Apart from all the tropies SAF and Wenger have won between them I think on sunday we saw the difference between a great and good manager. SAF is famous for winding the players up, getting them motivated with the "everyone hates us" call and having the players go into every game with a point to prove. The world v's Manchester United has worked for him for the past decade or so and he is the ultimate motivator. Look now at Wenger and his effort at the world v's Arsenal. He cannot control his players, season after season they notch up the red cards. He is trying to motivate his players but he just hasn't quite got it right. He will use last sunday as a rallying call and motivational call to his players but whats the bets they'll still end up with more red cards throughout the season. This I think is why Arsenal will never dominate the EPL the way we have, their manager just isn't "great" enough 