Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by VP89, Nov 14, 2016.
This absolutely has to happen now
People saying he wouldn't fancy the United job if he was offered it
Jesus where is the forum going at the moment. Deluded.
The problem is not that United's appeal has diminished, it hasn't. The problem is Ed Woodward and United board, not many would like to deal with them and their circus.
Are you saying that he wouldn't turn it down and he'd be dumb to turn it down?
I would turn down a job if I knew I couldn't be in position to succeed under or with Woodward and the current structure. If Nagelsmann saw how footballing decisions are conducted, he would probably think it's archaic at United and walk from it because he wants to be successful in his own way when controlling a senior team. His ideology and beliefs must be aligned with someone else, it has to be compatible. No where is his approach aligned with United.
It really is. He manages at RB Leipzig
The of likes of Everton are bigger than they are.
You know feck all about him as a manager. It's quite obvious.
I'm saying those suggesting he wouldn't be interested or the job is beneath him are talking out of their arse holes. I'm sick of the current negative narrative on the forum at the moment. Times are tough - deal with it instead of crying and moaning like spoilt brats.
United are one of the biggest clubs in the world. They are the biggest club in England and one of the most well known brands across the globe. They will attract players and they will remain a lure to coaches and managers. That's a fact. Yes the current footballing situation is difficult and the job is tough but a top coach with faith in their methods and more importantly in himself would relish the opportunity to come to Old Trafford and build something. Imagine being the man to get the club back to winning ways and emulate the best manager ever Sir Alex Ferguson? It would be a career dream, especially for someone self motivated with drive and passion to succeed.
What the comments on the Caf tell me if a number of posters are fannys who clearly don't think the same way as a winner and prefer to be spoon fed. It's that simple.
Personally I'd prefer we got someone who has proven himself at the very highest level of the game, the CL. He'd still be too big a gamble for a club that's where we are.
It's this sort of attitude that has helped get us into the mess we're in.
Yes we're a big name, but that doesn't mean we just get what we want.
He'd be well within his rights to look at us and say no thank you, we have finished LvG and Moyes's careers, made top clubs turn their nose up at Jose, and are on the way to tainting Ole's legacy with fans, money aside we hardly appealing just now.
He may well be the answers to our prayers but if he got off to a bad start, we would be questioning his crudentials and suggesting if or how he can turn it around.
I’m all up for a young progressive manager but he needs to have a relevant CV for the role. And the correct club structure, obviously.
Not really. Leipzig is a consistent contender for a CL spot in Germamy with comparable spending power in an arguably easier league in his home country. Unless he has an urge to go abroad, Leipzig is more attractive than Everton. Same goes for Bayern vs. United btw. For what it's worth Nagelsmann could have had the Bayern job ahead of Kovac if he really pushed for it but elected to remain at Hoffenheim. He seems to be very careful at evaluating his future. I doubt he leaves Leipzig soon.
Yeah of course lad. We should just target shit managers then on the off chance we don't come across too cocky.
They have ruined themselves. Yes there's issues at the club, that's obvious, but don't make excuses for all the previous managers.
I'd be happy with that
Of course. No one expects us to be title challengers now, but once we see signs of what he’s trying to do, I’m pretty sure the majority of our fanbase will be happy.
If you lot think he wouldn't turn you guys down, I'd just like to remind everyone on here, that he turned down Real Madrid before moving to Leipzig. The guy has a clear plan and he insists on a stable and constructive environment. You can't offer that right now. Not saying he'd turn you down no matter what. But thinking he'll swim the channel to join you is completely deluded.
From the sounds of it he turned down Madrid because of the pressure. The expectations at Man Utd are currently much lower.
Not sure he is the right choice to be fair. From what I've seen he hasn't really made RB any better or any worse.
No one has said he'd swim the fecking channel but if United made a clear offer to him of course he'd consider it. Fact
Lad? odd tone.
Did I say this, no, but don't just assume up and coming managers like this will just fall at our feet when we come calling.
And no excuse was made for our previous managers, but it is becoming a habit now for what should be credible managers.
Who said they will fall at our feet? No one from what I can see. It's a fact that if United made a clear offer he'd consider it.
Wish our cowardly fans would disappear. It's depressing.
He'd be the kind of guy you need and you should do absolutely anything to get him. He's brilliant, highly innovative and appears to be pretty good at handling the players. It might go horribly wrong, but if there is a guy somewhat attainable who could turn the ship, I think it's him.
I do believe he'll stay at least one more season at Leipzig, though. Actually expect him to stay even longer. HE seems to like projects, a bit like Klopp.
If he joins Man Utd next summer he will just become André Villas-Boas mk II
That lot couldn't be successful with a huge budget and the type of pull a club our size has. That would be no reason for any manager worth his salt not to back himself.
That's what i fear. These fly by nights who dont do it on the grand stage and somehow we're supposed to believe they are the real deal.
I like what I hear about him but I think it’s definitely too soon for him to join a monster club like United.
He is a promising young coach that is still learning his trade. I see no reason for him to take such a big challenge at this stage of his career. It is a very challenging job to turn Man Utd around when EPL is so competitive nowadays.
You insinuated as much, but let's move on, you're a bit too aggressive for my liking.
Sorry flower. Don't take it to heart.
Thanks, I'll try to carry on somehow.
Keep up the good work.
I would but I wouldnt be surprised if others didnt. It all depends though if one can actually see the difference on the pitch.
Ultimately this is true but we cannot do anything about the structure but at least hope that somebody like Nagelsman or Rose can get more out of our squad and influence the board a bit in the right direction. Sounds like a pipe dream but thats where we are IMO.
And that requires patience and growth over at least 3 years. Not one manager since Fergie have had 3 full years under Woodward. None.
I would rather United emulate the football structure like Dortmund where they are finding talented, young players who aren't going to cost an arm and a leg and regardless of manager, they are consistently competitive at the top of their domestic league. From Klopp to Tuchel to Favre, they haven't had a massive dip in consistency even if they have a lot of player ins and outs.
But that part is not due to a lack of patience but due to the hired managers being poor. While this is with a background of poor footballing structure for sure but the managers themselves were not good enough.
Having said that I understand what you are saying and I think everyone agrees that without a proper footballing structure even the best managers are not going to be successful. Which leads us back to square one, we are fecked.
Nagelsmann is a good coach - you can proof with statistics that a lot of Hoffenheim players improved under him, he can read a game and react quite well too. But going to one of the biggest clubs in the world in a difficult situation in a differnt foreign league? With really expensive players, stars, that generate great expectations? Sounds risky...
He has never proved that he can build a class team....and he is 32.....
Too many negative Nellies
Other than Pep and Klopp everyone is a gamble, good luck getting them.
Without a proper structure in place, which we don’t have, they would be a gamble too.
Forget the CL, we’re almost a decade away from the last time we’ve been a contender.
Pages and pages and nobody has outlined that, for a manager on the up, who is head-hunted, the world is their oyster and they can outline their terms and have them agreed to, or simply say no?
Without assurances met, the inquiry doesn't go much further than the opener.
re. Woodward and the board, they are not intentionally this incompetent; they have let coaches come in and do what they want, which was the beginnings of our disastrous post-Fergie era since Moyes gutted a title-winning backroom staff! From man to man, they've had carte blanche to switch the squad (hence LVG's massive in-out phase) and only became weary (and wary) of Jose when he started playing silly buggers.
Fact is, they need guidance from an authoritative figure, and if that figurehead brought success and praise, he'd get even more freedoms along the way. A confident manager with a clear vision, plan and execution would have a free-for-all here with far more leeway than at any other top club in the world. The guillotine only drops when the situation is unsalvageable here, which many seem to be forgetting.
The problem, then, is that these all-conquering managers of yore who could come into a club and essentially take over with their sheer charisma and force of personality, are very, very few and far between. If Nagelsmann, or whoever else, is cut from that kind of cloth, this is - still - the perfect club to launch themselves into super-stardom with, and Lord knows, we are absolutely desperate for a saviour who ends this rotten post-Fergie era once and for all.
If we do make contact, and Nagelsmann has the stones from the outset to demand what he wants, he'll get it; ours is a board to be led, they are not big, bad shot-callers or a boardroom with a cunning master plan; they're just clueless and unable to tell an arse from an elbow until told.
I just would like to see someone impress tactically in the CL before having him here. Someone who has shown he can hang with the heavyweights. Our structure will look alot better when we actually hire a coach with a clue. A CL proven coach would be a far better risk to take than someone who doesn't impress at that level.
This and more of this. The board has been looking for the next Sir Alex while the world seemingly has none. We're simply in a different era of football. What the board want someone to do is use our huge properly and call them to sign cheques. Instead we have men who lead them to signing the wrong ones. I mean imagine this lot being paid what they are when the great man was still here?
Wouldn't change a word of that. If he does end up here, that's a ready made chant.
So is this guy the new cafe darling? The newest shiny toy.
He who will bring back the glory that we absolutely don’t deserve atm.
Agree with that but one would think that after this latest failure we are going to see real change especially on the DOF and other structural issues.
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