The Secrets of your demise

[other red]

Hiya lads... ukbob told me yous were missing me so wanted to say hiya... anyway, let me point out all that you've apparently missed.

1. Allow an ageing, obsessive and demented manager to continue ruling with an iron fist - have him piss off the club owners, the FA, the referees society, his best players and FIFA all in one season - yeah, that'll help.

2. Allow same manager to sell most influential and creative midfielder for 5 bob to a team already your superior.

3. Refuse to accept the passage of time with respect to Giggs and Keane - and blindly ignore the fact you have no replacements.

4. Surround the Neville brothers with mediocrity to show just how poor they really are. (Portsmouth, Liverpool - both the fault of GN)

5. Kid/convince yourselves that Brown, Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Fletcher, Bellion and Kleberson are TRULY Premiership quality - or indeed ever will be.

6. Blame obvious lack of quality on the ABU conspiracy theory - "everyone's against us.. waah" (p.s. first penalty scored at OT in 10 years rather suggests a bias the other way)

7. Blindly believe that Arsenal are just a bunch of arrogant thugs instead of realising that they are the new benchmark, and you urgently need to address it.

8. Play RVN up front by himself until you realise that doesn't work and then have to make do with any player who happens to not be in the champion's league. (Saha is a good goalscorer, lazy player)

9. Bring back an ailing and ageing OGS and believe him to still be capable of his 1990s heroics.

10. Bring in Walter Smith, who has the excellent pedigree of maintaining Everton (yes, Everton) in the bottom 5-6 of the Premiership.

11. Understand that with a few billion quid around elsewhere now, suddenly your buying power is inconsequential.

12. Realise that you are based in Manchester, not London, when it comes to signing world class players.

13. Hang on to Nicky Butt, cos apparently he's.. erm.. a key player... then play him as a winger.

14. Have, as your secret weapon, the embarassment that is Diego Forlan - worst striker in the Premiership who cost a cool 10 mill. (yes, I know he scored twice once!)

15. Believe that 9 league defeats is merely a blip and normal service will resume in August.


Oh, and before you say it, yes I know we're shite too, but the fact is, we've realised it and know we have to do something about it.

Time you did.

(hiya Murt)

 

[MauritianRed]

Please say hi to uncle Bob for us. And ask him to give you a good slap round yer ears for being cheeky.

Lots of what you say do make sense though.

 

[JJ_Batchelor]

Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Fletcher, Bellion and Kleberson are meant to be squad players.

Arsenal have their own bunch. Parlour, Aliadire, Wiltord, Cygan, Stepanovs, Keown etc

And Liverpool have a truck load.

 

[Chrixgan]

Time you did.

(hiya Murt)

U may be a supporter of the Fools, but I gotta take my hats off ya, you were spot on and u got balls to get yer ass here and shove reality to our faces.

Some of us do realize what u said already, but we're hoping we don't follow the same path that the Fools did after the 90s season.

 

[other red]

Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Fletcher, Bellion and Kleberson are meant to be squad players.

Arsenal have their own bunch. Parlour, Aliadire, Wiltord, Cygan, Stepanovs, Keown etc

And Liverpool have a truck load.

Erm... 10 million for a squad player and no other obvious strikers... don't think so!

And haven't the others you mention been referred to as "the new Keane" "the new Beckham" etc???

These players were bought as replacements for the current ageing stars... if you don't see that, you're mistaken. The fact that they're not good enough makes you believe they are 'squad' players. They are not. OGS, Keane and Giggs are all in their 30s and nearing the end.... these lads you mention aren't your squad players.... I'm afraid they're your future!!

 

[numlock]

there may be some good points there but they are hidden under alot of bullshit

brown not prem quality, saha lazy and of course that super influential and creative player

 

[Raoul]

Hiya lads... ukbob told me yous were missing me so wanted to say hiya... anyway, let me point out all that you've apparently missed.

Do you ever go to CockNBull in Santa Monica ?

 

[Number7]

Allow an ageing, obsessive and demented manager to continue ruling with an iron fist - have him piss off the club owners, the FA, the referees society, his best players and FIFA all in one season - yeah, that'll help.

Well he's been doing that for years now, hardly ever effected the team before

Allow same manager to sell most influential and creative midfielder for 5 bob to a team already your superior.

Nobody can deny Beckham is a good player and that we miss his creativity, but we had a replacement for him in Ronaldinho. Don't blame fergie that the deal fell through.

Refuse to accept the passage of time with respect to Giggs and Keane - and blindly ignore the fact you have no replacements.

I'd agree with that, although we are bringing in more and more young players, ie Ronaldo, Howard, Fletcher.

Surround the Neville brothers with mediocrity to show just how poor they really are. (Portsmouth, Liverpool - both the fault of GN)

If Gary played for any other club, he'd be considered a great right back.

Kid/convince yourselves that Brown, Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Fletcher, Bellion and Kleberson are TRULY Premiership quality - or indeed ever will be.

Brown is premiership class, Fletcher will be premiership class. Plus how can you call a world cup winner not premiership class when there is so much mediocre shit in the league atm. Djemba will come good imo, but we'll have to wait and see.

Blame obvious lack of quality on the ABU conspiracy theory - "everyone's against us.. waah" (p.s. first penalty scored at OT in 10 years rather suggests a bias the other way)

We don't blame lack of quality on ABU's, we blame the way every little thing we do is warped up by the media to make it sound 10 times worse.

. Blindly believe that Arsenal are just a bunch of arrogant thugs instead of realising that they are the new benchmark, and you urgently need to address it.

Fair point, they have played some excellent football this year.

Believe that 9 league defeats is merely a blip and normal service will resume in August.

It will.

Some good points about Forlan and Butt.

 

[redmad]

Some good points BUT don't speak too soon, we were fine until Rio went AWOL, Summer's comin' SAF has one more chance to redeem himself, let's wait & see.......

 

[other red]

It's ridiculous to say that "how can he not be premiership class as he's a world cup winner".... the world cup is a knock out tournament, and you can end up with a world cup medal simply by being in the Brazilian squad. Do you really think they'd not have won it without Kleberson?

Because Forlan has a Premiership medal, he's "Championship" class? Of course not, but he DID play in enough games to merit a nice shiny medal his talent simply does not merit. With or without him, you'd have won the league.

If France win the Euro championship this summer, and Bruo Cheyrou ends up a "Euro 2004" winner, does that mean he suddenly becomes worthy? Of course not!

Many, many Brazilians have been proven to struggle badly in the Premiership. I know a certain Argentinian who has too... plays for Chelsea occasionally.

 

[Number7]

He must be doing something right if he can get into the Brazil team. I'm not saying he'll set the world on fire at united, but I wouldn't say that he isn't premiership class.

 

[VanNistelrater]

Lads Lads, Im shocked that you have even justified this morons ramblings by replying to him.

Need I remind you, other red is theartist of this master piece

 

[other red]

He must be doing something right if he can get into the Brazil team. I'm not saying he'll set the world on fire at united, but I wouldn't say that he isn't premiership class.

I should qualify what I mean... I don't mean simply "premiership class"... dozens of average players are clearly that... I mean "Premiership" class as in.... being insturmental in driving a team to the Premiership title.

 

[Lil Cee]

Lads Lads, Im shocked that you have even justified this morons ramblings by replying to him.

Need I remind you, other red is theartist of this master piece

FINALLY....ive been waiting for someone to post that

 

[Outremangeur]

Lads Lads, Im shocked that you have even justified this morons ramblings by replying to him.

Need I remind you, other red is theartist of this master piece

haha!!!

that saved my day!
(and the leningrad cowboys playing in vienna)

cheers vannistelrater

 

[RedPhil1957]

I should qualify what I mean... I don't mean simply "premiership class"... dozens of average players are clearly that... I mean "Premiership" class as in.... being insturmental in driving a team to the Premiership title.

I should get back to worrying about your own team we with all our faults and dispite having key players either suspended or injured for most of the season managed to be a street ahead of the pool.

 

[JJ_Batchelor]

Need I remind you, other red is theartist of this master piece

"Gerard Houllier has brought in his own tactical now-how. He's bought in quality players, and he has let some of the other players go."


Is This bloke Alex "Loser" Malone ?

 

[Number7]

"Gerard Houllier has brought in his own tactical now-how. He's bought in quality players, and he has let some of the other players go."


Is This bloke Alex "Loser" Malone ?

 

[other red]

Lads Lads, Im shocked that you have even justified this morons ramblings by replying to him.

Need I remind you, other red is theartist of this master piece

Now VanNistelrater.... let me remind you, that it was YOU who continued to send me instant messages last year, wanting to be all pally and nice... remember. I was on your 'buddy' list for AOL so that every time I came on line you could see me and send me instant messages.... remember that??

You were SUCH a nice lad back then, I thought we had a future together.... seems you're a woman scorned seeing as I didn't respond to some of your instant messages.

As for 'moron'... check back through your 85,000 posts mate... you've really talked a load of bollox now, haven't you??

And, hey, seems a lot of the lads here seem to actually AGREE with me!!

Bye for now, Van... hey IM me if you get a chance

 

[VanNistelrater]

Oh dear...

You still dont get it, do you?

But Im sure Murt will be glad at your return, I seem to remember you getting on famously with him.

 

[other red]

Oh dear...

You still dont get it, do you?

But Im sure Murt will be glad at your return, I seem to remember you getting on famously with him.

Ah, but Murt and I had an open honest relationship Van....

He didn't say naughty things about me, and then try to seduce me by IM now did he? Nooo.... only you did that.

And... I thought you scolded the others for even bothering to reply to me? Now you're doing it more than anyone else!

You just can't resist me, can ya Van?

 

[Looking Busy]

1) No other option. No other top name manager was available 2 years ago and who would sack their manager after the stunning comeback last season.
2) Real Madrid are now finding out about the backage that comes with Beckham and they want rid
3) We do have replacement, they just need time. Other injuries have forced Giggs and Keane to play more games than SAF would have liked
4) 2 mistakes in 40 games. I can live with that. The rest of the team have to take responsibility as we failed to score against 2 poor defenses in the games you mentioned
5) Brown definately is, Forlan definately isn't. The rest we will know once they have more games under their belt. Too early to tell
6) First penalty Scored . So it's down to bias towards us that other players have missed penalties at Old Trafford
7) Arsenal arrogant yes, excellent this season yes.
8) Scored more than 30 goals up front on his own last season
9) You'd be a bit rusty after more than 6 months out. He's got another season in him, but he is approaching the end.
10) Managing and being an assistant are two different jobs, ask Brian Kidd or Ronnie Moran
11) Everyone buying power is inconsequential compared to Chelsea. However millions doesn't guarentee trophies. Look at Madrid. No European Cup for 3 years now
12) Don't get what your aiming at?
13) We hung on to Nicky Butt because of injuries to other players, he's also played out of position for the same reason.
14) I don't recall anyone calling him our secret weapon?
15) If we'd lost 9 times with a fully fit squad then it would be a lot more serious but until we have that fully fit squad no-one can really tell.

 

[Murt]

Do you ever go to CockNBull in Santa Monica ?

Does he?
Hes known as the bullshitting cock around Santa Monica.

Does anyone have that photo of him handy? One sure fire way of shutting him up.

 

[MrMarcello]

I thought Forlan cost 6.9m pounds...or is our thread starter converting to US dollars?

 

[other red]

Does he?
Hes known as the bullshitting cock around Santa Monica.

Does anyone have that photo of him handy? One sure fire way of shutting him up.

He he he !!

Murt.. I see your slogan is now referring to the magnificent Diego Forlan... I've lost count of all the slo-mos I've watched of that Blackburn miss.... You know, when you slow it down really, really slow, it shows his technique to perfection! Please, please don't sell him!

You certainly know your football mate.... are you still banging on about how fabulous Veron is too?

Hey, I see I'm as popular as ever though! Almost 600 people reading my post. That's 90th percentile in terms of popularity.

And Van.. you haven't contacted me... I'm SOOO disappointed. You're so nice and kind on instant messenger when you're not trying to act all butch and cool in front of your friends!

 

[VanNistelrater]

He he he !!

Murt.. I see your slogan is now referring to the magnificent Diego Forlan... I've lost count of all the slo-mos I've watched of that Blackburn miss.... You know, when you slow it down really, really slow, it shows his technique to perfection! Please, please don't sell him!

You certainly know your football mate.... are you still banging on about how fabulous Veron is too?

Hey, I see I'm as popular as ever though! Almost 600 people reading my post. That's 90th percentile in terms of popularity.

And Van.. you haven't contacted me... I'm SOOO disappointed. You're so nice and kind on instant messenger when you're not trying to act all butch and cool in front of your friends!

Christ, you keep trying dont you. Your wind up routine has got a little rusty there, fatman.

Diegos miss though, he was offside!

 

[other red]

Christ, you keep trying dont you. Your wind up routine has got a little rusty there, fatman.

Diegos miss though, he was offside!

Ah, well that makes his lack of talent ok then!

Me fat? Come on Van... I'm 13 stone of muscle. Don't you still have the pictures?

I'll be at the Liverpool v Newcastle game next week. How about meeting me for a drink before the game and calling me fat when we meet?

p.s. my original post was not a wind-up. It's only when insulting little tossers like you decide to hurl abuse around that I give your childish meanderings the belittlement they deserve.

 

[jrsenior]

Listen to this man, he knows his football!

" 3 Gerard Houllier
Gerard Houllier has brought in his own tactical now-how. He's bought in quality players, and he has let some of the other players go. He's outted the moaners, and whingers at the club, and now has assembled a tight bunch of passionate players that are so glad that they have th privelage of wearing the red jersey. He's here for the long run. He said it would take time. And it has. But he's building a formidabble team, and no doubt his man manegement skills eminate through to the players. Controlled, focussed and never afraid to air his honest views, Houllier has finally brought back the spirit of the Liverpool of old. "

 

[Wibble]

Hiya lads... ukbob told me yous were missing me so wanted to say hiya... anyway, let me point out all that you've apparently missed.

1. Allow an ageing, obsessive and demented manager to continue ruling with an iron fist - have him piss off the club owners, the FA, the referees society, his best players and FIFA all in one season - yeah, that'll help.

Normal service in other words

2. Allow same manager to sell most influential and creative midfielder for 5 bob to a team already your superior.

25 million = 5bob? Unless you are naive enough to believe Beckham's self serving publicity then there was little choice and a good deal for United given the unlikelyhood of him signing a new contract

3. Refuse to accept the passage of time with respect to Giggs and Keane - and blindly ignore the fact you have no replacements.

Huh? I think most people realise that a replacement for Roy and Giggs will be needed shortly.

4. Surround the Neville brothers with mediocrity to show just how poor they really are. (Portsmouth, Liverpool - both the fault of GN)



5. Kid/convince yourselves that Brown, Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Fletcher, Bellion and Kleberson are TRULY Premiership quality - or indeed ever will be.

Brown has been excellent recently and can hardly be blamed for a lack of form after being rushed back from long term injury. If he can stay fit he will be a mainstay for years to come and an England regular. Forlan had a good period including his efforts against Liverpool but he has been disappointing recently. Off in the summer I'd guess. Fletcher has been very good in the middle and he is only 19. Lets see how he develops before rushing to conclusions eh? Bellion has been woeful and unless he improves significantly he won't make it. The Djemba twins have shown promise and Kleberson has been injured plus settling in problems. Lets see whay we think of both at the end of next season before slagging them. Remember that excellent players like divey Pires took quite a whileto settle in

6. Blame obvious lack of quality on the ABU conspiracy theory - "everyone's against us.. waah" (p.s. first penalty scored at OT in 10 years rather suggests a bias the other way)

You will always get idiots. We have had stuff to "blame" for our underperformance e.g. Magnier dispute, Rio's idiocy etc. Most has been self inflicyed although I do believe that the sentence Rio received isn't equitable given past punishements for the same offence even if it is justifiable under the laws governing the game. The FA shouldn't be run by clueless muppets with connections to clubs. We should look elsewhere for our clueless muppets

7. Blindly believe that Arsenal are just a bunch of arrogant thugs instead of realising that they are the new benchmark, and you urgently need to address it.

I think they are both. And still have a bottle problem. Or at least I hope they do.

8. Play RVN up front by himself until you realise that doesn't work and then have to make do with any player who happens to not be in the champion's league. (Saha is a good goalscorer, lazy player)

RVN worked rather well up front on his own although I'm not sure is is a good idea week in/week out. Saha was an excellent signing. What makes you think otherwise?

9. Bring back an ailing and ageing OGS and believe him to still be capable of his 1990s heroics.

Perhaps we should sell any player who is injured in case they aren't as good when they come back

10. Bring in Walter Smith, who has the excellent pedigree of maintaining Everton (yes, Everton) in the bottom 5-6 of the Premiership.

Most people on here suspect that the lack of a good number 2 has not helped our cause this campaign. Smith was always a temp until the end of the season and much better than the other short term alternatives. Hopefully we will get a permanent replacement in the close season

11. Understand that with a few billion quid around elsewhere now, suddenly your buying power is inconsequential.

Inconsequential? The only player we didn't get that I am pissed off about was Ronaldinho and even with him I suspect that he may have had trouble adapting to Manchester and the PL

12. Realise that you are based in Manchester, not London, when it comes to signing world class players.

I think most of us have always realised that this is a factor. And it means that the players we do sign are aften more commited to the cause. I hope

13. Hang on to Nicky Butt, cos apparently he's.. erm.. a key player... then play him as a winger.

That is why we are prepared to sell him. Excellent squad player but "key"? I don't think so.

14. Have, as your secret weapon, the embarassment that is Diego Forlan - worst striker in the Premiership who cost a cool 10 mill. (yes, I know he scored twice once!)

Two words - Emile Heskey - should have been three with the addition of the word donkey

15. Believe that 9 league defeats is merely a blip and normal service will resume in August.

Lets see shall we

Oh, and before you say it, yes I know we're shite too, but the fact is, we've realised it and know we have to do something about it.

How many years into the five year plan is and didn't you predict a Liverpool domination a couple of years ago. Good guess that

 

[mamboza]

"Gerard Houllier......'s building a formidabble team"

"I.....have watched the balance of power switch dramatically (just as I predicted)..... your time has been and gone....."

by other red
Nov 2001




Formidabble my ass!!!
And your prediction....
Stop looking into your glass ball and start watching some football and may be you will be less thick.

 

[other red]

"Gerard Houllier......'s building a formidabble team"

"I.....have watched the balance of power switch dramatically (just as I predicted)..... your time has been and gone....."

by other red
Nov 2001




Formidabble my ass!!!
And your prediction....
Stop looking into your glass ball and start watching some football and may be you will be less thick.

Oh yawn.... let me explain ONE MORE TIME. Go back to the original article and read the opening first friggin' lines... that say something like:

"I can't take the credit for this as I didn't write it, but...."

I posted it off another website for your amusement, but apparently you're too thick to be able to read opening lines....

Had I written it, I'd have been happy to be credited with it.

 

[other red]

Oh yawn.... let me explain ONE MORE TIME. Go back to the original article and read the opening first friggin' lines... that say something like:

"I can't take the credit for this as I didn't write it, but...."

I posted it off another website for your amusement, but apparently you're too thick to be able to read opening lines....

Had I written it, I'd have been happy to be credited with it.

Oh, but it is true that your time has been and gone! To understand why, scroll up to first post.

p.s. If you dominate the 2000s, please feel free to slag me for this prediction... YOUR TIME HAS BEEN AND IS NOW GONE!

 

[JJ_Batchelor]

Had I written it, I'd have been happy to be credited with it.

Whether you wrote it or if it's your pals from the Mickey Mouse contigent who wrote it, it doesnt make any freakin difference.

 

[Alek M]

Lads Lads, Im shocked that you have even justified this morons ramblings by replying to him.

Need I remind you, other red is theartist of this master piece

But you are falling into his trap. Fcuk all these opposing wum fans that all of a sudden are geniuses of football and know all about the fall, crumble and whatnot. Why don't you all go back to the CM and play your strategies there. You all are just a bit scared and want to believe that we are down, but the truth is, we are inches away from being invincible again.

 

[no7z]

I agree with point (2) the rest is all kind off exagerated and..bullshit

 

[Toofy]

15. Believe that 9 league defeats is merely a blip and normal service will resume in August.

I thought that Harry Kewell jioned the club which was going to cause the 'Power Shift' in the PL?

 

[Plechazunga]

you're too thick to be able to read opening lines....

While we're on the subject of being a bit thick, your first post is marvellous on the coherence front. You start off 'pointing out all we've apparently missed', but then your list appears to be a list of hilariously ironic 'how to lose ground as a football team' points - despite lacking any explanation to that effect. Then towards the end you randomly switch from things we supposedly have done ('Allow an aging SAF etc.') to things in your view we haven't (Realise you're based in Manchester' etc).

What a weak attempt at a wind-up.

So much for form...the rubbish content has been dissected well enough above.

Still, at least you know a lot about People Management...

Your final plea not to bring a comparison with Pool into it is particularly lame. You may be 'trying to do something about it' but you're not doing very well are you? Yes we've been pretty shite this season, but we're still 15 points ahead of you and in the FA Cup final. You're very poor.

As for not dominating the 2000s, we've won 99/00, 00/001 and 02/03 so far - not bad going for a club in decline.

One last thing - as a point of forum etiquette, would you mind not trying to flirt with young Van? It's slightly disturbing.

 

[other red]

One last thing - as a point of forum etiquette, would you mind not trying to flirt with young Van? It's slightly disturbing.

He he.. good one. Got a laugh from that one.

As for a weak wind up.... yeah, you're right! But it's fun to come in here once a year with the fishing rod. It's the only place I know where the fish are always biting

 

[Marcus]

He he.. good one. Got a laugh from that one.

As for a weak wind up.... yeah, you're right! But it's fun to come in here once a year with the fishing rod. It's the only place I know where the fish are always biting

Where are you the rest of the year? Praying for a dip in United's form and another corner turn by Houllier so that you can come here and gloat? Pathetic. Show your face here all the time or not at all.

 

[SiLeNc3r]

well said