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… that’s exactly what you’ve just done.Nobody claimed Onana was at fault for all goals conceded this season. Stop making up stuff and then arguing against it.
… that’s exactly what you’ve just done.Nobody claimed Onana was at fault for all goals conceded this season. Stop making up stuff and then arguing against it.
3rd best in one statistic, not the best at anything
There are some good saves in there, especially the Fati one and the Harland one at close range.
I wouldn't say there where many that you wouldn't expect a Premier League keeper to make.
To make the argument that he is statistically the best keeper in the Premier League based upon these saves, is a real stretch.
To me, one thing that is very noticeable is that when Onana makes saved, he often pushes it back into dangerous areas. Our defenders have done well to clear these.
And then you look at the goals he has conceded, there are a few i feel he could have done better with....
… that’s exactly what you’ve just done.
Your post implies that someone claimed that others claimed that Onana was at fault for all goals, and then argues against doing so. It’s probably not a stretch to say that literally no one has ever accused anyone of claiming such a thing.
at their end, yes!Banging a couple in vs Bayern would help too!
Comment is one thing; but it seems like he refused to cooperate with ETH who likely would have given him chances last season. He pushed to go out on loan and a move this sunmer (knowing there would be a new no 1 purchase). His issue with Ole's false promise and Rangnick is one thing, how he let this frustration to greatly influence his view on new manger (ETH) doesn't reflect well on him, in GK position, where as Peter Schmeichel revealed about his advice to Onana: just leave the past behind, and look to improve on what in front (paraphrasing here)I can’t argue with his injury problems of late, but my broader point is that it’s highly debatable that Onana was a better option for us than Henderson. Character does matter, as we’ve seen with Sancho, but my recollection of the comment that Henderson made was that he was frustrated at not getting a proper chance to play for the club. This at a time when the knives were being sharpened for De Gea.
While contracted at United and on loan he saidbut my recollection of the comment that Henderson made was that he was frustrated at not getting a proper chance to play for the club
Not mean anything offensive toward anyone else in my last post. But if someone nitpicked and got it totally wrong to make silly argument (not you) on easy to remember incident like those, then I question their legitimacy as a fan. My last post remark clearly meant only toward the other poster. My apology if I rub some people wrong.I'm definitely a United fan and while I did figure out you're talking about the Basaksehir game I had no recollection of Henderson playing in that one. I only remember that ridiculous goal we conceded where we basically had everyone in the opposition half.
Stats this and stats that.This tweet sums up perfectly how it isnt all Onana's fault we are conceeding so many goals
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Keeper/season | Save % | Crosses Stopped % | Sweeps per 90 | Total pass % | Mins per error |
De Gea (2022/23) | 73.5% | 3.1% of all crosses | 0.92/90 min | 72.6% | every 1046th min |
Onana (2023/24) | 72.4% | 4.1% of all crosses | 0.94/90 min | 74.9% | every 450th min |
I don't like it either when players air the club's dirty laundry in the public, but if it's true that Ole promised him a shot and then didn't follow through that actually is a legitimate concern. As for the second point, no big deal there. I'm not sure to make of the third point as that seems like speculation as opposed to fact. It seems -- and to make it clear, I have no knowledge of the true facts as to what goes on behind the scenes at OT -- that Henderson believed that the club had no belief in him and that he pushed for a transfer as opposed to being the backup to Onana, who replaced De Gea, whom the club offered a contract extension before renegging (sp?) on that contract extension after Dave dithered on that offer for a month or two. In short, Dean understood that the club no longer wanted him. If you're in that position knowing that you're no longer wanted, you move on.While contracted at United and on loan he said
- He was promised No 1 by Ole and club didn't follow through when he came back after Covid.
- He was disappointed that he was ineligible to play against United because he was itching to show us what we are missing.
- He didn't want to come back because he was afraid that ETH will see his awesomeness and try to keep him around when he doesn't want to play for us.
There is nothing wrong in being confident. But you don't have a go at the club when you are contracted there. You put your head down and get out by talking to people. Not to mention he comes across as cocky, when he is just another average keeper.
De Gea was hopeless at times, I remember the game against RB Leipzig away in the Champions League when he was awful and cost us the match and pretty much any chance of qualifying for the Knockout stages.People acting like De Gea never single-handedly cost us games have clearly forgotten about Brentford away last season, amongst others. People can say that Brentford battered us more generally but De Gea gifted them their first two.
I can understand the scepticism surrounding Onana but for the love of God, can we please stop acting like De Gea never did this for us...
De Gea has certainly done some crazy shit, but it was more like 2-3 games a season. I think if we look at Onana's EPL record, considering he is also new to the club and EPL, most reasonable people wouldn't have too much to say about Onana. Not a great start, but kindof expected.People acting like De Gea never single-handedly cost us games have clearly forgotten about Brentford away last season, amongst others. People can say that Brentford battered us more generally but De Gea gifted them their first two.
I can understand the scepticism surrounding Onana but for the love of God, can we please stop acting like De Gea never did this for us...
Not really for his fanboys. Just blame the defense and midfield for it.That is much, much harder to explain
Not a single person is. Every keeper that's ever played the game has had an absolute nightmare or two. It happens.People acting like De Gea never single-handedly cost us games have clearly forgotten about Brentford away last season, amongst others. People can say that Brentford battered us more generally but De Gea gifted them their first two.
I can understand the scepticism surrounding Onana but for the love of God, can we please stop acting like De Gea never did this for us...
That guy claiming it was the wall, Martial and Mainoo at fault should go down in history as the biggest reach ever seen.Not really for his fanboys. Just blame the defense and midfield for it.
Same as Maguire fanboys blamed De Gea and Lindelof for a year or so before accepting Maguire's faults.
Hardly a majority. The one at Munich, the two in Turkey, you could partially add the third at home against Galatasaray after we were down to ten men due to his bad pass.What is not OK at all is his performance in UCL. 14 fecking goals conceded in 5 games and majority of them his fault is way too much. That is much, much harder to explain
Cold.The cold hard fact is that he hasn't drastically improved anything as far as goalkeeping goes except the error rate, which he has more than doubled.
It is indeed pretty strange that Onana's gaffes have essentially all come in the Champions League. In the Prem he has largely been fine - not outstandingly brilliant, but fine. The fact that his mistakes are all coming in one competition might have some explanation behind it, but I'd wager (and very much hope) that it's just the sort of randomness you sometimes see across a small sample size.Not a single person is. Every keeper that's ever played the game has had an absolute nightmare or two. It happens.
Onanas had 3 in the Champions League alone so far. Games, not mistakes. It's unprecedented.
The weird hate of De Gea resulted in people losing it because we conceded a goal. As if they'd never watched football before and were only just finding out the other team is also allowed to score. This was epitomised when that gimp made a 12 minute video of De Geas mistakes over 12 season and most of them were just normal goals.
What's worse about Onana as well is that we are actually competing in the games and it's his mistakes that cost us. Against Brentford we were not winning the game or getting a point whatever happened, we were awful. Same with Sevilla last season. Offered nothing in the game. Swap either keeper for anyone else in those games and it changes nothing in De Geas games but we'd have 7 more points from Onanas.
Eh, maybe. I'd say it's at least worth considering that it's a pretty small sample size, though. Throw in the fact that we concede too many shots and it's not entirely inexplicable.De Gea has certainly done some crazy shit, but it was more like 2-3 games a season. I think if we look at Onana's EPL record, considering he is also new to the club and EPL, most reasonable people wouldn't have too much to say about Onana. Not a great start, but kindof expected.
What is not OK at all is his performance in UCL. 14 fecking goals conceded in 5 games and majority of them his fault is way too much. That is much, much harder to explain
I'm not negating them, just adding the context that De Geas just topped off pathetic team performances while Onana undid all the hard work the team did.It is indeed pretty strange that Onana's gaffes have essentially all come in the Champions League. In the Prem he has largely been fine - not outstandingly brilliant, but fine. The fact that his mistakes are all coming in one competition might have some explanation behind it, but I'd wager (and very much hope) that it's just the sort of randomness you sometimes see across a small sample size.
Your last paragraph is making the comparison unfair though. To say "Oh well, we'd have lost anyway without De Gea's howlers" doesn't negate the fact that he made them. Regardless of what else happened against Sevilla, De Gea was directly culpable for two of their three goals - the same as Onana against Galatasaray. I'd argue that the mistakes were pretty much equally as bad as well.
Saying he was great in the league games is also extreme only going the other way to suit your narrative too. He didn’t make any howlers doesn’t equal great.Yet he was great in the league games before the last match. But let's go to extremes just to strengthen our narrative.
Blindfold? What are you on about? He never said Onana is fine and had a good game or anything like that, just that fans should do their "job" and actually support new player that just had a great season, through some tough form and getting used to new league and have just a little patience. I guess that is too much to ask for new gen of fans.
It would have been but Onana dropped the last bit of Daz.Money laundering is what this was.
Did he really burn his bridges or did we decide he’s not as good as De Gea? The latter, actually. As for Onana, we are fukked unless we can offload him.Don’t bring Hendo into it, he was never going to be No.1 here. He had burned his bridges and there was no way back. He’s also no better than Onana.
All these arguments comparing DDG (rightly claimed to be past it by most at the time) are actually doing more to paint Onana in a bad light. If you're arguing for Onana why not compare him to peak DDG?It is indeed pretty strange that Onana's gaffes have essentially all come in the Champions League. In the Prem he has largely been fine - not outstandingly brilliant, but fine. The fact that his mistakes are all coming in one competition might have some explanation behind it, but I'd wager (and very much hope) that it's just the sort of randomness you sometimes see across a small sample size.
Your last paragraph is making the comparison unfair though. To say "Oh well, we'd have lost anyway without De Gea's howlers" doesn't negate the fact that he made them. Regardless of what else happened against Sevilla, De Gea was directly culpable for two of their three goals - the same as Onana against Galatasaray. I'd argue that the mistakes were pretty much equally as bad as well.
When though? At ajax? Because at Inter he was not great, he was just slightly less error prone than he is now... And only because he faced less shots.He's in a new country and we've seen that he is a great keeper.
Two conflicting paragraphs there.He's in a new country and we've seen that he is a great keeper. Every other keeper struggles in his first season at a new club, leave him alone.
Sometimes, this fan base deserves the shit that's been served to us.
What do you suggest? We are where we are.... Hopefully he can cut out some of the coachable issuesObvious is Obvious.
He's got massive flaws and wont be a top top keeper until he gets them sorted.
Should Manchester Uniteds first team Keeper position be a school for goal keepers?
Should Onana be allowed to develop his basics as a first team first pick keeper ?
Absolutely not.
This is such a key position it needs scrutiny and strong management
Yes, that's what I meant. I should've said "for next summer". I hate to say it but city/pep would be looking for his replacement now. He did it with Bravo and many of his centre backs.We need to start looking right away.