Ethan Laird | Swansea loan watch

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Laird to Swansea on loan is confirmed now, hopefully he will get decent number of games.
 

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‘International clearance’ to go to the Championship.
 

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Cracking signing for them, he'll do well in their set up.
They like to build up from the back every time, so will give him good experience
 

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‘International clearance’ to go to the Championship.
Wales is a different country
 

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Swansea play a good attacking style of football which will work well with Laird seeing as he’s an attacking right back, a whole season of regular first team football will do Laird wonders and should hopefully give him the platform to be understudy to AWB next season.
 

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Manchester United have been very clear that their injury situation would always reflect who would leave the club on loan this season. That was the first hurdle for the swans to overcome in getting Laird to come to the swans for the ‘whole’ season. The same applies to James Garner, but the Old Trafford club are keen to see him develop in their squad system if possible. Laird spent a very successful 24 games at MK Dons with Russell Martin last season, that was the initial clincher for the player to want to know more about the loan move. Manchester United were also keen to see him tested at a higher level and Swansea City are as perfect a match as they could get to see his development progress.

They also wanted him tested fitness wise in a number of reserve games before any progress could be made with Swansea.

Manchester United have a firm and clear protocol when allowing their more sought after prospects to join clubs over a whole season. This time around the length of the loan was the initial issue, Swansea wanted no recall clause and no fee applied for his services. Having already suffered greatly with Morgan Gibbs-White last January the swans didn’t want their fingers burned again. That issue it seems ‘may‘ have ironed itself out. The loan fee wasn’t as big a deal, but United insisted on a full repayment of his £4,800 a week salary.

However, it was interesting to speak to a valued contact regards what else Manchester United insist on before a player leaves their fold. She explained that United have many clauses for their player, not only to protect him, but to ensure his development progresses in line with his current development plan. His accommodation and location of that accommodation is primary, and this has to include ‘appropriate’ security for the player and any visiting family and friends. His personal training plan has to be implemented as well. The loaning club has to have coaches with the correct qualification and recognised experience in delivering, and more so understanding why the player needs this plan. Medically he has to be catered for with more than the usual fitness testing, with reports being sent to Manchester frequently with clear annotation as to what has been analysed and what actions are being taken. The training plan and medical reporting has to be to United’s high standards, and any deviation could easily lead to the player being recalled. This will certainly be included in the loan contract.
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footb...ird-the-whole-package-and-why-it-took-so-long
 

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I’m aware, but Swansea are not from a different FA. Laird is staying within the English pyramid.
It gets complicated - Swansea (and the other Welsh clubs that play in English leagues) were subject to the FAW rather than the FA until 2012. They're now governed by the English FA, but for FIFA purposes he's an English player playing in a different FIFA country, so he needs international clearance. I think we're the only country that has this arrangement where there are different FIFA "countries" in one political entity - the others (San Marino, etc) are independent states.
 

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It gets complicated - Swansea (and the other Welsh clubs that play in English leagues) were subject to the FAW rather than the FA until 2012. They're now governed by the English FA, but for FIFA purposes he's an English player playing in a different FIFA country, so he needs international clearance. I think we're the only country that has this arrangement where there are different FIFA "countries" in one political entity - the others (San Marino, etc) are independent states.
Thanks.
 

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Hope he gets plenty of games this season, top potential this lad.
 

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Thanks for this. Interesting insight, but surprised that we still have terrible loans considering how much work we put in and with all the terms and conditions.

I also wonder if this are common terms and conditions that the top clubs set in place and agreed upon before the respective loans are confirmed.
Care to name said recent terrible loans?
 

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Clip of some of tracking back:

And some match reactions from Swansea fans:





The starting rightback only got 28 touches in 58 minutes. After he got subbed on, Laird got 36 touches in 33 minutes. He seems to be trusted by his teammates and keen to get on the ball.
 

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Clip of some of tracking back:

And some match reactions from Swansea fans:





The starting rightback only got 28 touches in 58 minutes. After he got subbed on, Laird got 36 touches in 33 minutes. He seems to be trusted by his teammates and keen to get on the ball.
#SWASTK is one hell of an unfortunate match hashtag.
 

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So none of our recent current players. So maybe you’re being overly negative and looking at the past to judge the present?
How about both of Chong’s last season. Both of Levitt’s, Joel, Garner at Watford, Traore, Kovar, Andreas barely played, and Pellistri only played half the time for an awful team who play terrible football. Are those recent enough? So which ones have actually been good?
 

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How about both of Chong’s last season. Both of Levitt’s, Joel, Garner at Watford, Traore, Kovar, Andreas barely played, and Pellistri only played half the time for an awful team who play terrible football. Are those recent enough? So which ones have actually been good?
All of them got way more game time than they would have got at United, Kovar not sure what happened he started off extremely well then a massive drop off. I suppose it happens with young players. Lairds loan was very positive as was Garners 2nd loan, Pellistri also got lots of game time. Terrible loans are when players move and they’re not used and might as well have stayed and developed in the under 23’s I’m pretty certain they all were helped by their experience and growth at other clubs. Are you agreeing with the other posters that we do terrible loans? As I don’t agree.
 

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Clip of some of tracking back:

And some match reactions from Swansea fans:





The starting rightback only got 28 touches in 58 minutes. After he got subbed on, Laird got 36 touches in 33 minutes. He seems to be trusted by his teammates and keen to get on the ball.
Nice. Forward was way too casual there though. Two extra steps forward and Laird was out of the game.
 

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So none of our recent current players. So maybe you’re being overly negative and looking at the past to judge the present?
Fosu-Mensah was recent enough (certainly one of the most disappointing considering the hopes for him), and the original post mentioning our loans being terrible was from @jeepers.
We dont seem to have great luck/success with the younger players loans.

Chongs loan at Bremen was pretty poor and I seem to remember Levitts being a shocker.

Not really including the likes of Lingard,Smalling and Dalots loans as they were already established.

Axels worked out pretty well first time around.
 

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Fosu-Mensah was recent enough (certainly one of the most disappointing considering the hopes for him), and the original post mentioning our loans being terrible was from @jeepers.
We dont seem to have great luck/success with the younger players loans.

Chongs loan at Bremen was pretty poor and I seem to remember Levitts being a shocker.

Not really including the likes of Lingard,Smalling and Dalots loans as they were already established.

Axels worked out pretty well first time around.
Januzaj should never have been sent on loan to Dortmund. He wasn't going to get games here under Van Gaal, but that was a terrible club for him to go to as they were stacked in his position. He needed to go somewhere he could play regularly at a good level.
 

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I just hope the club realizes how good this kid is, some players for some reason just go under the radar at clubs.

At Ajax Noa Lang is a prime example of that, was great for Jong Ajax, great on loan, great during the pre-season, still didnt get the chance to play and has been tearing it up ever since at Brugge.

I like AWB and think he has been improving, but Laird could easily be his understudy and he is no worse than Dalot.