Bruno Fernandes Out?

bosnian_red said:
He said it in some interview that he'd understand if the club cashed in. He doesn't strike me as the type to want to leave but also isn't the type to stay where he's not wanted.
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Correct. And it's very easy to make a bit of a headline from it. Amorim said hel walk for free if he's not wanted too, I expect both to be here next season.
 
golden_blunder said:
The prematch expectations messages from the fans got into his head and he let it get to him
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We're doing the same mistakes Sampdoria did many years ago ie we see Bruno's workrate and we delude ourselves in thinking that he can play deep. He can't play deep. He simply lacks the discipline and the positioning to do so.
 
devilish said:
We're doing the same mistakes Sampdoria did many years ago ie we see Bruno's workrate and we delude ourselves in thinking that he can play deep. He can't play deep. He simply lacks the discipline and the positioning to do so.
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Tbf yesterday it was his supposed best ability that let him down... on the ball he was dreadful.
 
As much of a come and get me plea as Bruno would dare give. He is better than this and is wasting his time at United in their current form.
 
After last night I’d change my stance - we absolutely can not lose Bruno. We’d get fecking relegated

He can obviously do a lot better than us, teams like Madrid and Bayern are crying out for a player like this, but he genuinely loves the club. I think if Bruno stays, it’s a good sign that Amorim’s plans seem plausible
 
He can go to Saudi and win his big match titles. His moaning and whining at the referee and his teammates last night irks me annoyingly. Get on with the match Bruno, your team is losing and running out of time. I rather sell him over Garnacho and Mainoo if we have to raise more funds
 
golden_blunder said:
The prematch expectations messages from the fans got into his head and he let it get to him
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What? How do you know this? Also he isn’t a 12 year old kid trying to win for his schoolmates. He’s a millionaire adult footballer who has regularly shat bed in finals.
 
Mickeza said:
Yeah except he has played deep numerous times this season and been very good.
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I disagree. He might be able to do a job against a less physical opponent but he can't be a regular player there. Definitely not with Casemiro at his back and Amad/Mount in front of him
 
JBG said:
Tbf yesterday it was his supposed best ability that let him down... on the ball he was dreadful.
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He lacks the discipline and the composure to play deep. When things go wrong then his instinct of trying to solve everything on his own tend to take over his better judgement
 
I hope we don't sell him. He's been our best player this season.

He should not have started in CM last night as he has a habit of losing possession and that is more dangerous further back - which was evident for the goal. That's on Amorim. Bruno is not a CM, yes he can drop deep when we are chasing a game but I'm a little dumfounded why Ugarte didn't start. But I'll save that for another thread.

I do see the value on selling him and re-investing in the team but we have such bad track record in the transfer market that the thought of getting that wrong is quite frightening.
 
TheGame said:
Where the feck would we be without him? Relegated. It takes more than one player to make a team. Tell you what let’s fecking just sell everyone, some of you guys are clueless.
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Liverpool cashed in on Coutinho when he was by far their best player and his sell on value was high, once Coutinho went the rest of the team stepped up and became more of a team rather than running through Coutinho.

We’ve got into a horrible habit of the squad outside of Amad and Garnacho being too scared to think for themselves and simply passing the ball to Bruno every single time rather than working as a team and finding patterns of play, Bruno for the most part has been brilliant this season but I’d rather we worked brilliantly as a team rather than individuals.
 
Would be sad to see him go. One of the few good players that actually always try. Its a low bar but thats where we are. Just don't play him as a CM. If he's our best player, play him in his best positon. He would have affected the game more at 10.
 
davidmichael said:
Liverpool cashed in on Coutinho when he was by far their best player and his sell on value was high, once Coutinho went the rest of the team stepped up and became more of a team rather than running through Coutinho.

We’ve got into a horrible habit of the squad outside of Amad and Garnacho being too scared to think for themselves and simply passing the ball to Bruno every single time rather than working as a team and finding patterns of play, Bruno for the most part has been brilliant this season but I’d rather we worked brilliantly as a team rather than individuals.
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If someone offers £150m yes we would cash out as well and I expect us to for that amount.
 
Lennon7 said:
After last night I’d change my stance - we absolutely can not lose Bruno. We’d get fecking relegated

He can obviously do a lot better than us, teams like Madrid and Bayern are crying out for a player like this, but he genuinely loves the club. I think if Bruno stays, it’s a good sign that Amorim’s plans seem plausible
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Where do you see Amorim playing him for the next 2-3 years? Central mid partnered with whom?

Or try left 10 again over Cunha, Mount, Garnacho. Does he fit in Amorim's plan, can he really function in a midfield pair. To me it's like Amorim's plan is the problem trying to find a spot for Bruno unless it's lightweight opposition. I feel he's best in a midfield 3 with say two strong mid types behind with high pass completion, like Kroos.
 
Still think he's our Robbo or Liverpool's Gerrard. Brilliant player who will win games out of nowhere but everything goes through them, and you won't build a consistent, league winning side around that. You are relying on the individual brilliance of one player too much, and when they have a bad day the whole team dips too. The thing that elevates players like Keane and Xavi is they made the players around them better.

Of course Robbo did win the league here, but we were sitting in 8th when a certain Frenchman turned up.

Fernandes will go down as something of a legend here but I think he needs to leave to allow us to properly rebuild.
 
11101 said:
Still think he's our Robbo or Liverpool's Gerrard. Brilliant player who will win games out of nowhere but everything goes through them, and you won't build a consistent, league winning side around that. You are relying on the individual brilliance of one player too much, and when they have a bad day the whole team dips too. The thing that elevates players like Keane and Xavi is they made the players around them better.

Of course Robbo did win the league here, but we were sitting in 8th when a certain Frenchman turned up.

Fernandes will go down as something of a legend here but I think he needs to leave to allow us to properly rebuild.
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Although I agree, we are in a very very precarious place here. We can not allow him to leave without clear and obtainable targets to replace him.

It’s going to be an interesting summer, but we’ve got to remember we’re the least attractive “big” team to go to now, and we don’t even have the cash to fling about anymore.
 
Am I worried about him going, or more worried we'd absolutely spaff whatever funds we got and somehow end up in an even worse position in terms of attacking talent, at this point I can't quite decide.
 
Lennon7 said:
After last night I’d change my stance - we absolutely can not lose Bruno. We’d get fecking relegated

He can obviously do a lot better than us, teams like Madrid and Bayern are crying out for a player like this, but he genuinely loves the club. I think if Bruno stays, it’s a good sign that Amorim’s plans seem plausible
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Teams like Madrid and Bayern are crying out for good midfielders but not a player like Bruno.
Even that Saudi offer is still pretty weird, i can't believe there's been legitimate talks of 80,100 or 120M for him. If that was true you'd bite their hands off, it's not Bruno or relegation.
It's finding any other midfielder even a level or two below and surrounding him with others okayish midielders to form a better unit. If finishing just above relegation doesn't break this spell Bruno has you under, nothing will.
Plus, what's even the point anymore ? You'd need to have a very good season, considering where you are, to get Europa League again and he will be 32. He won't lead you anywhere.
Terrible talent identification, horrendous negociating and an inability to sell and get rid of what doesn't work is a scary combo.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Do we think Cunha +1 would be a good replacement?
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Problem is it's a bit crazy needing two players to replace one.

I think though it may be time now to fully commit to this rebuild we have talked about for years. Properly gut the squad. And that might require us finding some money through sales, which makes Bruno a contender for being sold. Not only that but he deserves to go off and win some trophies now, he's never going to do it here and by the time we could potentially compete, he will be way past his best.

Personally I'd cash in on Bruno (if he wants to go), Garnacho and/or Mainoo and try to rebuild a young team with a lot of potential.
 
davidmichael said:
Liverpool cashed in on Coutinho when he was by far their best player and his sell on value was high, once Coutinho went the rest of the team stepped up and became more of a team rather than running through Coutinho.
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Liverpool finished 4th in the season they sold Coutinho, they were a good team. Not the same situation at all.
 
SamoyedSam said:
It would be if United could break the habit of the last decade and get value for money. Ideally a midfielder like Wharton or similar.
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pocco said:
Problem is it's a bit crazy needing two players to replace one.

I think though it may be time now to fully commit to this rebuild we have talked about for years. Properly gut the squad. And that might require us finding some money through sales, which makes Bruno a contender for being sold. Not only that but he deserves to go off and win some trophies now, he's never going to do it here and by the time we could potentially compete, he will be way past his best.

Personally I'd cash in on Bruno (if he wants to go), Garnacho and/or Mainoo and try to rebuild a young team with a lot of potential.
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I agree

The Cunha deal sounds like it’s almost a done, if we get let’s say £80m for Bruno we could potentially spend that one 1 player like a Wharton as we would already have signed Cunha.
 
RedC said:
Liverpool finished 4th in the season they sold Coutinho, they were a good team. Not the same situation at all.
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They also cashed in as they were stacked in that position, with Mane by far their best player the season before, and Salah emerging as their best player. Meanwhile they had an awful keeper and were desperate for a centre half, so cashing in made sense to find elsewhere. Not the same situation in the slightest.
 
The idea that a player that completed just 76% of his passes, can play as a CM is fecking insane.

That puts him in the 10th percentile of all midfielders in the Premier League. In a typical game, he'll play 66 passes and misplace 16 of them. That's your central midfielder.

On top of that he's paired with a midfielder in the 29th percentile for pass completion. You can't build any sort of rhythm with a midfield that careless with the ball. There's value in just probing and building constant pressure on a defence, and we just don't have any midfielder who has any instinct or ability to do that.
 
awop said:
Teams like Madrid and Bayern are crying out for good midfielders but not a player like Bruno.
Even that Saudi offer is still pretty weird, i can't believe there's been legitimate talks of 80,100 or 120M for him. If that was true you'd bite their hands off, it's not Bruno or relegation.
It's finding any other midfielder even a level or two below and surrounding him with others okayish midielders to form a better unit. If finishing just above relegation doesn't break this spell Bruno has you under, nothing will.
Plus, what's even the point anymore ? You'd need to have a very good season, considering where you are, to get Europa League again and he will be 32. He won't lead you anywhere.
Terrible talent identification, horrendous negociating and an inability to sell and get rid of what doesn't work is a scary combo.
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But your last point is my point. Bruno is by far our best player right now and has saved our skin multiple times. If I was confident we would spend that money wisely and have better players in to replace him then yes absolutely sell up - but we won’t. You said it yourself.

I completely agree that United need to make a big decision, something needs to change and that might be selling our best player to replace him with 3 more. But it’s a scary prospect considering our signing record.

Or, we just use the money to buy a player we know will be top class, like Wharton.
 
The most frustrating thing is when we have an actual overload or counter attacking chance and he plays a high risk ball, when there’s a simple one on
 
Lennon7 said:
But your last point is my point. Bruno is by far our best player right now and has saved our skin multiple times. If I was confident we would spend that money wisely and have better players in to replace him then yes absolutely sell up - but we won’t. You said it yourself.

I completely agree that United need to make a big decision, something needs to change and that might be selling our best player to replace him with 3 more. But it’s a scary prospect considering our signing record.

Or, we just use the money to buy a player we know will be top class, like Wharton.
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Yes but Bruno isn't immortal, if you stay scared to do anything and stick with him, you will have to replace him without the money he could get you. Unless you have some unknown wonderkid in the youth system, you're fecked. Who's to say last night wasn't a preview of what he will give you more often next season ?
It's the moment to be proactive, get rid and give yourself a chance to try something new.
You had the chance to do it with Garnacho if that Napoli offer was real. Now he's moaning even more in the press and lost a bit of value.
I think in this rubbish period you got a few lucky breaks and opportunities to switch things up and ignored them all.
 
Offside said:
They also cashed in as they were stacked in that position, with Mane by far their best player the season before, and Salah emerging as their best player. Meanwhile they had an awful keeper and were desperate for a centre half, so cashing in made sense to find elsewhere. Not the same situation in the slightest.
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It's not the same situation and it likely won't have a similar positive impact, if any at all. But £150m or more from his sale, that of Garnacho and whatever we get for Rashford and Sancho will help us rebuild, if we use it well. Apart from Yoro and De Ligt, and I have my doubts on the latter, there is no one in our back 6 who can play well under pressure or is good enough in recovery against fast transitions and then there is also the issue that they are so poor technically. So, if it meant that selling him would help us revitalize that area whilst we also signed Cunha and a couple of forwards from our own budget, I'd be all for it. The biggest challenge is that we could sell both Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo, Rashford, Antony and Sancho then go on to stockpile the next round of flops.

We are not competing or starting the recovery as long as shit like Maguire, Lindelof, Hoijlund Shaw etc are still one injury away from starting matches for us. Be it under Amorim or another manager we are never going to meet the physical and technical demands of this league with the players we have. Keeping Bruno and signing 2 or 3 players won't really tansform this side, the same issues we have building up from deep will hurt us and will hold us back. We need around 7 players, we can only afford about 3 and the big risk is that we sign them, and they are too few to really transform us.
 
I couldn't blame him if he wants to leave. The club is just going further backwards. The impact on us would be terrible, but even if he stays, I doubt we'll see much in the way of improvement next season.
 
Our most valuable player, I wouldn't begrudge him a move. I always thought he deserved to play under a better manager but who knows when that will happen.

He didn't play well last night, but that wasn't on him imo.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
Without him, we would have been in a proper relegation battle probably, he was our best player by far this season.
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Yes I agree, and hes been our best player for ages. Hes getting old, we've had limited success, and now hes able to bring us in a lot of money. Its better that he dies a hero.

Its sad, but goodbyes are never nice. I would have loved for things to have been different, but its the end of the road. We have to do things drastically different with INEOS in charge,
 
RedC said:
Liverpool finished 4th in the season they sold Coutinho, they were a good team. Not the same situation at all.
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We’ve got lots of midfielders and lots of 10’s but massive problems in multiple other areas, Coutinho going fixed Liverpool's main issues and as much as I’ll dislike Bruno being sold it would pay to fix multiple problems positions for us and with no Europe and a 16th or 17th place in the league we’re going to struggle money wise which is where the parallels between Coutinho and Bruno are.
 
The problem wasn't that he didn't turn up yesterday. Obviously not ideal and frustrating. But the issue is nobody stood up in his place and dragged the team to a win. Casemiro has done it a few times but he was fecking terrible yesterday too.
 
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