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<a href="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=273601&cc=5739" target="_blank">"...so I'll buy the renties instead."</a> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Bates is a clear lunatic.
 

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Originally posted by spinoza:
<strong><a href="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=273601&cc=5739" target="_blank">"...so I'll buy the renties instead."</a> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Bates is a clear lunatic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not even worth a comment, dude <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 

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What utter bollocks! Why not admit he didn't want to spend the amount it would have taken to buy us out, and it's doubtful our shareholders would have agreed to it anyway, Fergie's mates have got their own designs on the board...
 

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Originally posted by markpud:
<strong>What utter bollocks! Why not admit he didn't want to spend the amount it would have taken to buy us out, and it's doubtful our shareholders would have agreed to it anyway, Fergie's mates have got their own designs on the board...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Right on. By the time he's finished trying to buy a team at Chelsea it probably would have been cheaper to have bought United in the first place, given the quality of players we have !! Meanwhile, depending what happens with Fergie's transfer targets and success or otherwise in Europe this season plus what happens with the Chelski experiment, I can definitely see a takeover bid coming up at United sooner or later.
 

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Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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I can definitely see a takeover bid coming up at United sooner or later.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Coolmore mafia should have done it when the price was less than a quid. It's quite expensive to do it now. Not for a bit I reckon.
 

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Originally posted by spinoza:
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The Coolmore mafia should have done it when the price was less than a quid. It's quite expensive to do it now. Not for a bit I reckon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed particularly if Fergie is able to land Kleberson, Ronaldo and a defender without too much buggering about by the Plc. Then onto a successful season with the ultimate ECL prize. Fergie wants that more than anything else before he retires. Perhaps he's even aiming at a couple to really cement his place in history! Hopefully the current squad with the three additions will be good enough to achieve that goal. However, if not and Fergie needs to strengthen further the Plc will have to provide the wherewithal and avoid another Ronaldinho debacle, otherwise a takeover with Fergie's support is the only way to obtain a dispensation which supports the team and its aspirations first and foremost and not its shareholders primarily.
 

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Originally posted by Plechazunga:
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Back when we were Newton Heath? McManus and Magnier were only about 60 at the time, and probably didn't have the cash...</strong><hr></blockquote>

End of 2001 beginning of 2002 if I remember correctly. I had no spare cash then or I'd be sitting on a 40-50% gain.
 

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Originally posted by spinoza:
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End of 2001 beginning of 2002 if I remember correctly. I had no spare cash then or I'd be sitting on a 40-50% gain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

ah...a quid a share...I see - turns out I might have been being a bit of a facetious twat...BTW, I know sod all about economics so excuse me if this is shite, but wouldn't splashing out on loads of new players as Julian suggests send the share price down, so leaving the club open to a buy-out by some oligarch or other?
 

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Originally posted by Plechazunga:
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ah...a quid a share...I see - turns out I might have been being a bit of a facetious twat...BTW, I know sod all about economics so excuse me if this is shite, but wouldn't splashing out on loads of new players as Julian suggests send the share price down, so leaving the club open to a buy-out by some oligarch or other?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not if they help you win stuff it won't. We don't have a massively huge transfer budget anyway, at least in comparison with the cash we have.

If we spent 50m quid on Heskey / Cygan who clearly won't add anything to our squad and is quite possibly useless it would send the share price down. But if we buy talent for reasonable (in relative terms) prices there shouldn't be any reason why the price will go down.
 

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Originally posted by Plechazunga:
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ah...a quid a share...I see - turns out I might have been being a bit of a facetious twat...BTW, I know sod all about economics so excuse me if this is shite, but wouldn't splashing out on loads of new players as Julian suggests send the share price down, so leaving the club open to a buy-out by some oligarch or other?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The people who will complain if the share price goes down are the pension funds who hold United shares and others who are only in it for investment and profit. In any event Kenyon and co will only buy players if they can ultimately balance the books by letting go others as we have seen. Selling Becks and Veron means the share price goes up because we have cash in the bank, or the promise of cahs in the bank later, plus a saving in overheads ie wages. Fergie knows this hence his equivocation over Veron, a player he would have liked to have kept if the deal were not so good gor business. As I have said if these transfers come off and success continues to be forthcoming with Fergie realising his goals, then the current dispensation may continue. However, if it doesn't happen the way we want it to and should Chelsea carry all before them (hopefully not) and say Arsenal or Liverpool also get bought out with money to spend all over the place and no pension funds to worry about, then I don't think the current Plc dispensation will survive. Of course there are potential pitfalls and whoever has designs on United had better, unlike Knighton, have very serious money available like Abramovich appears to have. It's no good just buying out the current shareholders, substantial capital needs to be made available to the manager to buy the players he needs and not to be buggered around like Fergie was by PSG.