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Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids
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It's a cycle we've already been through unfortunately, he was horrendously out of form (albeit due to a lot of reasons such as surgery) and he played his way in the England squad by the Winter World Cup and finished the season with 30 goals. Then this season happened.Get rid. Part of me hopes he misses out on the EUROs to give him a wake up call but sadly that will impact his value if we were to sell.
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Reckon that goal should be worth about £75 million to PSG.
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Other than todays goal which I would class as lucky as quite frankly it could have gone anywhere Rashford did feck all and the way he fecked up heading the ball forward so he could run onto it and have a shot at goal sums him up.
Then he falls over from the weakest of touches, gets the ball taken from him which resulted in a City goal. I honestly despair of this player.
Then he falls over from the weakest of touches, gets the ball taken from him which resulted in a City goal. I honestly despair of this player.
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Sell.Sell.Sell.
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Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
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Depends if we are actually forward planning with Ineos now. I made this point before but the reality is Martial has been a squad player for us for a while, so we could/should pick someone up on a free who is good but will be happy on the bench i.e. Iheanacho maybe, Adams, Batshuyayi all are available on a free and average to good players who won't demand huge salaries. Then you have Hojlund plus a backup/competition with experience in that CF role.Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
Rashford is the one where I think we will need to spend big, I suspect we might go for a RW given how light we are there and Garnacho will revert to the left. Part of me thinks the club won't sanction it though, that media piece by him did feel a bit like he knows he's been crap but doesn't want to leave, so try and allay any fears about his doubts. The reality is we created this issue, he should never have been offered the money he's on and made out to be a level he isn't
Who?Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
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I will accept that the loss of Martial is very much a paper loss than an actual loss to the first team.Who?
Part of being a big club in multiple competitions is that you need numbers though. I can’t imagine a situation where during the summer your only recognised striker is Hojlund. Other clubs would try to hold you to ransom, more than they already do.
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Realistically if we could sell him for £50m and get £500-£600k off the wage bill we'd be in a better place.Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
Based on 3/4 of the PL season gone and them on a combined total of 7 goals, we'd wouldn't exactly need peak RVN to replace them.
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It's a decent point with Martial absolutely nailed on to leave on a free and the fact that we're also down to the bones in that position but a good offer for Rashford might be too difficult to ignore, especially with FFP issues. Having Hojlund and building the attack around him helps but ideally we'd need two strikers or one striker and one winger which is a lot to ask and probably very pricey.Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
On a related note, this club has just fecking sucked at its recruitment and structure for so long and survived by just winging it. Hopefully the new structure will sort it out over time.
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Martial has been gone for ages and Rashford isnt a striker so the club need to sign more strikers.Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
This mentality of holding on the likes a crocked Martial or misfiring Rashford is nonsense - they are a detriment to the grand scheme of things.
Rashford may stay but Martial in 100% needs to go and if United go into next season with Rashford Hojlund as the forwards we can expect more of the same shit
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There’s potentially quite a lot of wages that could be freed up either this summer or next. Varane, Casemiro, Maguire for example must be on the best part of 800k a week between them. Plus whatever happens to Sancho although I gather he’s been a bit average at Dortmund- it’ll be interesting to see if they try for another year next season.Realistically if we could sell him for £50m and get £500-£600k off the wage bill we'd be in a better place.
Based on 3/4 of the PL season gone and them on a combined total of 7 goals, we'd wouldn't exactly need peak RVN to replace them.
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The first few months of watching Martial at Utd I thought he could genuinely go on to become the next Thierry Henry, I thought he had everything. Shows how bad I am at assessing talent!Martial has been gone for ages and Rashford isnt a striker so the club need to sign more strikers.
This mentality of holding on the likes a crocked Martial or misfiring Rashford is nonsense - they are a detriment to the grand scheme of things.
Rashford may stay but Martial in 100% needs to go and if United go into next season with Rashford Hojlund as the forwards we can expect more of the same shit
Exactly, but some fans would sell Casemiro, Bruno, Maguire, Lindelof, McTom, Antony, Martial, Rashford, AWB, Eriksen (plus Sancho and Greenwood)Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
Then somehow expect to field a competitive team next season! Over to you Ashfield to buy a brand new starting eleven in summer.
Selling Rashford is not a priority at all!
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He had all the raw material - I was hopeful tooThe first few months of watching Martial at Utd I thought he could genuinely go on to become the next Thierry Henry, I thought he had everything. Shows how bad I am at assessing talent!
Then again I was hoping Lukaku would be the new Drogba!
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Depends on the offer and how far into the window it is.Do you guys really believe you’d sell Rashford at the same time as (probably) getting rid of Martial? It seems unbelievable to me that you’d leave yourself so short, in a position where you already could do with 1 more to be honest. I can’t see Utd signing 3 strikers in the summer, which would be what they’d need to do.
I can’t see Utd not moving on at least one centre back, and getting one in. Ditto one midfielder and potentially a fullback. Can’t see Rashford being seen as a priority here.
Martial is out the door regardless and hasnt counted as a footballer for years anyway. But yeah we wont actively look to sell Rashford while still trying to get rid of Sancho and then Antony.
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That’s true - I guess of those 3 (Rashford, Antony, Sancho) one has at least had *some* very productive spells at Utd. Antony is looking like bad value at £80m, Sancho is looking like an awful investment at almost any price. They’ll surely be Ratcliffe’s priorities to offload. I guess it’s a case of what happens if someone bids £90m for Rashford; it would be madness not to take it , but it would make for a fairly frenetic summer trying to get 2 or 3 forwards through the door.Depends on the offer and how far into the window it is.
Martial is out the door regardless and hasnt counted as a footballer for years anyway. But yeah we wont actively look to sell Rashford while still trying to get rid of Sancho and then Antony.
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Sancho and Greenwood don't even count, they aren't a part of the team and we don't miss them. We don't miss Martial either tbh. With good sales and smart buys there's absolutely no reason the rest of those players can't be replaced and we end up with a much better team. Which is exactly why Ineos are hiring "best in class" employees to oversee football operations; to sell overpaid underachievers and bring in more suitable players to compete with better teams.Exactly, but some fans would sell Casemiro, Bruno, Maguire, Lindelof, McTom, Antony, Martial, Rashford, AWB, Eriksen (plus Sancho and Greenwood)
Then somehow expect to field a competitive team next season! Over to you Ashfield to buy a brand new starting eleven in summer.
Selling Rashford is not a priority at all!
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Martial had crazy talent. He hadn't got the mentality though and just couldn't stay fit.The first few months of watching Martial at Utd I thought he could genuinely go on to become the next Thierry Henry, I thought he had everything. Shows how bad I am at assessing talent!
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He never recovered from Ibra taking his No.9. A sad reason for a career to peter out.Martial had crazy talent. He hadn't got the mentality though and just couldn't stay fit.
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Talent-wise I think he was/is comfortably ahead of Rashford. Even ahead of an on-form Rashford. But yeah something is missing there. Some unknown quality (whether it’s drive, determination, confidence - whatever it is) that he needed and just doesn’t have.Martial had crazy talent. He hadn't got the mentality though and just couldn't stay fit.
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Good sales and smart buys for almost a whole new team in one window. It is going to be a very challenging task for the DOF.Sancho and Greenwood don't even count, they aren't a part of the team and we don't miss them. We don't miss Martial either tbh. With good sales and smart buys there's absolutely no reason the rest of those players can't be replaced and we end up with a much better team. Which is exactly why Ineos are hiring "best in class" employees to oversee football operations; to sell overpaid underachievers and bring in more suitable players to compete with better teams.
10 first team players (plus 2 more even if we don’t include them) that’s a shit tonne of departures.Sancho and Greenwood don't even count, they aren't a part of the team and we don't miss them. We don't miss Martial either tbh. With good sales and smart buys there's absolutely no reason the rest of those players can't be replaced and we end up with a much better team. Which is exactly why Ineos are hiring "best in class" employees to oversee football operations; to sell overpaid underachievers and bring in more suitable players to compete with better teams.
Doesn’t sound realistic to me.
But whatever happens it should be an interesting summer.
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Personally think both sides would benefit from a separation. Rashford I think would be really good for a good side where he isn't expected to be the best player. United would benefit from being free of his wages and allowing new players to step up.
Feel the same about Bruno, he's earned the right to play for trophies elsewhere, he's a great player, but let's let others personalities and leaders emerge.
Feel the same about Bruno, he's earned the right to play for trophies elsewhere, he's a great player, but let's let others personalities and leaders emerge.
He had a decent season in 19/20. Then for no reason at all he lost all form in 20/21. Bizarre that a player can go from 17 goals and 7 assists in 2,600mins to 4 goals and 6 assists in 1,500mins. The torn knee ligament injury finished him off. Very sad, given his age.He never recovered from Ibra taking his No.9. A sad reason for a career to peter out.
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A Martial replacement is just a quad striker to come in as back up to Hoijlund, we ain't signing another 80m striker to replace Martial. On Rashford, if we can sell well we will have about 60m plus a huge chunk of wages off so he will pretty much buy his replacement. So it's possible we come out of that deal just 40m down.It's a decent point with Martial absolutely nailed on to leave on a free and the fact that we're also down to the bones in that position but a good offer for Rashford might be too difficult to ignore, especially with FFP issues. Having Hojlund and building the attack around him helps but ideally we'd need two strikers or one striker and one winger which is a lot to ask and probably very pricey.
On a related note, this club has just fecking sucked at its recruitment and structure for so long and survived by just winging it. Hopefully the new structure will sort it out over time.
The most difficult things to do in this window is finding takers for Antony and Sancho. High wages and reputations in the gutter I doubt even the Saudis look their way. This will hurt us because we are going to need another winger with World Class potential which could cost us anything between 60m and 100m.
Big work will need to be done in midfield, Casemiro is no longer quick enough to recover in this league, is on high wages but has a reputation that will earn him a Saudi move. He will need replacing, he can fund his own replacement through a transfer fee and saved wages. However, like Casemiro before, that new signing will need a back up. That will cost money to bring in because bargain basement Amrabat won't cut it.
Last summer we could have got away with a one in - one out for the RCB. Assuming Varane leaves and we also sell Maguire we will need two CBs, Martinez and Shaw are too injury prone and will need credible back ups - we could keep Malacia and look to sign an LCB who can also play LB.
We have too much to do and this is why we need the new team in place by June because by my estimation we need about 7 players for the first eleven and the squad. We are going to have to do some top class scouting in the Championship, French League, Portugal and South America to pick about 3 under the radar signings in the Zaha/Dan James price range to come in and fill a role.
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Personally think he would fade into mediocrity once out of the MUFC spotlight. Look at DeGea, lingard. Just dont see the club selling him, love to be proved wrongPersonally think both sides would benefit from a separation. Rashford I think would be really good for a good side where he isn't expected to be the best player. United would benefit from being free of his wages and allowing new players to step up.
Feel the same about Bruno, he's earned the right to play for trophies elsewhere, he's a great player, but let's let others personalities and leaders emerge.
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Well to get rid of his wages, because if we buy 1-2 good attackers then he's very expensive for a benched player.Exactly, but some fans would sell Casemiro, Bruno, Maguire, Lindelof, McTom, Antony, Martial, Rashford, AWB, Eriksen (plus Sancho and Greenwood)
Then somehow expect to field a competitive team next season! Over to you Ashfield to buy a brand new starting eleven in summer.
Selling Rashford is not a priority at all!
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I'd have sold him five seasons ago when it became obvious to me he was all hype and nowhere near the level required to start week-in, week-out for Manchester United.
He's a mid/low-level wide forward as a starter, would be useful in a team in midtable who could sit back and counter but as useful as a chocolate fireguard in a team who face low blocks 30 times a season.
He's a mid/low-level wide forward as a starter, would be useful in a team in midtable who could sit back and counter but as useful as a chocolate fireguard in a team who face low blocks 30 times a season.
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Did he not have a good season under Ole after that?He never recovered from Ibra taking his No.9. A sad reason for a career to peter out.
Martial just got one injury too many. It happens.
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That definitely did upset him as it would any player. It didn't ruin him though as your alluding to.He never recovered from Ibra taking his No.9. A sad reason for a career to peter out.
He was still a good player for us up until 2020 whereas he lost the shirt number in 2016.
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I'm all for squeezing a bit more out of PSG, but we better not feck this up. It's also 15.6 million pounds a year off the wage bill. Would be a huge boon to compliance with all the financial regulations. (plus what Croadyman said..)
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£75m would be fecking outstanding
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Essentially 300m in spending money right there.£75m would be fecking outstanding
Let’s compromise on 80m + 10% sell on fee + fee if they win the CL with him + fee if he wins the balloon door
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Yea, not worth posting here.If only this had come from someone reputable instead of Disco Stu