiding from the ball was not a myth though. He was not a very good player to have in central midfield in terms of both possession and shielding the back four. Good at arriving in the box to grab a goal.
Yep, he's still doing it. 98% of midfielders across the top 5 leagues get the ball more than he does, which is some achievement when you're playing for one of the two best teams in a league.
His strengths are still a) being tall and b) nicking the odd goal. You sacrifice basically everything an actual midfielder would offer to gain those benefits.
It is the phrasing, you could easily say that getting on the ball in deep positions was a weakness in his game, lacked the awareness of space in those areas, or the instincts, but "hiding from the ball" that just became a catch all, easy, lazy criticism, game after game. His passing numbers in midfield dropped off significantly under Ten Hag, clearly he had identified it was not a strength in his game and wanted him in different areas, which Conte has also clearly agreed with, but when anyone dared to suggest there was a tactical element to his low passing numbers as well as a player trait, nah, go with the meme catchphrase instead.
That second Ten Hag season when he moved to the 4-1-4-1 with the deep midfielder massively isolated, a lot on here were trying to blame that on McT over Ten Hag, and it took seeing other players playing the same role in the same areas before that dropped off, even though it was blatantly obvious that it was tactical.
And the thing is, those weaknesses are not necessarily easy to link directly to a loss, whereas his strength in grabbing a goal are obviously very visible. As a result, it’s super easy to overrate him as a player.
Can't you see what that proves, though.
That it is easier to score in Italy? Yes, but then we already knew that McT could make match winning contributions in the PL.
With Mctominay's goals we might be in 11th right now instead of 14th... So what?
He's not good enough. We need players who can pass a ball, with a good first touch, who actually want to receive the ball.
The fact United are dumb enough to replace our players who aren't good enough with even more players who aren't good enough, doesn't mean it was a mistake letting a player go.
The solution is to make good signings. Not to put Scott Mctominay in our starting 11.
He's not good enough. We need players who can pass a ball, with a good first touch, who actually want to receive the ball.
The fact United are dumb enough to replace our players who aren't good enough with even more players who aren't good enough, doesn't mean it was a mistake letting a player go.
The solution is to make good signings. Not to put Scott Mctominay in our starting 11.
Remember when people used to moan about him getting in the way of the runs Hojlund was supposed to be making? Good times...
He would have been a better striker than hojlund ever will be
Not really. Athletic level is lower in the Seria A
Inter losing to Roma huge chance for Napoli now
Cmon Scotty
Cmon Scotty
Well then go look up his passing stats and remind yourself. Then ask yourself does his career best 7 league goals(for us) balance it out.
I don’t give a rats ass about his passing stats. His career best league goals pretty much balance it out you are pretty spot on.
Please remind me who’s passing stats are you enjoying the most during and after McT departure. Do they balance it out?
We'll never have a proper United team until fans and the manager wake up to us needing CM'S or attacking CM's who can receive, turn and pass a football.
You've watched us struggle for years with McTominay in the team. Watching us struggle to control games.
That we haven't yet improved doesn't justify sticking with what wasn't working.
Last season was a disaster as well remember.
Ah, you watch football with your eyes closed until a goal goes in. Fair enough, I can see why you'd be a McTominay fan.
I have a feeling his goals will be crucial for Napoli’s title push in these last 5 games. He has a knack of coming up big with the game winner/equalizer.
Already scored 4-5 big goals this season for the Partenopei.
Already scored 4-5 big goals this season for the Partenopei.