And add to this all other Ole threads. Thread about sacking has 350 pages.1000 pages!!!!is this a record?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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He took over a sinking ship and it sunk, that team was going to get relegated anyway. They were clearly out of their depth in the premiership. The biggest mistake Ole made was taking that job, I think Fergie even tried to talk him out of it but as players like Giggsy have found opportunities in the premiership are pretty rare if you aren’t in that cluster of managers on the merry go round like Moyes, allardyce etc or one of the fancy names from abroad.
Okay, lets say he took over a sinking ship as you say. He then got a fresh start with them in an easier division the next season, with a lot of players bought in the transfer market, infact they bought 9 and got rid of most of Mackay's men and Solskjaer had a team he wanted, entirely of his own making, then guess what, he was shockingly bad again and was sacked, i mean what more do you want, fresh season, a whole new team bought for him, and he fails. But somehow he's going to miraculously do it with this team? Why? Come on. You also skipped over my point with his previous team doing much better after he left.
Just say it, you think he's going to succeed because he used to play for us, and that's the only reason, it's not because of experience, skill or acumen, it's because he used to play for us, that is it.
He also started next season in championship after he bought 8 or 9 players and failed again. He had 2 wins in 7 games. After that he didn't do anything special in Molde also ( finished 2nd,3rd and 5th).
He is a keeper definitely
I hope he is going to succeed but not because he used to play for us, that is just a reason I like him.
I don’t think under the circumstances he is doing as bad a job as all you lot that want him sacked think but mainly I don’t want him sacked because he isn’t the biggest issue we as fans should be worried about and at least I know he is doing the best for the club in the meantime.
Let's just forget that OGS on several occasions has pointed to his time at Cardiff providing him with crucial experience, most notably he's mentioned the need for time to gel a new team when implementing new tactics and undergoing rebuilds/transitions. A new team is not necessarily a well functioning team, but it may become one...
What if those goals had been the other way round and Teddy had got the winner. Would he now be our manager?
Lot of people forgetting LVG's big performances too. The 1-0 against City in his last season was a pretty similar performance. We came out the blocks really fast then absorbed the pressure for most of the game. The Juanfield game (2-1) was probably one of our best performances in the post SAF era. Can't remember many other times where we dominated Liverpool so completely on their own turf.
Well damn, i'm glad he got all that experience, and i'm also glad we are the club to take on the little experiment after his failings, fills me to the absolute brim with confidence. I'm glad all that experience is showing in such things like, criminally poor in game management, playing players when they are already injured leading to even longer lay offs etc.
All i ever hear is rebuild/transition i'm sick to the back teeth of it to be honest. Any little excuse to give him time and money despite all evidence saying it's an absolutely stupid idea.
It's the crux of the point though really isn't it, it's all hypotheticals, oh the team might become good, oh he may become a good manager given time, as it would with other managers but you wanna hand this responsibility over to one of the worst proven managers, just because he's an ex player, it's absolutely astoundingly dumb.
What you talking about? you just replied to the post where I said not because he played for us with this?
Well, in your world you're sick to the back of your teeth because I'm dumb. In my world we have different opinions on a situation which details and outcome are not known to any of us. I'll let you stay sick, and live happily on being dumb, old me. Thanks for the exchange, and good evening to you!
I was getting at the only reason he is our manager is that he scored the winner in a CL final. Not because the quality of his management.
City away was fantastic - can’t have forgot that already was only last month
We did that under Jose too, more thrillingly in fact.
LVG also did well against City if memory serves.
4-2 at OT and a 1-0 win at the Etihad. As well as 1 draw 1 loss.
Availability was also a key factor
One aspect of his management that no one should be calling him out for is his man management surely? Been no signs of disharmony in this squad and players willing to play when not 100% in nearly every area. Pretty sure all 3 previous managers lost the support of some/most of the players even LVG players were ignoring the infamous critic emails, If they weren’t behind him they wouldn’t play.
I think the players want Ole to succeed. They like him. Some probably know that with a new manager in they will be out the door. If they are sticking with Ole they have to back him fully, not undermine him. They also need lots of options for signings. If it is just Maddison and Sancho then we might just waste the summer. We need European football to attract talent, especially if they do not want to have to compensate players for lack of it with money. With no European football as I say they will need to pay massive wages for mercenaries or sign players who will not improve us to the next level. We are now suffering for years of the club being mishandled.Availability was also a key factor
One aspect of his management that no one should be calling him out for is his man management surely? Been no signs of disharmony in this squad and players willing to play when not 100% in nearly every area. Pretty sure all 3 previous managers lost the support of some/most of the players even LVG players were ignoring the infamous critic emails, If they weren’t behind him they wouldn’t play.
Why do people attack Ed and neglect Ole's hand in not replacing the players we sold. Ole is very responsible for the thin squad we have now because of his short sightedness and policy of "waiting for the right fit"
The evidence is there, Ole has said he is responsible for incomings and outgoings and has the backing of the board. He has said he has the final say on the players we want, unless he is lying. Now look at the players we were linked with by tier 1 in the summer - Maguire James AWB Eriksen Dybala Longstaff Aarons and Diop if I recall correctly
Maguire and AWB were signed so that cancels them out along with Aarons and Diop who plays in the same position as them. James was also signed. Longstaff was overpriced, Dybala and Eriksen did not want to come here.
So how is this Ed's fault for not signing an AM when Ole's only targets are Eriksen and Dybala who did not want to come here. How is it Ed's fault for not signing an RW when Ole did not target a right winger because we're waiting for Sancho. How is it Ed's fault for not signing a DM when Ole's only target is an overpriced Longstaff. How is it Ed's fault for not signing a striker when Ole himself said there were strikers available but none was the right fit. How is it Ed's fault for not signing a striker in January when Ole's only target is Haaland who we couldn't get for reasons Ole approved of
You might think I'm defending Woodward but I'm not. I'm just questioning the people who complain about how thin our squad is or how our squad is not good enough and fail to blame Ole for this.
It's Ole's job to target players and bring them to Ed to get. Ole and his transfer comittee targeted impossible players in the summer like Eriksen, Longstaff and Dybala who did not want to come to us or were overpriced and neglected players like Van De Beek, Ziyech, Roca, Rodri, Olmo etc who were available. Yet when we don't sign anyone and neglect the players that were available we complain how Ole wasn't backed when it was Ole that targeted the impossible players and neglected the available ones in the first place. Ole then decides to wait for players like Sancho to be available in the next year and neglect other alternatives like Olmo, Under etc who are available. Yet we complain that out squad is thin
The evidence is there, Ole has said he is responsible for incomings and outgoings and has the backing of the board. He has said he has the final say on the players we want, unless he is lying. Now look at the players we were linked with by tier 1 in the summer - Maguire James AWB Eriksen Dybala Longstaff Aarons and Diop if I recall correctly
Maguire and AWB were signed so that cancels them out along with Aarons and Diop who plays in the same position as them. James was also signed. Longstaff was overpriced, Dybala and Eriksen did not want to come here.
So how is this Ed's fault for not signing an AM when Ole's only targets are Eriksen and Dybala who did not want to come here. How is it Ed's fault for not signing an RW when Ole did not target a right winger because we're waiting for Sancho. How is it Ed's fault for not signing a DM when Ole's only target is an overpriced Longstaff. How is it Ed's fault for not signing a striker when Ole himself said there were strikers available but none was the right fit. How is it Ed's fault for not signing a striker in January when Ole's only target is Haaland who we couldn't get for reasons Ole approved of
You might think I'm defending Woodward but I'm not. I'm just questioning the people who complain about how thin our squad is or how our squad is not good enough and fail to blame Ole for this.
It's Ole's job to target players and bring them to Ed to get. Ole and his transfer comittee targeted impossible players in the summer like Eriksen, Longstaff and Dybala who did not want to come to us or were overpriced and neglected players like Van De Beek, Ziyech, Roca, Rodri, Olmo etc who were available. Yet when we don't sign anyone and neglect the players that were available we complain how Ole wasn't backed when it was Ole that targeted the impossible players and neglected the available ones in the first place. Ole then decides to wait for players like Sancho to be available in the next year and neglect other alternatives like Olmo, Under etc who are available. Yet we complain that out squad is thin
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Of course. Don't tell the Ole In crowd that though, they'll need to find a new hoop to jump through for their mental gymnastics display.
Can’t disagree with that, getting champions league is going to be tough but it’s not unachievable. I think Ole said in the last week 6 players are needed which sounds about right. I just don’t trust Ed and the Glazers to close the number one choices as they look like they want to do it on the cheap now. This haggling over £5-£10m for Fernandes is a joke now. If they end up doing the deal on the last day it’s negligent as we play Wolves the following day so unlikely to be ready to start a game and Chelsea 2 weeks later which is huge in the league chase for 4th spot obviously when he could have already been acclimatising now.
If we don’t sign him at all then we are just negligent given the state of our midfield.
So that's it? You can't actually disprove anything i've said? Shocker. Opinions can differ sure, but then there are facts you cannot dispute and the fact is you are pro Ole in based on zero evidence other than what you are hoping and wishing for, and that he used to play for us. For some reason because I rely more on fact and what can be seen by everyone, that makes me a "sick" person? Absolutely mind boggling the fairytale land some people live in
Well they both had at a lot longer at the club than Ole has had so far also but don’t let that get in they way of your mental gymnastics.
They are useless.
I've stuck to the same line since the summer, mate. No bending and moving goalposts from me. You may disagree with my opinion and views on the situation but one thing you can never say is I haven't been consistent with them and haven't tried moving goalposts to fit them.
You were just using some of the few good games from LVG and Jose who have had nearly 3 times as long as Ole as produce them, if Ole gets 3 years we might get to double figures good games!
No issue with your opinion but at least be fair when he hasn’t had the same length of time to compare number of games worth recalling.
When you remove a starting stricker, 2 starting midfielders and dont replace them you do.
Chelsea and Leciester have a far better sqaud than we do. Only Pogba and Rashford would walk into there squad easily and how long have they been injured for?
How do you you that Ole refused to sign any players for midfield? Are you privy to the discussions between Ed Woodward and Ole? There is things you can critisise Ole for sure, no need to invent things however.
The players that left needed to go, we dont know what kind of influence they where in the changing room (apart from Lukaku who we know was extremely negative.)
We dont know if Ole thinks the squad is good enough, he probably doesnt, but he cant come out publicly and say it. Remember when Jose did and the backlash that followed?
Ole hasnt been perfect, but no manager ever has, he is however our manager and deserves our full backing, removing Ole and bringing in a new manager is not going to fix the club, the issues run far deeper than that.
We also sold our main goalscorer, and 2 starting midfielders without replacing them. Leicester recruited very well bring in the young Turkish defender (Also Leicesters recruitment has been far better than ours for the past 5 years).Last season Leicester were 9th and we were 6th. We spent 150m and bought their defender while they spent 100m. How did they come to have a better squad than us with this? Maybe it has something to do with their managers?
I think that has more to do with it. Jose couldnt do it, LVG couldnt do it, and they are the most decorated managers in the game. The issues run far deeper than tge manager.
Fair enough.
Mate Ole literally said there were strikers available but they weren't the right fit. Also Ole is the one that brings list of players for the clubs to buy. Now tell me the midfielders we were 'strongly' linked with apart from Longstaff - who was overpriced and Eriksen and Dybala - who didn't want to come here
Regarding OGS and his view of Klopp taking four years to get this point. In season one under Klopp, LFC reached a Europa final. Season two the team reached the Champions League. Season three they reached a Champions League final and finished top four again Season four they won the CL and amassed 97 league points. Season five, runaway league leaders and in the CL knockouts.
In season one OGS failed to get top four. In season two you've had your worst start for more than 30 years. He’s already well behind schedule when it comes to emulating Klopp.
In season one OGS failed to get top four. In season two you've had your worst start for more than 30 years. He’s already well behind schedule when it comes to emulating Klopp.
Whose responsibility is that ? Isn't it our manager who makes choices during summer market to sell these and prioritize positions over other to spend ? Since the guy himself said it was his choice to spend the majority of the budget on defense rather than attack or midfield even while knowing Herrera and Fellaini left and he didn't fancy Lukaku. Beside he said loads of times he's the one who has the final say in transfers. He was the one who thought prioritizing defense is more important than getting a midfielder or attacker replacement.
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The fact that our squad looks far worse now than the team Ole inherited after a full summer and 150m spent is something that should be used against Ole, not an excuse.
Doubt he's trying to emulate Klopp.
Season one is this season.
Did you get access to the clubs list of targets? OGS has said there won't be anyone coming in that he doesn't want in the squad. That doesn't mean the club gets him any player he wants, at all costs - and rightly so. My take, be it right or not: blame him for those we keep and those we get. Those we don't get you can blame on a toxic atmosphere around the club, inept negotiators/higher management, lack of managerial pull, local climate and a whole lot of other factors. In what proportion, you'd need to read the minds of those rejecting an offer, be it clubs or players. Just my two pence...
So from the horses mouth then Ole and Ed deliberately focused our budget on two defenders at the expense of midfield and up front, even while losing 2 first team midfielders and 2 first team strikers.
And we did that because Ole wanted to improve the defence and control games.... Well that really worked out well because now we only win when we're the underdogs sitting deep and counterattacking. So much for needing to control games better.
It's quite incredible really. Ole waiting on a player like Sancho who is never in his right mind going to want to come and play for him. Like Moyes and Bale all over again.
And we did that because Ole wanted to improve the defence and control games.... Well that really worked out well because now we only win when we're the underdogs sitting deep and counterattacking. So much for needing to control games better.
It's quite incredible really. Ole waiting on a player like Sancho who is never in his right mind going to want to come and play for him. Like Moyes and Bale all over again.
He is digging his own grave with those LVG/Mourinho quotes, they will come to bite him when he gets sacked in April.
Are you? Im just stating facts, he spent his entire budget on defense and that was his choice
Ole's words "We did spend the majority of our summer transfer money in the last window on Aaron Wan-Bissaka and Harry Maguire because I felt we needed to defend better but also dominate and control games more."
He knew Lukaku was going to leave well before the summer transfer window becuase Lukaku told him shortly after he was made permanent. Lukaku confirmed this in his interview. He also knew Herrera was on his way out, and what did he do? Spend 150m on defenders and loan our best one out. Ole at the wheel.
But you have to realise we need a major overhaul. Lukaku has confirmed he wanted to leave in March itself so why would you want to force a player to stay on. There can only be two things that might have happened a) Ole was content with this squad or b) the board failed to back him as he expected. I chose to believe the later as it was Ole who said in April he will be making major changes with new players and then in July after we bought AWB he said he is looking for 3 more players and only to reduce that number to 1. All in all it has been poor stuff by the board and even Ole for not coming out open with the issue.
What do you mean by from the horses mouth?
Well he shouldn’t name drop him then.
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