If tactical fouls were an automatic red card, how would this effect the high-line - high press tactic?

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I'm not saying that straight reds for tactical fouls would be a good thing. I'm mostly wondering whether high-line high press tactics would work as well with this rule change.

Edit - What I mean by a tactical foul is when the opposition deliberately plays the man rather than ball to gain a tactical advantage. I do not mean mistimed tackles etc.
 
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I know this is not the topic of the thread, but it is related so here I go. I honestly think the law is currently not being implemented correctly when it comed to tactical fouls.

For example, if you hack down a player who was preparing a through ball that would set up a striker for an one-on-one, you will get a booking, providing that this happened far enough from your goal. We have all seen this happen many times.

However, how is this not denying a clear goalscoring opportunity ?
 

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It would be an idiotic move because you’d end up with 5 a side games in most games. Think about how ubiquitous tactical fouling is at every level in the league, from top to bottom. Every push, barge, shirt pull, block is by definition a tactical foul designed to play the man rather than the ball.

There are a hundred instances of it in every game. Just because the aggressive high pressing teams at the top of the table are using it to stop counters doesn’t mean that the scrapping teams at the bottom aren’t also using it to gain defensive advantage in the box at corners, by the byline, etc etc. All this ‘shoulder to shoulder, not a foul’ business that every commentator since time immemorial has been spouting is all tactical fouling.

I don’t necessarily think it would alter the approach of city and Liverpool that much. Yes Rodri and endo and mcallister would be less inclined to foul countering runners on the halfway line. But by the same token Salah, Diaz, doku, foden would be getting 5 opposition players sent off a game looking at how much defensive tactical fouling they have to put up with. Salah alone gets dragged to the floor at least 15 times a game.
 

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But by the same token Salah, Diaz, doku, foden would be getting 5 opposition players sent off a game looking at how much defensive tactical fouling they have to put up with. Salah alone gets dragged to the floor at least 15 times a game.
Yeah but this is honest fouling, breaking up that European ball hogging tiki-taka... Unlike that dishonest tactical fouling preventing us from seeing these wonderful counters
 

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Doesn't need to be red, yellow is enough but refs don't even do that. If you kick a player down when he's in his own half and facing his goal it's never a yellow. Doesn't matter that it's on purpose because the player turned you out and you're losing him through acres of space in midfield.

The difference between good CBs, CDMs and poorer ones defensively is that they consistently foul a certain way to stop attacks that allows the team to get behind the ball.

Casemiro, Varane and Evans are pretty good about that for us but Casemiro usually gets a yellow for some other thing which limits him in the 2nd half. The rest just get found out, lose control of space and make us wide open.

High pressing is basically summed up by winning the ball or fouling quickly. Doing neither is a failure.
 

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Doesn't need to be red, yellow is enough but refs don't even do that. If you kick a player down when he's in his own half and facing his goal it's never a yellow. Doesn't matter that it's on purpose because the player turned you out and you're losing him through acres of space in midfield.
Yeah the issue is Rodri will do 4-5 tactical fouls before he even gets a yellow card, sometimes doesn't even get the card. Will get about 20 warnings. If the referee just gave him a yellow card for them, with the expectation that a similar foul would lead to a red (there is additional leeway usually given for players already on a yellow), it might force a change in tactics or approach.
 

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Doesn't need to be red, yellow is enough but refs don't even do that. If you kick a player down when he's in his own half and facing his goal it's never a yellow. Doesn't matter that it's on purpose because the player turned you out and you're losing him through acres of space in midfield.

The difference between good CBs, CDMs and poorer ones defensively is that they consistently foul a certain way to stop attacks that allows the team to get behind the ball.

Casemiro, Varane and Evans are pretty good about that for us but Casemiro usually gets a yellow for some other thing which limits him in the 2nd half. The rest just get found out, lose control of space and make us wide open.

High pressing is basically summed up by winning the ball or fouling quickly. Doing neither is a failure.
Yep pretty much. Fernandinho and Fabinho were some of the most annoying players because of this. They'd both just crash into an attacker looking to hold up the ball, play would stop, and they'd already be jogging back into their position like it was completely honest.
 

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Managers would change their transfer strategy and only sign dumb footballers.

"Come on, ref! You know that Bludgey is way too dumb to consider any form of tactic!"
"Fair enough. Decision: no red card"