"Sorry for not penalising Van Dijk for either of the two stone wall penalties that should've been given to Chelsea in their defeat to Liverpool. We accept that had we given at least one of them then he would've been more switched on in the build up to Arsenal's second goal a few days later. We hope this apology will go some way towards limiting the number of times Jurgen shouts in an official's face on the touchline, as the last thing we'd want is to cause him any distress in his final few months in England."
Referees apologise most to Liverpool
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Anyone with a functioning set of eyes can see that Liverpool absolutely have not had more VAR errors go against them this season. It’s laughable and insulting to every football fan in the country to suggest they have. This is not reliable data by any means, it’s errors by way of admission by referees, of which they very, very rarely do. All this data shows is that the officials cede to Liverpool more than any other club, for some reason. It’s completely meaningless data for reporting on errors in the wider context.
The issue is clearly the way the "independent panel" classifies a VAR error. One of what they claim is only 3 incorrect VAR interventions is the Havertz dive for a penalty against us getting overturned, which is rubbish.
It looks like nothing more than a puff piece to pat referees on the back and act like they're getting decisions right. Which is probably why their list of incidents that VAR should have intervened but didn't hasn't been released, as we'd likely find it much shorter than it should be.
It looks like nothing more than a puff piece to pat referees on the back and act like they're getting decisions right. Which is probably why their list of incidents that VAR should have intervened but didn't hasn't been released, as we'd likely find it much shorter than it should be.
I don't think there's anything funny going on; I just think Liverpool have got a manager who will loudly complain about every last fecking call that goes against them and thus these decisions are more likely to be scrutinised. Ten Hag, by contrast, doesn't usually kick up much of a fuss so I'd imagine there's less of an appetite to check out the calls that go against us.
Regardless, I put absolutely no stock into any of this nonsense. After PGMOL deemed the decision to rule out Arsenal's goal against us at Old Trafford last season for a fecking blatant foul on Eriksen by Odegaard to be an "error", I've realised there's no point in me trying to make sense of any of it.
Regardless, I put absolutely no stock into any of this nonsense. After PGMOL deemed the decision to rule out Arsenal's goal against us at Old Trafford last season for a fecking blatant foul on Eriksen by Odegaard to be an "error", I've realised there's no point in me trying to make sense of any of it.
The issue is that a wrong VAR call is just one that is classified as completely wrong by the understanding of the rules. So they get an offside wrong and thats a gross error because offside is offside. There is not really an argument about that. Someone brushes your face with their hand in the box and you do a backflip before go down and get a penalty? No problem, there was contact. Someone wipes you out as you are through on goal and there was no penalty? Thats fine, ref had decided there wasn't enough contact.
These reports on VAR are largely pointless. We've had a lot of bad decisions go against us this season but pretty much all of them sit in that grey area of "well, thats a subjective decision".
These reports on VAR are largely pointless. We've had a lot of bad decisions go against us this season but pretty much all of them sit in that grey area of "well, thats a subjective decision".
The whole things bollocks anyway because there’s no way they’ve had 96% of decisions corrects. There’s numerous decisions they’ve got wrong for Utd alone which they claim hasn’t happened, never mind the other 19 clubs in the league.
If that’s the case why have they decided the Havertz clear as hell dive that was a VAR overturn, that Mike Dean on commentary agreed was a dive, that even fecking Dermot Gallagher agreed was a dive and VAR was correct, was actually a mistake that was in favour of United?
Because the actual board that reviews those calls actually thought it should have stayed a penalty, and Mike Dean's opinion on commentary doesn't matter?
Did you read the post I replied to?
Yes. I don’t believe that. Do you?
All we ever get is an admission from the ref post retirement that he deliberately fecked us over 
The article also claims VAR accuracy rate is 96%. It’s basically a puff piece for VAR which people have twisted it for clicks.
That one was completely outrageous and basically evidence that refereeing is fixed.All we ever get is an admission from the ref post retirement that he deliberately fecked us over
Spot on. Due to the subjective nature of refereeing and fouling in general I'd say it's close to impossible to make a representative list of which team is the most and least favoured. Taking the recent Liverpool - Chelsea game as an example there were three "correct" penalty calls (correct as in a case - weak or small - could be argued either way), but I think the general consensus was that one side had been favoured when it came to these particular calls.
I’ve no idea. But I can tell you something for an absolute fact. Football fans always claim VAR/referees are biased against their club. Nobody ever claims VAR/referees are biased in favour of their club, no matter which club they support. Go figure.
Yeah cuz Liverpool fans are biased
So are you. All football fans have bias. Are you only just realizing this now?
Why you all are surprising on this
When Klopp cried we were getting most penalty, then no penalty were given almost two seasons
Liverpool favour is not the news
When Klopp cried we were getting most penalty, then no penalty were given almost two seasons
Liverpool favour is not the news
I’m not biased - I am very objective in my views and only judge on facts.
The absence of an apology for us over the Dalot red card and the penalty we didn't get in the first Spurs game are more significant to me than anything directly involving Liverpool. The refs seem to be wilfully ignorant when it comes to decisions that negatively impact United. Both of those were genuine shockers.
Having said that, it's genuinely mystifying if they've given this and arrived at the conclusion it was the correct decision after a review.When you classify things like this starfish dive as a correctly given penalty, of course Liverpool are somehow the most hard done by team in the league as well
It’s because Liverpool are a media darling club, and if they didn’t apologise to them they’d be crucified by the media and by ex-Liverpool players in the media like Carragher, Murphy, Redknapp, and formerly Hansen and Lawrenson. Meanwhile, we’re the opposite, and referees pretty much have to make decisions against us because of the fecking media in this country, which hates us, largely because of jealousy. Look at how Jon Moss apologised to Gary O’Neill after the Onana incident in the first game week, which has resulted in us being fecked over for the entire season for the most part (as usual).
sorry for sounding a bit RAWKish and conspiratorial, but that’s genuinely how I feel. Even during Fergie’s period as manager, the referees fecked us over.
sorry for sounding a bit RAWKish and conspiratorial, but that’s genuinely how I feel. Even during Fergie’s period as manager, the referees fecked us over.
That in itself is a very biased opinion of yourself.