The Glazers and the Squad.

I look at our squad and it is obvious that we need need a massive rebuild. For a title challenging team we only have 5 players worthy of the starting eleven: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, Pogba and Martial. So we need 6 more quality signings without not losing any important players.

The problem is that the board is too slow in the transfer market to turn this around any time soon. I predict we will need at least decade to start challenging again... but a competent would only need two years.

SAred said:

Can not hire the right people they hired Louis , Jose all great managers but did not work out. Do they really need to know football when they hire managers that know football.

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Yes, because they (or Woodward) invested heavily in rebuilding the squad for LVG. He required possession based players. Big spending required.
Then they sacked LVG and lurched to Jose who required counter attacking giants. A completely new rebuild required. It's the opposite of a smooth transition. Its 2 completely different training methods, ideologies which require totally different players. Wasting money and delaying the completion of the rebuild.

Then Woodward extended Jose's contract but didn't give him the players he wanted and needed to strengthen the squad to challenge. This caused Jose to down tools. Unprofessional, but predictable up.wneryone except Woodward.

Then Woodward promised us a director of football to stop the clusterfeck of terrible decisions he was making. To help choose the new manager and long term footballing strategy.

But apparently Ole's handful of games in charge against weak opposition last season was enough to completely change Woodwards mind on the need for greater footballing knowledge at the club. Who needs Poch. Who need a long term strategy. Let's lurch again into another dead end.

If you want to judge Glazers just look at their other sports franchises. None of them successful and everyone of them struggling. More than enough evidence to show they don't know what they are doing or don't care.

SAred said:

For every City there is a Liverpool and or Spurs. Just because the money is there does not guarantee success has United have shown but the money has been there and yes I agree paying over the top for players but would Sanchez have chosen United over City if it was not for his back pocket.

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We are MANCHESTER UNITED. Not Lfc or Spurs, who are both above us. We have had 100 times the money and prestige that those clubs hav . We should have won another title by now.

Seriously, you are complicating things for yourself. We have shit owners and incompetent ceo. Ed's is in charge of footballing matters and he has NOT delivered. Very simple. Don't keep on blaming players and managers. If the managers are in charge of the football team and don't get results and get sacked, so should Ed. He is in charge of football operations and not getting the results, so he SHOULD also get the sack. Simple.

Fluctuation0161 said:

Yes, because they (or Woodward) invested heavily in rebuilding the squad for LVG. He required possession based players. Big spending required.
Then they sacked LVG and lurched to Jose who required counter attacking giants. A completely new rebuild required. It's the opposite of a smooth transition. Its 2 completely different training methods, ideologies which require totally different players. Wasting money and delaying the completion of the rebuild.

Then Woodward extended Jose's contract but didn't give him the players he wanted and needed to strengthen the squad to challenge. This caused Jose to down tools. Unprofessional, but predictable up.wneryone except Woodward.

Then Woodward promised us a director of football to stop the clusterfeck of terrible decisions he was making. To help choose the new manager and long term footballing strategy.

But apparently Ole's handful of games in charge against weak opposition last season was enough to completely change Woodwards mind on the need for greater footballing knowledge at the club. Who needs Poch. Who need a long term strategy. Let's lurch again into another dead end.

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Good point, the fact that we still don't have a director of football is enough to blame the Glazers IMO.

ManchesterYoda said:

I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.

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Jesus. I thought our fanbase was beginning to cotton on to the problem. Apparently not, reading your post. Who picked that group of managers?

Pipan said:

Good point, the fact that we still don't have a director of football is enough to blame the Glazers IMO.

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And who has been talking about a DoF/TD? Ed himself. So he sees the need for one But 18 months later, still no one signed up. AGAIN, incompetent at his job.

SAred said:

You cant believe that Ed is signing players that managers don't want, Jose was pity excited when we got Sanchez has most United fans where. And just because we are MANCHESTER UNITED does not give us the right to win things. But for fans to say and of coarse we are all a little cheesed that Bunley are in the champions league places and UNITED are not can not be blamed on Ed and or The Glazers for lack of investment that simply is not true. The investment has not brought in the results but there has been some pity good players brought in oh and Fred.

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So someone has to take responsibility for our mess, who is it?

SAred said:

After extending his contract the only player Jose did not get was Harry, he got that great Brazilian Fred oh and 3 goal Sanchez no wonder Ed was getting concerned in backing him. And before you say why back him, he did get United to the best of the rest so why not extend it seemed the right thing to do.

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Sanchez was exchanged for Miki. Yes he had high wages but he was a free transfer/swap.

No manager has 100% success on transfers. That is football. You cant just stop spending at a critical time when we had finished 2nd and were playing catchup to City. Strategically that was the KEY time to invest and end the decline.

We then overpayed for Maguire the following season anyway! Perisic was also rumoured as wanted by Jose.

SAred said:

They did not know Jose was going to be available and most of us thought he should of took over from Sir Alex but because of a club legend and Sir Alex himself that did not happen. So when he became available they where not going to pass the chance up and got him.

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Because they had no plan and no long term strategy. Look how long City planned to get Pep. They got Soriano and Txiki in 2012. Meanwhile we make knee jerk decisions on the whim of Woodward.

There is no long term plan. So yes, I blame the Glazers. We pay too much in terms of wages so can’t move on our average players quickly. Transfer amounts are not necessarily the issue, if a player does not make it, they can be moved on at a small loss if another team can cover their pay. No new contracts for players that have spent most of their previous on the treatment table or on the bench. We have loads of bench quality players as it is.

Get in a DoF and new coaches.

Pipan said:

Good point, the fact that we still don't have a director of football is enough to blame the Glazers IMO.

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True. They certainly don't know what they are doing.

You can blame the Glazers yes they are at the top of the food chain, squad isn't good enough? That's on Woodward and they are his superiors so if he is doing a shit job they're supposed to do something about it right

We haven't made a step forward since the Moyes days.

SAred said:

And Ed offered inter Milan what was fair that quality player is not has if he did not try to get him in just Inter wanted to much and regards to Harry Jose brought 2 center halves in already how many did he want. Just because it did not work out you can not keep buying until it does United don't have a pointless pit. The Glazers have backed there managers 90 percent of the time unfortunately it has not worked out.

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How do you know Woodward offered what was "fair"? You're beginning to sound like you'll defend him at all costs. You support a club, not a CEO!

It's not "unfortunate", it's bad planning, a lack of football knowledge at the club and lack of succession planning.

As I said, no manager has 100% success on transfers. Even Fergie. Or look at Nolito and Bravo for Pep. They cycled them out asap. Our board is incompetent.

Ollie Derbyshire said:

Our great club has now become the laughing stock of world football, this has been allowed to happen under their watch so they have to take a large share of the blame, do I think it is all the fault, absolutely not. Since the last two years or so under Sir Alex we have made bad decision after bad decision at all levels of the club. During this time I can only really think of negatives associated with us, yes we have won the odd trophy but in my eyes those were due in large parts to luck on the day and we could have lost all of them. My memory isn’t great but these are the negatives I remember that have led us to this point;

Under Sir Alex ( last couple of years)

• Allowing key players (Ronaldo for example) to leave and replacing with squad players
• Allowing the squad to age to a state were the spine of the team were all over the hill and needed replacing at the same time, Rio, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs. It’s one thing to have experienced players in the squad but not 5-6 players on their last legs requiring replacement for the next manager. These 5 were all world class players and the money needed to be invested to move forward in one go was ridiculously managed.
• Allowing average players to stay at the club for too long, Nani/Anderson for example, this issue is still haunting us to this day, Jones/Rojo/Young/Pereria
• No cohesive team play, relying on individuals to win games (Van Persie)

End of Sir Alex era;

• Allowing Sir Alex and David Gill to leave the club at the same time, this was an unbelievably bad decision, this must have been known for a while so why we didn’t manage this better is beyond me
• Hiring Ed Woodward, a proven commercial deal genius to deal with the football side of things as well
• Hiring David Moyes, a slightly above average manager with no big club experience or even world class coaching skills.

David Moyes

• Sub title says it all really - the amount of times he admitted to being surprised to be asked to manage us told everyone what they needed to know but if that wasn’t enough.....
• Allowing Fellaini’s release clause to expire and pay more for him a couple of days later

Louie Van Gaal

• Buying Di Maria when he blatantly didn’t want to come to us and was desperate to go to PSG. Compounding this by playing him as a wide forward when he was man of the match in the previous Champions League final as an attacking midfielder. Since then we have continued this trend until this season.
• Stocking up on players with a serious lack of pace when everyone and his dog knows you need this to succeed in the Premier League unless your team is seriously well drilled which we weren’t / aren’t
• Throwing out his game plan when we lost to Leicester 5-3, after that game came the zombie midfield passing that we are still doing today

Jose Mourinho

• Took the job with a serious chip on his shoulder and was miserable throughout, clearly he should have had a break from football at that time but we took a chance on him and it backfired massively
• Instead of positive man management for which he was famous for he actively found reasons to pick fights with everyone, even belittling players in the media

Ole Solskjaer

• Back to the Moyes era, another manager with no big club experience or any noticeable world class coaching skills
• Agrees to let Lukaku and Sanchez leave but not demand a replacement. I have no issue with letting them go but it has left us far too light in terms of goals
• Allowed our midfield to get to the point were Andreas Pereira is now a first team player
• Some of the worst performances the team has put out in the last 10 years
• Preached that he would install a level,of fitness that meant even if we weren’t the best team we would be able to out run most teams and that we would press the hell out of them. I haven’t seen either of these promises so far. When we play Liverpool we’ll be able to compare ourselves to team with a real hunger to run and press. Just like we used to have

Scouting team

• Underpinning all of this is our scouting team, what the hell are they getting paid to do, whoever brought Fred to the clubs attention should be fired just for that.
• Not pursuing Bruno Fernandes because his passing wasn’t good enough? That sort of thing worse me massively cause it means we think our current players are actually good at it
• The number of players we have passed up on and not actively pursued is criminal, this may not be their fault but surely we should be scouting players and making sure we pick up some of the talented players out there.

Players

• Let’s not forget the players here either, over the last 10 years or so the number of horrendous individual performances that I’ve witnessed is staggering.
• The number of players seemingly happy to pick up their pay check without any perceivable effort is beyond belief, I have no idea how someone like Rojo for example is even a professional footballer.
• Our over estimation of our youth players. Lingard, Rashford, Pereria, McTominay, are all squad level players in my opinion but we are now reliant on these players. As this is the case I would expect a lot more effort from most of them and indeed the squad as a whole. I don’t know this years stats but it is no surprise we have averaged one of the least running yards in the league over the last few years. I don’t blame this on the mangers it is purely a lack of desire and professionalism from our players

Coaches

• No cohesive team play that I can see for about 10+ years
• Can’t put 2 games together with the same game plan
• What the hell do they do, this is serious question, they can’t be doing the same as everyone else as even Rochdale outplayed us

Medical teams

• I don’t believe that we have simply bought so many injury plagued players, every year we have multiple players out for long periods of time

Sorry for the rant but I see this club being mismanaged throughout every level, owners, ceo, manager, coaches, scouting, medical teams and especially the players. Until these are all addressed this situation will continue.

The only positive I have is that at least Ole’s transfers this season have so far proved good business for me. Due to his complete lack of any game plan or coaching skills I would be tempted to move him to the DoF position and bring in someone that can seriously coach a team of players to play above their level like Brendon Rogers. He would be my first choice with Pochettino second.

Feel free to cut this all to pieces

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No need to cut this to pieces mate, thing you are fairly spot on and probably took it quite easy on each section!! Fair play

@SAred who is to blame for our decline?

SAred said:

Every manager was brought in for a long term plan you don't sign a manager for 6 years and not think long term a manager that was recommended by Sir Alex. LVG came and when Jose came available he was the best that was avaiable United was not going to miss out a second time.

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How many managers in the Premiership have been in their job.for 6 years or more?

It's a naive idea to have no contingency plans, even if you intend to keep one manager long term.

IrishMcD said:

No need to cut this to pieces mate, thing you are fairly spot on and probably took it quite easy on each section!! Fair play

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Thanks, I could have gone on for longer but it gets too depressing !!!

SAred said:

Why a stupid thread, the Glazers have backed the club with managers and players and paid over the top and given crazy wages out to get those players in, it has not worked out but to say the glazers have not backed the club is incorrect you can not except them to keep chucking money to fix the same problem because one Fred did not work out so lets get another one while not be able to move the originally Fred.

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The reason this is a stupid thread is because it's mindblowingly myopic.

We've had four different managers and countless players during this slide into obscurity yet you still want to fixate on the individual player or manager and apportion no blame at all to the decision makers who have presided over all of it.

Owners, board, scouting department, manager, coaches, players, cleaning staff, fred, fred the red - there's plenty of blame to go around. You can argue over how much should be apportioned to each, but for the love of god can we please stop pretending that this is the fault of a single bad manager, a few bad players or a single poor transfer window and acknowledge there are systemic problems at all areas of the club that need addressing. Until we do, we will be doomed to be stuck in this Ole Out / Jose Out / Moyes Out / LVG Out; Drop Lingard / Drop Fred / Drop Matic / Drop Rashford / Play The Kids myopic groundhog day forever.

We need to be realistic that this is not a problem that can be fixed by appointing a new manager, signing a new player or having a good transfer window.

We have structural problems from the top down that need to be addressed if we ever want to challenge with a state-funded city and smartly run, organised and driven waking giant (Liverpool).

It's up to the owners to address them as they are the ones with the fiduciary responsibility and the power to do something about it.

I've seen some bizarre Glazer apologism on here over the last few years, but some of your replies seem to suggest that you think they are blameless because they give our managers some money to spend, as if the only mark of a good owner is allowing the club to spend it's own money on transfers and wages.

Ollie Derbyshire said:

Our great club has now become the laughing stock of world football, this has been allowed to happen under their watch so they have to take a large share of the blame, do I think it is all the fault, absolutely not. Since the last two years or so under Sir Alex we have made bad decision after bad decision at all levels of the club. During this time I can only really think of negatives associated with us, yes we have won the odd trophy but in my eyes those were due in large parts to luck on the day and we could have lost all of them. My memory isn’t great but these are the negatives I remember that have led us to this point;

Under Sir Alex ( last couple of years)

• Allowing key players (Ronaldo for example) to leave and replacing with squad players
• Allowing the squad to age to a state were the spine of the team were all over the hill and needed replacing at the same time, Rio, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs. It’s one thing to have experienced players in the squad but not 5-6 players on their last legs requiring replacement for the next manager. These 5 were all world class players and the money needed to be invested to move forward in one go was ridiculously managed.
• Allowing average players to stay at the club for too long, Nani/Anderson for example, this issue is still haunting us to this day, Jones/Rojo/Young/Pereria
• No cohesive team play, relying on individuals to win games (Van Persie)

End of Sir Alex era;

• Allowing Sir Alex and David Gill to leave the club at the same time, this was an unbelievably bad decision, this must have been known for a while so why we didn’t manage this better is beyond me
• Hiring Ed Woodward, a proven commercial deal genius to deal with the football side of things as well
• Hiring David Moyes, a slightly above average manager with no big club experience or even world class coaching skills.

David Moyes

• Sub title says it all really - the amount of times he admitted to being surprised to be asked to manage us told everyone what they needed to know but if that wasn’t enough.....
• Allowing Fellaini’s release clause to expire and pay more for him a couple of days later

Louie Van Gaal

• Buying Di Maria when he blatantly didn’t want to come to us and was desperate to go to PSG. Compounding this by playing him as a wide forward when he was man of the match in the previous Champions League final as an attacking midfielder. Since then we have continued this trend until this season.
• Stocking up on players with a serious lack of pace when everyone and his dog knows you need this to succeed in the Premier League unless your team is seriously well drilled which we weren’t / aren’t
• Throwing out his game plan when we lost to Leicester 5-3, after that game came the zombie midfield passing that we are still doing today

Jose Mourinho

• Took the job with a serious chip on his shoulder and was miserable throughout, clearly he should have had a break from football at that time but we took a chance on him and it backfired massively
• Instead of positive man management for which he was famous for he actively found reasons to pick fights with everyone, even belittling players in the media

Ole Solskjaer

• Back to the Moyes era, another manager with no big club experience or any noticeable world class coaching skills
• Agrees to let Lukaku and Sanchez leave but not demand a replacement. I have no issue with letting them go but it has left us far too light in terms of goals
• Allowed our midfield to get to the point were Andreas Pereira is now a first team player
• Some of the worst performances the team has put out in the last 10 years
• Preached that he would install a level,of fitness that meant even if we weren’t the best team we would be able to out run most teams and that we would press the hell out of them. I haven’t seen either of these promises so far. When we play Liverpool we’ll be able to compare ourselves to team with a real hunger to run and press. Just like we used to have

Scouting team

• Underpinning all of this is our scouting team, what the hell are they getting paid to do, whoever brought Fred to the clubs attention should be fired just for that.
• Not pursuing Bruno Fernandes because his passing wasn’t good enough? That sort of thing worse me massively cause it means we think our current players are actually good at it
• The number of players we have passed up on and not actively pursued is criminal, this may not be their fault but surely we should be scouting players and making sure we pick up some of the talented players out there.

Players

• Let’s not forget the players here either, over the last 10 years or so the number of horrendous individual performances that I’ve witnessed is staggering.
• The number of players seemingly happy to pick up their pay check without any perceivable effort is beyond belief, I have no idea how someone like Rojo for example is even a professional footballer.
• Our over estimation of our youth players. Lingard, Rashford, Pereria, McTominay, are all squad level players in my opinion but we are now reliant on these players. As this is the case I would expect a lot more effort from most of them and indeed the squad as a whole. I don’t know this years stats but it is no surprise we have averaged one of the least running yards in the league over the last few years. I don’t blame this on the mangers it is purely a lack of desire and professionalism from our players

Coaches

• No cohesive team play that I can see for about 10+ years
• Can’t put 2 games together with the same game plan
• What the hell do they do, this is serious question, they can’t be doing the same as everyone else as even Rochdale outplayed us

Medical teams

• I don’t believe that we have simply bought so many injury plagued players, every year we have multiple players out for long periods of time

Sorry for the rant but I see this club being mismanaged throughout every level, owners, ceo, manager, coaches, scouting, medical teams and especially the players. Until these are all addressed this situation will continue.

The only positive I have is that at least Ole’s transfers this season have so far proved good business for me. Due to his complete lack of any game plan or coaching skills I would be tempted to move him to the DoF position and bring in someone that can seriously coach a team of players to play above their level like Brendon Rogers. He would be my first choice with Pochettino second.

Feel free to cut this all to pieces

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Promote this guy.

Ali Dia said:

This.

We’ve spent enough once it became apparent that we really needed to. Yes maybe it was too little too late but could anyone see us dropping off this badly post Fergie? We’ve spent close to a billion quid on shit players. We’ve handed out massive contracts to dross. We’ve hired the wrong manager over and over again. That’s all on Woodward. He has the final say once the money is released.

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Yep. It’s mind boggling that he’s not been fired or even just lost his footballing power at the club after all the money he’s thrown down the drain. Yeah he brings in a sponsor or 2 but the damage the football operation has done to the Glazers will have medium to long term effects for them and I’m surprised he’s not been held accountable.

SAred said:

Can we really blame the Glazers. And here is my argument that you can't.

Lets have a look at some of the players that Ed has signed up and I doubt that many where signed without consulting the manager first, Fred 50 plus now he has not looked like a 5 million pound player since he has arrived but Jose wanted him and Ed paid over the top to get him, he has not worked out and now United are stuck with a 50 million pound player they can not shift.

Look Fred is one of many but just using him has an example has he does seem the worst of the lot. So how can we expect the Glazers to chuck another x million at another player in Fred's position when we can't get rid of Fred.

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100% you can blame the Glazers, and here is the why.

2013;
2014;
2015:
2016:
2017:
2018:
2019:

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that over the last 6 years we have had a serious depletion of both quality and experience from our team that has never been sufficiently replaced.

The only constant that we've had over those years: Glazers as owners and Ed Woodward as CEO.

Where we are right now is as a result of the transfer policy that the club, the Glazers, have overseen. They have allowed managers like Moyes and LvG to gut our squads without replacing the quality.

We got a manager in, Mourinho, who identified the gaps in quality and experience, but he wasn't backed. He was asked to win with what he had.

Consider that for a second. We lost Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher, van Persie, Nani, Rafael and replaced them with Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Depay, Blind.

Its no surprise that we are where we are.

Now we are trying to blood kids into the team because they refuse to invest where it is needed. But hey, that's ok, the fans will go after the manager because most of them are like seagulls following trawlers.

Ollie Derbyshire said:

Our great club has now become the laughing stock of world football, this has been allowed to happen under their watch so they have to take a large share of the blame, do I think it is all the fault, absolutely not. Since the last two years or so under Sir Alex we have made bad decision after bad decision at all levels of the club. During this time I can only really think of negatives associated with us, yes we have won the odd trophy but in my eyes those were due in large parts to luck on the day and we could have lost all of them. My memory isn’t great but these are the negatives I remember that have led us to this point;

Under Sir Alex ( last couple of years)

• Allowing key players (Ronaldo for example) to leave and replacing with squad players
• Allowing the squad to age to a state were the spine of the team were all over the hill and needed replacing at the same time, Rio, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs. It’s one thing to have experienced players in the squad but not 5-6 players on their last legs requiring replacement for the next manager. These 5 were all world class players and the money needed to be invested to move forward in one go was ridiculously managed.
• Allowing average players to stay at the club for too long, Nani/Anderson for example, this issue is still haunting us to this day, Jones/Rojo/Young/Pereria
• No cohesive team play, relying on individuals to win games (Van Persie)

End of Sir Alex era;

• Allowing Sir Alex and David Gill to leave the club at the same time, this was an unbelievably bad decision, this must have been known for a while so why we didn’t manage this better is beyond me
• Hiring Ed Woodward, a proven commercial deal genius to deal with the football side of things as well
• Hiring David Moyes, a slightly above average manager with no big club experience or even world class coaching skills.

David Moyes

• Sub title says it all really - the amount of times he admitted to being surprised to be asked to manage us told everyone what they needed to know but if that wasn’t enough.....
• Allowing Fellaini’s release clause to expire and pay more for him a couple of days later

Louie Van Gaal

• Buying Di Maria when he blatantly didn’t want to come to us and was desperate to go to PSG. Compounding this by playing him as a wide forward when he was man of the match in the previous Champions League final as an attacking midfielder. Since then we have continued this trend until this season.
• Stocking up on players with a serious lack of pace when everyone and his dog knows you need this to succeed in the Premier League unless your team is seriously well drilled which we weren’t / aren’t
• Throwing out his game plan when we lost to Leicester 5-3, after that game came the zombie midfield passing that we are still doing today

Jose Mourinho

• Took the job with a serious chip on his shoulder and was miserable throughout, clearly he should have had a break from football at that time but we took a chance on him and it backfired massively
• Instead of positive man management for which he was famous for he actively found reasons to pick fights with everyone, even belittling players in the media

Ole Solskjaer

• Back to the Moyes era, another manager with no big club experience or any noticeable world class coaching skills
• Agrees to let Lukaku and Sanchez leave but not demand a replacement. I have no issue with letting them go but it has left us far too light in terms of goals
• Allowed our midfield to get to the point were Andreas Pereira is now a first team player
• Some of the worst performances the team has put out in the last 10 years
• Preached that he would install a level,of fitness that meant even if we weren’t the best team we would be able to out run most teams and that we would press the hell out of them. I haven’t seen either of these promises so far. When we play Liverpool we’ll be able to compare ourselves to team with a real hunger to run and press. Just like we used to have

Scouting team

• Underpinning all of this is our scouting team, what the hell are they getting paid to do, whoever brought Fred to the clubs attention should be fired just for that.
• Not pursuing Bruno Fernandes because his passing wasn’t good enough? That sort of thing worse me massively cause it means we think our current players are actually good at it
• The number of players we have passed up on and not actively pursued is criminal, this may not be their fault but surely we should be scouting players and making sure we pick up some of the talented players out there.

Players

• Let’s not forget the players here either, over the last 10 years or so the number of horrendous individual performances that I’ve witnessed is staggering.
• The number of players seemingly happy to pick up their pay check without any perceivable effort is beyond belief, I have no idea how someone like Rojo for example is even a professional footballer.
• Our over estimation of our youth players. Lingard, Rashford, Pereria, McTominay, are all squad level players in my opinion but we are now reliant on these players. As this is the case I would expect a lot more effort from most of them and indeed the squad as a whole. I don’t know this years stats but it is no surprise we have averaged one of the least running yards in the league over the last few years. I don’t blame this on the mangers it is purely a lack of desire and professionalism from our players

Coaches

• No cohesive team play that I can see for about 10+ years
• Can’t put 2 games together with the same game plan
• What the hell do they do, this is serious question, they can’t be doing the same as everyone else as even Rochdale outplayed us

Medical teams

• I don’t believe that we have simply bought so many injury plagued players, every year we have multiple players out for long periods of time

Sorry for the rant but I see this club being mismanaged throughout every level, owners, ceo, manager, coaches, scouting, medical teams and especially the players. Until these are all addressed this situation will continue.

The only positive I have is that at least Ole’s transfers this season have so far proved good business for me. Due to his complete lack of any game plan or coaching skills I would be tempted to move him to the DoF position and bring in someone that can seriously coach a team of players to play above their level like Brendon Rogers. He would be my first choice with Pochettino second.

Feel free to cut this all to pieces

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Spot on mate. Good post.

Green_Red said:

100% you can blame the Glazers, and here is the why.

2013;

Out: Scholes, Fabio Zaha and Anderson.
In: Mata and Fellaini.​

2014;

Out: Kagawa, Evra, Fletcher, Vidic, Ferdinand and Giggs (incl. others)
In: Di Maria, Shaw, Herrera, Rojo, Blind and Falcao.​

2015:

Out: Di Maria, Chicharito, Evans, van Persie, Nani, Rafael and Cleverley.
In: Martial, Schneiderlin, Depay, Darmian and Schweinsteiger.​

2016:

Out: Schneiderlin, Depay, Schweinsteiger.
In: Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Bailley and Zlatan.​

2017:

Out: Rooney, Zlatan, Mkhitarya.
In: Lakaku, Matic, Lindleof and Sanchez​

2018:

Out: Blind, Fellaini.
In: Fred, Dalot and Grant​

2019:

Out: Lakaku, Smalling, Darmian, Valencia, Herrera and Sanchez.
In: Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and James​

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that over the last 6 years we have had a serious depletion of both quality and experience from our team that has never been sufficiently replaced.

The only constant that we've had over those years: Glazers as owners and Ed Woodward as CEO.

Where we are right now is as a result of the transfer policy that the club, the Glazers, have overseen. They have allowed managers like Moyes and LvG to gut our squads without replacing the quality.

We got a manager in, Mourinho, who identified the gaps in quality and experience, but he wasn't backed. He was asked to win with what he had.

Consider that for a second. We lost Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher, van Persie, Nani, Rafael and replaced them with Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Depay, Blind.

Its no surprise that we are where we are.

Now we are trying to blood kids into the team because they refuse to invest where it is needed. But hey, that's ok, the fans will go after the manager because most of them are like seagulls following trawlers.

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And I get the argument of hindsight. However, Glazer's and have had enough time and have given us 0 hope they can/will bring back titles.

Please Glazer apologists, take a look at yourselves. If we all get behind and focus our energies on getting these parasites out, we will be a step closer to becoming a force again.

We’ve spent the same kind of money as the oil clubs and more than Bayern Juve etc etc in the last 7 years. It’s just we spent it on crap because we are very very badly run. It’s not rocket science. We could have been in for any of these players City Chelsea Liverpool Spurs and in some cases even Leicester fecking city were in for and got them for a fair price. We’ve just consistently gone for the wrong players and managers and that’s down to Woodward at the end of the day.

red thru&thru said:

@SAred who is to blame for our decline?

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Apparently is Fred.

ManchesterYoda said:

I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.

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You have a short memory, the football under those three managers became shocking, and they had far better players than Ole has at this moment in time.

We needed a full clear out this summer. It didn't happen. Now we are f'd.

You cannot tell players, directly or indirectly, that you don't want them and not sell. Some basic human psychology: if you tell your workers you don't want them and are only keeping them cos you ain't been able to get rid they aren't going to give 100% for you.

Over and over we have renewed the contracts of players the manager, be it Jose of Ole, clearly don't fancy. How then do we expect those managers to get the best out of those players? Ole is having to rely on someone like Rojo who was a few bob away from going to Everton. How's that gonna work?

Two summers running the board has blown up our season before it's started. They didn't let Mourinho cleanse the dressing room, they didn't let Ole, they won't let the next guy. You will have managers lumbered with players that they don't want and the cycle will start over.

Mismanagement of the club has destroyed us.

utdalltheway said:

The Glazers are businessmen.
They don’t have to understand football but they should have people that do running that part of the club.
Ultimately it’s on them to hire the right people. Right now it’s clear we don’t have those people so the Glazers should do what needs doing.
That’s a lot of dos.

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Im a Glazer.

In my board meetings the first thing I look at is the financial results and trends. All I see is upward growth: in revenue, profits, attendances, social media engagement, share price etc etc. Recently, even operating costs and the wage bill has come down! More profits!

As far as I'm concerned, everything is going great. Carry on doing whatever it is you're doing over there Ed! Hey, have a pina colada and a bonus too!

Here is what I blame them for. Not the squad. At least not directly.

I blame them for not having a coherent vision on how to take the club forward and not bothering to hire people who can develop the team according to that vision and build a team ready to challenge for trophies and provide continuity.

Look at City's and Liverpool's owners, they came in from day one with a clear vision on how to build a successful team and develop their clubs, it took a while for both of them to really get it going, but they got the men behind the team in place and made sure the team was developed according to their vision.

The Glazers don't have that. They took over a well oiled machine that was held together by SAF. He retired and now the machine is without direction or even a map on how to get back on course. The people in charge of the club and the coaching team don't pull in the same direction, no one is really clear what to do once the next manager is gone and everything starts again.

I blame them for being clueless about how to build a successful club and putting their stooges in charge of the club instead of people who have an actual fecking clue what they are doing.

People who don't blame Glazers simply don't understand the difference between a club run to make money and a club run to win things.

Definitely social media is up with the calls for Ole’s head and Ed’s head.

They need to get a DoF to handle football matters and leave Woodward to handle to business side. They need to do that before we get relegated.

The initial 8 years when they took over they neglected the club so badly that when they finally opened their wallets in 2013 we needed a complete overhaul. Rio and Vidic were done, Giggs was 37?, Rooney in heavy decline etc. SAF was never given the funds to replace our ageing stars with younger players of equal quality. 'No value in the market' was just his way of saying I don't have the funds to buy the best players on the market.

Glazers have continously spent money as needed.we fans , just need a scapegoat.
There are so many clubs who would kill to have owners like them.

When will this club learn post fergie in trying to save that it has actually ended up costing them more.

Kept Moyes on until it was possible to activate the release clause of mathematically not being able to qualify for top 4.

Did the same with van Gaal in the second season when it was looking awful during that December spell.

Stopping Mourinho from buying perisic and another defender.

Not willing to pay Herrera 200k

I suspect also United thought it was better employing Solskjear than going after potchettino because they would have had to pay spurs compensation, we seem to seek out managers that are out of jobs or cheap to pay off their clubs.

Shipping out Sanchez to save 4-6 million when we were already down to just 2 strikers.

Keep giving out bumper contracts to players not needed but afraid to see them leave without getting a fee.

There are probably more examples as well.