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That would be my back 4 too on current form. I'll be biased and say Henderson for GK. I think he's on the cusp of starting for United and for me he is just the best English goalkeeper there is right now.

The rest of the team is really awkward but in a good way. CM is a huge problem and England need to hope someone comes through soon that makes the position their own. A fully developed Garner would be huge as England lack that Carrick style ball player but I don't know if he'll make it. So yeah a workman midfield of Rice and Henderson is best, and can work wonders as Klopp has shown.

Weirdly I feel Mount's form makes him hard to drop. He is an excellent player for me but is the kind of guy you want when your midfield is more technical than it is. Play Grealish as a roaming 10 because of the lack of ball playing in the middle. Rashford on the left (when fit which the guy clearly isn't), Kane up top and absolutely Foden on the right is the best front 3 for me. But with Marcus being seemingly broken then Sterling is obvious but Saka would be very bold and maybe a master stroke.

In 5 years I see the front 3 being Saka, Greenwood and Foden and being utterly terrifying. I hate to say this but with the right coach I see England being very capable of winning the World Cup very soon.
I would say if Henderson benches DDG full time and can keep up high level he's in with a shout or at least should be. Southgate will likely stick with Pickford sadly. I'd have it between Pope, Henderson if he play first team consistently and Pickford as 3rd choice.

If Saka, Foden and Greenwood do hit their peak it'll be scary. Also you forgot Sancho too. England could long term end up with Saka and Sancho on the wings and Foden behind Greenwood as a 10. Frightening potential.
 

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Shaw and Saka should be the 2 that go. Targett has been superb for us this season and if Southgate considers Saka more of a midfielder then he should go. Chilwell hasn't been very good this year.
 

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Shaw should get into any team in the world. Southgate's contract should be terminated if he doesn't see this.
 

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Not a chance on Trippier. He's missed the last couple of months due to that betting ban.

Walker as well has recently lost his place to Cancelo and hasn't been a regular starter.

TAA has been an abomination this season. Awful.

The closest to AWB has been James, and even he's been iffy (he was crap for Lampard) and only recently gained his place in the lineup as Tuchel dropped CHO from that RWB position.

For me, AWB has been the most consistent out of the lot since the season began.
And Trippier slotted back in like he never left yesterday.

Walker has been rotated with Cancelo. He's done well when he's played.

Agreed on TAA. Haven't seen much of James. But in no way is AWB a shoe-in.
 

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Saka should get a place because he plays in different positions, Shaw will probably get a place as he's too good to ignore now. Right back is a concern, but I'd rather see one of Trent or Walker than see WBA miss out.
 

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If they go with 3 at the back and wing backs then I think Shaw will miss out.

Were I England manager, Shaw would be in my team.
If they go 3 at the back with wing back, Shaw should be LCB. It gives an easy tactical switch back to a back four with one substitution and you don’t lose any attacking threat down the left either.
 
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And Trippier slotted back in like he never left yesterday.

Walker has been rotated with Cancelo. He's done well when he's played.

Agreed on TAA. Haven't seen much of James. But in no way is AWB a shoe-in.
AWB has never even got a call up has he?

england have a lot of good RBs. His limitations going forward will mean he doesn’t make the squad.
 

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Southgate has never played Shaw in his team so I doubt if he will give him a chance at the Euros. We will see the usual 5 at the back and 2 DM's without Shaw.
 

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Not a chance on Trippier. He's missed the last couple of months due to that betting ban.

Walker as well has recently lost his place to Cancelo and hasn't been a regular starter.

TAA has been an abomination this season. Awful.

The closest to AWB has been James, and even he's been iffy (he was crap for Lampard) and only recently gained his place in the lineup as Tuchel dropped CHO from that RWB position.

For me, AWB has been the most consistent out of the lot since the season began.
Trippier's had the best season of the bunch by some distance.
 

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This is why Ole will buy him.

Just like Telles a player that can cross and make AWB compete with his weaknesses.
I’d lose a fair bit of faith in Ole if he signs Trippier. He would be better using Dalot who is also better at attacking then defending and is already our player
 

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Yea, it's a shame in my opinion as he's more than good enough for the National Team, but it must be disheartening being continuously ignored by Southgate.
While this thread is about LB, I certainly agree with you about AWB. To be honest, I really don't understand the savage amount of stick he gets on this forum.
But anyway. Regarding LB, Luke Shaw has been outstanding pretty much all season and is still improving. So definitely ought to be the England LB.
He is in brilliant form and better defensively than Chillwell.
 

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I will say that it is a bit puzzling that Southgate gets a lot of flack on here. He took you lot to the WC semifinals!
Stumbled his way to it, more like. And then lost a very winnable semis!

It’s that way everywhere, though. Find a national team manager that fan forums actually like. Löw was disliked during Germany’s dominant reign, most French fans dislike(d)? Deschamps for his loyalty to some of the less glamorous players that France’s insane talent pool has, Belgium even with their golden generation hated Wilmots etc etc.
 

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I’d lose a fair bit of faith in Ole if he signs Trippier. He would be better using Dalot who is also better at attacking then defending and is already our player
How's Dalot been getting on a AC Milan?
I've not seen any of their matches so that was a genuine question. But the reason I ask is because at United he has never done anything to suggest he's good in attack. Or defence really.
 

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It’s Shaw and it’s not even close. He’s the most in form player England have and should be first name on the team sheet along with Kane.
 

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Shaw and Saka should be the 2 that go. Targett has been superb for us this season and if Southgate considers Saka more of a midfielder then he should go. Chilwell hasn't been very good this year.
Chilwell is much better than Targett. His form dropped only slightly and now he is in and out of the team, but he should still be in the squad. Saka should too, but is not really playing at left-back now (more right midfield).

Shaw is clearly the man in form.
 

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Not true, like in the slightest.
In Lampard's run up until he got sacked, James was continuously getting exposed down the right hand side. He was much more consistent last season.

When Tuchel came in, it was initially CHO he was playing on the right hand side, and when he realised CHO has been suspect defensively, he brought James back in.

In terms of consistency this season, AWB is clear of James. If James can get some consistency back into his game, I see him as AWB's closest competitor.

And Trippier slotted back in like he never left yesterday.

Walker has been rotated with Cancelo. He's done well when he's played.

Agreed on TAA. Haven't seen much of James. But in no way is AWB a shoe-in.
Trippier's had the best season of the bunch by some distance.
Trippier has missed two months due to a betting ban. He might be having a good season, but that undoubtedly will factor into Southgate's decision. I can't imaging him picking anyone that hasn't kicked a ball for two months.

Walker has been rotated, but Cancelo more often than not starts, and he's Pep's go to guy.

Like I said initially, AWB has shown the most consistency out of the bunch this season.
 

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Back five should be: RWB, Stones, Maguire, Shaw, Chilwell.

Back four: RB, Stones, Maguire, Shaw.

A pity James Justin got injured. Would have been perfect for that RWB. Still think a back four would be so much better for England though.

Not sure why Tuchel is marginalizing Chilwell and James. I'd have them as the RWB and LWB in a back five, but if Trippier performs till the end of season, then he is good for both RB and RWB.
 

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Shaw can do a job at left centre back in a back 3/5 but he was always able to do that.

You'd be wasting his good form of this year by using him in that role though. He's always been a decent defender but he's turned himself into an absolute weapon going forward this season.
 

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Southgate has never played Shaw in his team so I doubt if he will give him a chance at the Euros. We will see the usual 5 at the back and 2 DM's without Shaw.
Southgate picked him for one of the squads (maybe a year or two ago) and he withdrew due to injury. He then went on to play United's first game after the international break, which I don't think Southgate took too well.

In the last squad, where he didn't pick any natural left backs I believe there were question marks on Shaw's fitness and I'm pretty sure Southgate name checked him as not being available.

I think Southgate will pick him in the squad as he doesn't have much of a choice. Even if we play 5 at the back, Shaw can cover LWB or LCB, so is a useful player to have in the squad. Whether he plays him or not is another question, but the upcoming international break will be telling.
 

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In Lampard's run up until he got sacked, James was continuously getting exposed down the right hand side. He was much more consistent last season.

When Tuchel came in, it was initially CHO he was playing on the right hand side, and when he realised CHO has been suspect defensively, he brought James back in.

In terms of consistency this season, AWB is clear of James. If James can get some consistency back into his game, I see him as AWB's closest competitor.
This could not be further from the truth. James has been far better and more consistent this season than last. Even under Lampard when we were struggling he was one of our most consistent and reliable performers and had made the RB spot his.

And Tuchel has used CHO and James as the RWB depending on the calibre of opponent. If we're playing against a side likely to park the bus, then CHO plays there as functionally a right winger. Against quality opposition, James is generally the choice. It's got nothing to do with Tuchel having some sort of belated epiphany about CHO's defending.
 

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Not sure why Tuchel is marginalizing Chilwell and James.
He's not. Both started v Liverpool. He just seems to prefer Alonso and CHO when he thinks we'll be all out attack but it's a real stretch to say they've been "marginalised".

It's perfectly normal to have a bit of rotation when a new manager comes in. There's been no Chelsea player since Tuchel came in than hasn't been dropped (or rotated) at least once.

As for Luke Shaw, I'm glad he's doing well (always nice to see a Chelsea fan flourish!) and would be astonished if he's not in the next England squad.
 

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Southgate should play this 4-3-3 high-pressing system, befitting of the quality players that he has:

Henderson
James Stones Maguire Shaw
Henderson
Foden Grealish
Sterling Kane Rashford

Then, watch them absolutely blow teams away. There’s defensive stability too with Henderson and two FBs who are capable in both halves, unlike TAA.

However, the guy’s an absolute coward when it comes to dropping players and employing attacking tactics, so we all know it’ll be 3 at the back and a bunch of lesser but more workmanlike players in the team:

Pickford
Stones Maguire Dier
TAA Rice Henderson Saka
Mount
Sterling Kane

Just watch.

But yes, to answer the question, Shaw is definitely England’s best LB, and arguably the best performing one in the world this season. Robertson, Hernandez, Davies and Alba all haven’t been as consistently good as him, and there’s generally a dearth of talent in that position atm.
 

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Trippier has missed two months due to a betting ban. He might be having a good season, but that undoubtedly will factor into Southgate's decision. I can't imaging him picking anyone that hasn't kicked a ball for two months.
That would be a concern if his betting ban started now and was to run through to the end of the season. But it's already been completed and he's back playing and without missing a beat as shown by his performance in the Madrid derby yesterday. And he's got another 15 games yet to sharpen up further.
 

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Shaw is England's best full back by a mile. If they are stupid enough not to play him it would only benefit us, so he can get a good rest.
 

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Simply has to be Shaw, he looks a different class. Chilwell is decent, is he even the Chelsea first choice LB?
 

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He's not. Both started v Liverpool. He just seems to prefer Alonso and CHO when he thinks we'll be all out attack but it's a real stretch to say they've been "marginalised".

It's perfectly normal to have a bit of rotation when a new manager comes in. There's been no Chelsea player since Tuchel came in than hasn't been dropped (or rotated) at least once.

As for Luke Shaw, I'm glad he's doing well (always nice to see a Chelsea fan flourish!) and would be astonished if he's not in the next England squad.
Didn't see the Liverpool game, but it's almost always been Alonso whenever I've watched Chelsea with Tuchel apart from the Man Utd game, so I was thinking Chilwell's now a clear back up, and I personally think he is far too good for that.

If Southgate is sticking to a back five, then I'd have him as the best option for LWB regardless of his Chelsea situation. Shaw is good, but he is better in combinations.
 

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In Lampard's run up until he got sacked, James was continuously getting exposed down the right hand side. He was much more consistent last season.

When Tuchel came in, it was initially CHO he was playing on the right hand side, and when he realised CHO has been suspect defensively, he brought James back in.

In terms of consistency this season, AWB is clear of James. If James can get some consistency back into his game, I see him as AWB's closest competitor.
In the run up to Lampard's sacking everyone bar Silva was crap, upto late November he was one of our players of the season.

As for AVB, last time I had a peak at his players performance thread there were calls to drop him for an academy boy which hardly suggests he's been the model of consistency.
 

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Shaw by a country mile. He’s not just the best LB, he’s the best defender England have in general in this form.
 

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In the run up to Lampard's sacking everyone bar Silva was crap, upto late November he was one of our players of the season.

As for AVB, last time I had a peak at his players performance thread there were calls to drop him for an academy boy which hardly suggests he's been the model of consistency.
James had some standout performances during that run of poor form by the team. He was particularly incredible in the defeat away at Everton.
 

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Shaw by a country mile. He’s not just the best LB, he’s the best defender England have in general in this form.
Yeah, best FB and defender. Also one of the most composed players when in possession. Not sure if Southgate will start him, last him he pulled out of the squad and he wasn't called up since then.
 

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Yeah, best FB and defender. Also one of the most composed players when in possession. Not sure if Southgate will start him, last him he pulled out of the squad and he wasn't called up since then.
Yeah posted last night and mentioned his composure. Great trait to have for any player.

He’s so important for us right now.

It would be laughable if Southgate left him out tbh. I wouldn’t mind though, being a Welshman I would prefer all our players are banned from internationals. :D Except James.
 

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Luke Shaw is a good example of being patient with players. He's had some tough times, Mourinho especially was particularly hard on him. Too often we want to declare players as finished or not good enough at this level. We're also seeing it at Chelsea with a host of players having a resurgence in Christensen, Jorginho, even Rudiger and Alonso.

I remember being really gutted when we didn't sign Shaw, as I thought we'd be set for 10 years in that position. It's taken him a long while to reach a consistently elite level and, on current form, he should absolutely be the starting LB for England.
 

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Have you seen him this season?

He's in a team leading La Liga.

He was bang average in his last season with Spurs, yes.
Average players can still have good seasons when a part of great teams and setups. Doesn’t mean he’s anything more than average. His performances for England and Spurs show that. He’s miles off of AWB who would be regarded as one of the best in the world at atletico.
 

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Southgate doesn't care about form. Think it was on Neville's podcast thing Tyler asked him if Shaw gets to play for England and Nev was like he isn't sure if that ship has sailed for Shaw with Southgate. It's same as when Smalling was playing well but, Southgate had decided he wouldn't play for him no matter what.

Luke fits really well in a back 3 for England, hands down as a pure leftback and can also do a job as a wing back. The last one is where there are maybe bit better on the attacking side like Saka.

Am sure Shaw would love to represent England but, rather see him not go. England are not going to win anything with Southgate anyway.
 

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Average players can still have good seasons when a part of great teams and setups. Doesn’t mean he’s anything more than average. His performances for England and Spurs show that. He’s miles off of AWB who would be regarded as one of the best in the world at atletico.
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Southgate should play this 4-3-3 high-pressing system, befitting of the quality players that he has:

Henderson
James Stones Maguire Shaw
Henderson
Foden Grealish
Sterling Kane Rashford

Then, watch them absolutely blow teams away. There’s defensive stability too with Henderson and two FBs who are capable in both halves, unlike TAA.

However, the guy’s an absolute coward when it comes to dropping players and employing attacking tactics, so we all know it’ll be 3 at the back and a bunch of lesser but more workmanlike players in the team:

Pickford
Stones Maguire Dier
TAA Rice Henderson Saka
Mount
Sterling Kane


Just watch.

But yes, to answer the question, Shaw is definitely England’s best LB, and arguably the best performing one in the world this season. Robertson, Hernandez, Davies and Alba all haven’t been as consistently good as him, and there’s generally a dearth of talent in that position atm.
Same team as I suggested cept I think he'll play Walker at CB instead of Dier and Shaw for Saka. Sadly I think thats exactly what we'll get.