Dani Alves | Guilty of rape, sentenced to 4 and a half years in prison

[4bars]

Is this real?

It's not like the rich aren't going to get away with almost anything as it is, but in Spain you can literally just pay to have your sentence reduced?

Yes. There is even an article in the law. Article 21.5. I assume is at the discretion of the judge? But is written in law. You can get away of half the sentence for a meagre (for Alves) 150.000 euros

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Yes. There is even an article in the law. Article 21.5. I assume is at the discretion of the judge? But is written in law. You can get away of half the sentence for a meagre (for Alves) 150.000 euros

It's uniquely..uh... interesting. Is this provision for any and all criminal charges where a victim is involved or just for this one and is 150k the minimum, maximum or is the number decided by the courts on a case by case basis?

 

[4bars]

It's uniquely..uh... interesting. Is this provision for any and all criminal charges where a victim is involved or just for this one and is 150k the minimum, maximum or is the number decided by the courts on a case by case basis?

That I don't know my friend. I know that in this case, the judge applied this provision on Alves case. I don't know if for all the crimes, quantities based on victims/accused ratio or anything. But is disgusting nevertheless.

Oh did I mentioned that Alves mother doxxed the victim? Lovely upbringing also

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

That I don't know my friend. I know that in this case, the judge applied this provision on Alves case. I don't know if for all the crimes, quantities based on victims/accused ratio or anything. But is disgusting nevertheless.

No worries mate. Thought I would ask in case you did. I suppose one could view it as a form of damages but such a substantial reduction in sentence really should cost someone who is already wealthy a good amount more.

Oh did I mentioned that Alves mother doxxed the victim? Lovely upbringing also

Yeah I read that the other day. Just awful.

 

[Pughnichi]

Obviously none of us here knew him…but he somehow managed to look like a self centred egotistical prick when playing. Glad he hasn’t escaped punishment because of money and perceived status

 

[tenpoless]

A twat, on and off the pitch.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Is this real?

It's not like the rich aren't going to get away with almost anything as it is, but in Spain you can literally just pay to have your sentence reduced?

Yep. In the case of a certain former Chelsea left back who killed someone whilst drink driving, he had his sentence dropped completely after paying 500,000 euros in damages to the victim's family.

 

[RedRoach]

That argument holds about as much weight as 'horror movies are responsible for normalizing murder'. Audiences can decipher the difference between reality and fiction. We know that horror movies are fake, and we know that pornography is fake.

Dani Alves is just a despicable person. The crime he committed has nothing to do with how much porn he watches or how often he spends on social media.

I am sorry but you need to open your eyes. I am in my early 40s with kids. The content that is easily accessible from mobile phones has nothing to do with the difficult to access VHS tapes or magazines that were around when I was 11 years old.

Here in Spain there have been multiple incidents of gang rape in the last few years which simply didn’t happen with the frequency it did before. Gang rape videos are easily accessible on mobile phones of 11 year olds.

What you are saying is the same argument Americans make about guns. It is not the guns it is the people apparently. Well I am sorry without sensible control the problem will get worse IMO

 

[Himannv]

Had no idea about this at all.

 

[giorno]

Here in Spain there have been multiple incidents of gang rape in the last few years which simply didn’t happen with the frequency it did before. Gang rape videos are easily accessible on mobile phones of 11 year olds.

No. What you want to say is "there have been multiple incidentd being reported". They happened just the same, they just weren't reported before

 

[RedRoach]

No. What you want to say is "there have been multiple incidentd being reported". They happened just the same, they just weren't reported before

Perhaps but I highly doubt it was happening with the same frequency or that a woman would not have reported gang rape in the past. What was not reported in the past was domestic abuse and rape in couples and marriages. But gang rape? Come on…

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Justice served

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

But do we know the full story

Imagine one of the Greenwood thread posters will ask if should take him on loan when he's released.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I am sorry but you need to open your eyes. I am in my early 40s with kids. The content that is easily accessible from mobile phones has nothing to do with the difficult to access VHS tapes or magazines that were around when I was 11 years old.

Here in Spain there have been multiple incidents of gang rape in the last few years which simply didn’t happen with the frequency it did before. Gang rape videos are easily accessible on mobile phones of 11 year olds.

What you are saying is the same argument Americans make about guns. It is not the guns it is the people apparently. Well I am sorry without sensible control the problem will get worse IMO

There is no sensible control measure for the base nature of humans in general. The bigger issue right now is each generation semmingly caress less and less for their fellow humans and prefer going viral by an means necessary. That is why sadistic crimes like gangs rape that were less rife when we grew up are becoming almost more frequent.

 

[RedRoach]

There is no sensible control measure for the base nature of humans in general. The bigger issue right now is each generation semmingly caress less and less for their fellow humans and prefer going viral by an means necessary. That is why sadistic crimes like gangs rape that were less rife when we grew up are becoming almost more frequent.

Fair comment, perhaps it is trying to control the uncontrollable. It is just sad to accept that nothing can be done. Sadly the problem will get worse with AI.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

I am sorry but you need to open your eyes. I am in my early 40s with kids. The content that is easily accessible from mobile phones has nothing to do with the difficult to access VHS tapes or magazines that were around when I was 11 years old.

Here in Spain there have been multiple incidents of gang rape in the last few years which simply didn’t happen with the frequency it did before. Gang rape videos are easily accessible on mobile phones of 11 year olds.

What you are saying is the same argument Americans make about guns. It is not the guns it is the people apparently. Well I am sorry without sensible control the problem will get worse IMO

Not really sure what your point is as Dani Alves is also in his early 40s and would've had the same level of access to pornography that you had.

As another poster has mentioned, sexual assault cases likely occurred at a similar frequency over the years but were not being reported as often.

 

[top1whoisman]

Not really sure what your point is as Dani Alves is also in his early 40s and would've had the same level of access to pornography that you had.

As another poster has mentioned, sexual assault cases likely occurred at a similar frequency over the years but were not being reported as often.

We’ve also seen a worldwide rise of politicians who spread their misogynistic views with media outlets staying fairly quiet about it. Happens in more or less every country, no matter how progressive they claim to be.

In an era of social media, none of the major platforms do anything about the abuse their users hurl towards women.

Another big issue is the lack of sexual education in schools. The stricter the country is against adding this to their educational programs, claiming to ”protect their children”, the more they seem to have issues with r*ping etc.

Porn has nothing to do with this.

Also: I never randomly bump into gang r*pe videos on the internet. I would need to specifically search for them. If one does that, the problem is not the video being available, but the person in question.

 

[Bright_Eyes]

Scientifically it could be a that having better blood circulation and elevated testosterone levels is playing a part hence the loss of self control.

There's not good evidence for testosterone being more prevalent in professional atheletes though. Some studies even found many top level male athletes have a lower than average amount. Seems to be a very weak correlation at best. More testosterone can improve performance, but you still don't find it in larger amounts in athletes.

I don't know why having good blood circulation might lead athletes to rape someone, that's bizarre to me.

Isn't it much more likely that because they are rich and have status they more often have the mindset of they are better than others and shouldn't be rejected?

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Scientifically it could be a that having better blood circulation and elevated testosterone levels is playing a part hence the loss of self control.

What kind of pseudoscience is this? The simpler explanation is that pro athletes have been told that they are outliers since they were playing in underage sports as kids and feel that makes them impervious to the rules of society. All the big clubs also have handlers who take care of many situations like traffic violations secretly so as to not ruin their marketability and this reinforces a feeling of untouchability over the years. I highly doubt this is Dani’s first time but it’s the first time his behavior has had the right consequences.

 

[JPRouve]

What makes people think that there is a higher prevalence of sexual misconduct among athletes? Is that based on actual statistics or is it because a few out of several thousands got caught are in the news unlike your average person who are judged every day for the same actions?

Maybe athletes are disproportionately represented but is that actually the case?

 

[Zehner]

There's not good evidence for testosterone being more prevalent in professional atheletes though. Some studies even found many top level male athletes have a lower than average amount. Seems to be a very weak correlation at best. More testosterone can improve performance, but you still don't find it in larger amounts in athletes.

I don't know why having good blood circulation might lead athletes to rape someone, that's bizarre to me.

Isn't it much more likely that because they are rich and have status they more often have the mindset of they are better than others and shouldn't be rejected?

I don't know if professional athletes commit more sexual assaults than "average" persons and I would be careful to just assume it is true but from a logical perspective, it would at least make sense to me as well. Without wanting to judge or shame anybody, but from my experiences professional athletes generally adored by many women, especially in night clubs or bars. Even leaving the psychology aside, I would assume that lots of sexual encounters with unknown partners probably under the influence of alcohol in itself increases the probability of something unconsensual happening.
But I think especially in your younger, formative years, being that wanted and able to pick almost freely who you want to hook up with does something with you. Especially when there's an "imbalance of powers" between both parties and one wants to be liked by the other more than the other way around - maybe you get away with more and expect it be like this all the time. Dealing with rejection and developing self reflection is something very important for every young adult and if you never experience this, chances are you deal with it wrongly when it finally happens. Add to that an echo chamber of arse lickers that surrounds you and suddenly you think it is impossible that somebody says no to you.
After all, we all need outside feedback (and rejection) to develop a moral compass and if almost the entire feedback that reaches you is supportive, I would guess that derails you. I mean, the human brain is only fully developed after 25-30 years and self-reflection etc. is usually something that emerges later on. Those guys are used to this lifestyle from 18 years onwards, in most cases the adoration starts even earlier.

In my opinion educational work and information campaigns are still the most important factor to prevent this from happening, not only regarding professional athletes. Many in here seem to be rather pessimistic about it but I actually believe society's on a good path in this regard. Me Too has created lots of awareness and in general I think younger generations are already much more aware of the topic.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

What makes people think that there is a higher prevalence of sexual misconduct among athletes? Is that based on actual statistics or is it because a few out of several thousands got caught are in the news unlike your average person who are judged every day for the same actions?

Maybe athletes are disproportionately represented but is that actually the case?

Haven’t we had 5 high profile cases just in the past few years?

 

[JPRouve]

Haven’t we had 5 high profile cases just in the past few years?

Probably. That's out of several thousands people is that out of line with the rest of society?

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Probably. That's out of several thousands people is that out of line with the rest of society?

If you go by the top flight teams in the 5 major European leagues and assume 20 active players in the first team picture, that’s 2000 players. I guess a prevalence of 5/2000 known and prosecuted cases is on par with national averages but they are no doubt far more publicized and not good for a league that relies on good marketing opportunities.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Fair comment, perhaps it is trying to control the uncontrollable. It is just sad to accept that nothing can be done. Sadly the problem will get worse with AI.

Indeed. The most we can do IMHO is teach the youngsters we have access to and those we mentor to care more about their fellow human than chasing/getting ahead or what they want at all costs.

 

[The Irish Connection]

I saw this yesterday. The sentence is almost as disgusting as the crime. He’ll be out in 3.
Should have been double what he received.

 

[adexkola]

If you go by the top flight teams in the 5 major European leagues and assume 20 active players in the first team picture, that’s 2000 players. I guess a prevalence of 5/2000 known and prosecuted cases is on par with national averages but they are no doubt far more publicized and not good for a league that relies on good marketing opportunities.

5 cases in the last year? That doesn't sound right.

I'll give you 3. And that's way below national averages.

 

[tenpoless]

Apparently Neymar helped him by sending money to the victims and lending his lawyer to him? Errr thats weird. Supporting a rapist.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

5 cases in the last year? That doesn't sound right.

I'll give you 3. And that's way below national averages.

Greenwood, Alves, Sigurdsson, Mendy, Antony off the top of my head. Then you have the embargoed name that hasn’t been released.

 

[giorno]

Perhaps but I highly doubt it was happening with the same frequency or that a woman would not have reported gang rape in the past. What was not reported in the past was domestic abuse and rape in couples and marriages. But gang rape? Come on…

Yes, women used to be scared to report rape, on top of the usual shame/belief it wouldn't do anything

Were you living under a rock at the height of the #metoo movement?

 

[Scanny]

Personally don’t think it is isolated to footballers. There is a general trend of gang rape and sexual assault being more and more common especially amongst the young. Pornography and social media have a huge responsibility here of normalizing unacceptable behaviour.

Came here to say this. The level of violent attitudes towards women and girls in society as a whole is appalling. Access to dreadful things on the internet (for example) normalises abhorrent behaviours towards women.
Until all of society starts to raise its boys to be better men then here we are.

And before someone says “not all men”, I know of course not but it is always men.

Sentencing here is another matter. It’s rare women report, (the system is not fit for purpose and is dreadful for the victim). Rarer still is anyone charged, let alone convicted.
So 4 and a half years is better than nothing.
Except he’s already served time and he’ll be out in less than two years.

No wonder victims think what’s the point.

 

[giorno]

What makes people think that there is a higher prevalence of sexual misconduct among athletes? Is that based on actual statistics or is it because a few out of several thousands got caught are in the news unlike your average person who are judged every day for the same actions?

Maybe athletes are disproportionately represented but is that actually the case?

Last I saw an actual study of this, reported cases of athletes fell right in line with the global male population. So no, athletes aren't more likely to commit rape than your average man

 

[adexkola]

Greenwood, Alves, Sigurdsson, Mendy, Antony off the top of my head. Then you have the embargoed name that hasn’t been released.

That's only 2 in the last year, some occurred beforehand.

 

[Mb194dc]

What makes people think that there is a higher prevalence of sexual misconduct among athletes? Is that based on actual statistics or is it because a few out of several thousands got caught are in the news unlike your average person who are judged every day for the same actions?

Maybe athletes are disproportionately represented but is that actually the case?

In this particular case it seems he was so arrogant, he thought he could do what he wanted and get away with it.

He could have just stayed in Brazil and there's nothing they could do as Brazil doesn't extradite its own citizens.

Possibly he even thinks he's innocent and / or has done it before and got away with it.

 

[VinchNow]

5 years seems soft to me for being guilty of rape but I don't know the law of Spain.
150k€ is a joke as for him, this amount is about the same as 150€ for most of us here.

 

[horsechoker]

Dani Alves: Ex-Brazil player to be freed on €1m bail after rape conviction


A Spanish court has ruled that ex-Barcelona and Brazil footballer Dani Alves can be conditionally released from jail after serving about a quarter of his sentence for rape.

Alves, who was sentenced to four and a half years in prison last month, will be released on a €1m (£853,000) bail.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68616200

 

[Semper Fudge]

Turns out money can solve most problems.

 

[Fortitude]

Seems you can do whatever you want in Spain so long as your pockets are deep enough.

This is why matters get taken into the hands of vigilantes.

 

[Red00012]

Money walks

 

[The Corinthian]

Reminds me of the time I was told "there's no such thing as crime for rich people, only fines" - or something to that effect.