PSG fans are not really keen to see him playing for their club.
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Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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Likely one or two people unfolding a banner. The French PSG forum is largely in support of the transfer. They have some of the same reservations United have e.g. his defensive abolity, but personally I think PSG with their two wide attackers is a far better fit for him then at United.
I get the feeling the loss of Pogba would be quite similar to the Coutinho sale at Liverpool. Class player but the team becomes more complete without him and ultimately benefits without in the long run (Provided we replace wisely in the midfield that is). He isn't a good fit for our system and I'm not sure he can play with Bruno well at all unless he plays on the left wing.
I don't see him accepting contract this summer because in reality, it is not in his interest. When player is out of contract, he and (in this case very important) his agent are in great position. Other clubs don't need to pay fee so they can offer big contract and signing on fee. As i recall, Lewa and his agent got 15-20 mil in cash for signing for Bayern.
For us, of course, this situation is shit.
For us, of course, this situation is shit.
Basically, in order for him to be tempted to stay, we have to pay Pogba and Raiola roughly the same amount they would get if he moved on a free transfer.
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Just for correction, he played as CM vs Arsenal home in diamond formation so it's almost like he played as LM. While he moved to deeper role vs Arsenal away when McTominay got injured.
As CM:
Spurs - 90 mins and we lost 6-1 on October 4th
Chelsea - 32 mins as a substitute on October 24th
Arsenal - 90 mins and he gave away the goal that meant we lost 1-0 on November 1st
As either a LM or RM:
City - 90 mins
Leicester - 36 mins
Liverpool - 90 mins and 90 mins
Arsenal - 90 mins
Spurs - 90 mins
Pogba's last appearance in midfield against a big(ish) team was Arsenal on November 1st (the game he gave away the goal that lost us the game). The only other match he's started in midfield was the 6-1 loss to Tottenham.
Let that sink in. Ole hasn't picked Pogba in a big PL game in midfield since last Autumn. McFred have been our clear first choice in that part of the field.
So Pogba's main competition next season won't be Fred or McTominay. It'll be Rashford, Sancho, Martial and Greenwood. And I'd fancy any of them ahead of Pogba.
But then again, it doesn't change your and other people point that Ole never have much faith to pick Pogba in big PL games in midfield. We'll be much better with player who is natural wide player like Sancho to play wide and someone who can play in double pivot or in deeper role than Pogba. Talented but he doesn't fit to the system because he needs freedom, he lacks discipline, and his best role is right now taken by Bruno.
Just want to correct people saying his best position would be as a No.10 where Bruno plays - it’s not.
One of the reasons Bruno had such a transformative impact on this team is how quickly he releases the ball. It can lead to him losing it of course but the whole forward line plays quicker as a result. Pogba, on the other hand, does the opposite. He plays far slower and takes a lot of touches. That effects off the ball movement from forward players and general speed of play. Flip side is his ball retention is miles better than Bruno’s. That may suit some teams - but most importantly, it doesn’t suit this one for that position.
We’re 5 years down the line and still debating where best to play him. The answer is obvious - it’s not worked and it isn’t going to. Personally, I’ve had enough of the circus that comes with him and his agent. There is not a fecking chance he’ll sign a new deal so we have to sell now.
One of the reasons Bruno had such a transformative impact on this team is how quickly he releases the ball. It can lead to him losing it of course but the whole forward line plays quicker as a result. Pogba, on the other hand, does the opposite. He plays far slower and takes a lot of touches. That effects off the ball movement from forward players and general speed of play. Flip side is his ball retention is miles better than Bruno’s. That may suit some teams - but most importantly, it doesn’t suit this one for that position.
We’re 5 years down the line and still debating where best to play him. The answer is obvious - it’s not worked and it isn’t going to. Personally, I’ve had enough of the circus that comes with him and his agent. There is not a fecking chance he’ll sign a new deal so we have to sell now.
Yes. As a fanbase we've spent years discussing where to play him and how to unlock his talent. It seems he's such a specialised player that also wants to do a specific thing that he is going to limit the tactical flexibility of the team. Add that to him constantly saying through his agent he wants out, I still don't understand why people are desperate to keep him. It's not saying he's a bad player, he's just not worth the headaches he has caused, and those wages could be spent on a player that adds more to the team.
Pretty much this. Undoubtly, Paul is very talented player, but he is keen to leave and we can find players who will be cheaper, are eager to play for United and contribute more to the team. We will lose on marketing side, but I am absolutely sure we will not suffer on the pitch if he leaves.
If Pogba leaves I wonder where he will rank in terms of United fan favourites during the Premier League era?
I would put him comfortably below most regular first team players pre Moyes, although he'd probably be ahead of most of our signings since then with a few exceptions, who I think the hardcore fans (particularly at Old Trafford) have enjoyed watching more:
Zlatan
Cavani
Martial
Mata
Shaw
Maguire
Bruno
Weirdly Schweinsteiger & Falcao were also loved by match going fans, but I think this was more linked to past glories and a desperation for them to do well in a United shirt.
Lukaku, Mkhitaryan also seemed fairly popular - probably would put them at a similar level in terms of fan fondness even though Pogba has had more better games and his greatest moments reached much higher levels.
All said, I don't think he will be remembered with loads of fondness when he eventually leaves which is a shame as the stage was set for him to be a club legend when he returned.
I would put him comfortably below most regular first team players pre Moyes, although he'd probably be ahead of most of our signings since then with a few exceptions, who I think the hardcore fans (particularly at Old Trafford) have enjoyed watching more:
Zlatan
Cavani
Martial
Mata
Shaw
Maguire
Bruno
Weirdly Schweinsteiger & Falcao were also loved by match going fans, but I think this was more linked to past glories and a desperation for them to do well in a United shirt.
Lukaku, Mkhitaryan also seemed fairly popular - probably would put them at a similar level in terms of fan fondness even though Pogba has had more better games and his greatest moments reached much higher levels.
All said, I don't think he will be remembered with loads of fondness when he eventually leaves which is a shame as the stage was set for him to be a club legend when he returned.
Seeing how quite obviously Pogba splits the fanbase and even plenty of those who like him aren't too fussed to see him move on, its a bit of a silly question isn't it.
If we lose Pogba then we absolutely MUST sign a replacement midfielder. I'd argue ideally we would need two.
There is still an awful lot to happen this window and not a lot of time left. I hope it doesn't end up being another disappointing one?
There is still an awful lot to happen this window and not a lot of time left. I hope it doesn't end up being another disappointing one?
It's already shaping up to be one of the best in ages? The way we're going about things there's no way we don't buy at least one midfielder in my opinion.
We would definitely need two. We are making good strides forward but losing Pogba (IMO at least) is a bigger loss than many make out here.
We definitely need an improved DM and if Pogba does go we need a midfielder who can progress the ball and play it forwards effectively. Otherwise you watch the pressure mount on Bruno's shoulders (regardless of the added creativity from Sancho.)
Casemiro or Kante would be nice.
As recently as an hour ago the club still heavily advertised him ahead of the new season, clubs don't normally do that for a player who's potentially leaving. Strange
Chelsea did the same with Hazard.
It's obvious he will not sign a contract.
He is not mad keen on going to PSG unless it is crazy money they are offering in wages and signing on bonuses.
United are therefore hoping that a good season will presuade him to stay.
We are still discussing after 5 years his best position, this tells all.
If we can, sell and move on.
He is not mad keen on going to PSG unless it is crazy money they are offering in wages and signing on bonuses.
United are therefore hoping that a good season will presuade him to stay.
We are still discussing after 5 years his best position, this tells all.
If we can, sell and move on.
He will come to symbolise a time when the clubs transfer strategy was lead more by marketing clout than footballing instincts and tactics. At the time we bought him the club was looking for big names in world football to arrest the decline of the club. Some, Like Zlatan, played hard, worked hard and earned their corn.
Pogba had the chance to grow into whatever type of player he wanted. It's just unfortunate that in Deschamps and the Translator he had 2 terrible managers who did not develop him, but either indulged or used him to create drama. However under Ole he hasn't made any progress, unlike other players.
In the long run he will largely be forgotten as a Manchester United Player, seen as an irrelevance in the grander scheme of things, as he has never seemed to truly put others or the team before himself. He'll probably be missed more by the players than the fans.
He'll be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Veron, for better or worse
No player post Fergie has done anything on the pitch to warrant a all time fan favourite tag imo
This window has potential to be best in ages. Rw, world class defender, attacking right full back. But if we lose Paul then our central midfield becomes midtable at best. We just can't afford to lose Pogba (despite all the talks how good/bad he was for us). He is top and unique midfielder.
My opinion is that Pogba is not Bruno/Modric type of player; someone who makes team better on his own. Pogba is type of player who plays the best when he is in top squad. He is lets say cherry on top.
And now our squad will be great next season so he will be too.
Yeah, if we lose him i will be (football wise) devastated.
Genuine question and a highly unlikely scenario. If he goes and then we win our first major trophy under Ole - would you still be devastated?
Also a second, more likely scenario, let’s say we win an FA cup (not a major title but decent trophy) and otherwise have a similar season as the last one.That would be our best season under Ole. Is that not worth the trade off?
I don’t think anyone is debating how good a player he is but there’s a very real possibility we could better as a team without him.
That would be all the worse if we lose him for free next summer. I would take whatever we can get for him, replace him as best we can and learn from our mistake. We should never buy anyone that doesn't 100% want to be at United. Personally, I think Pogba only ever saw united as a bridge to Madrid anyway and now that hasn't materialized for him so he is hot and cold all the time. He seems to give 100% effort a few times per year but that's maybe just to keep his value up, who knows how he thinks.
If Mbappe makes it clear he won't renew at PSG, would they turn down Pogba and Martial swap for him? Provided United can convince Mbappe to come to the premier league and challenge himself, rather than go to a sinking La Liga.
Agree with this. For all the squeals of his supporters about how the club has somehow failed him, it is just nothing more than a transfer that didn’t work. A bloody expensive and high profile one at that. He doesn’t deserve to be remembered, he hasn’t earned it.
Would be astonishing if Pogba left when we are strengthening the team as we do this summer. Our squad is very, very strong on paper now.
This.
Some have, but it's difficult for a club of so many past glories to have players in the pantheon that peaked during a far less illustrious time.
De Gea got closest with some really solid seasons and absolute heroics in 17-18. If he had left then instead of signing the mammoth contract and going downhill since, I have no doubt he'd go down as an all time fan favourite. The last 2-3 years have soured this somehow though.
He could also go and win the CL and the WC during the next 15 months while we win nothing. Hypotheticals mean nothing.
Your post reads like he's the one stopping the team from winning trophies which can't be further from the truth.
In theory it could be. Sancho is a good start, it really is only a start though.
I'd agree, I cant see two CM's coming in as well as Sancho, A CB and maybe a right back though.
Are there actually any relevant updates on him?
Not at all - just a question. I don’t think he’s stopping us winning anything.
If he did leave United and won everything it wouldn’t mean much as long as we got back to winning. Sometimes player do better in different leagues or sometimes they just need a change.
If we get 40-50 million for him now and after buying Sancho & Verane surely the net spend this transfer window looks good so we could get in a good replacement for midfield.
With the world cup looming he must want game time. I think he will sign an extension or be sold. I can't see him running his contract down. If I am wrong then I hope Ole doesn't play him.
There is literally no way he’s leaving. I don’t understand why anyone is taking about it. It is NOT in his best interests to leave now as he has the option of ONE team. In January, he’ll have the option of most teams and Mino will get trucks of money too.
IMO he’ll see out the season and leave or realise that Barca, Madrid and Juve are all pretty skint and actually we’ll pay him the most and re-sign with us.
There’s no chance he joins PSG. Not only do I think he’s too smart to spend his prime years in a trash league but he has said before he won’t play for them and seemingly, their fans don’t want him either!
IMO he’ll see out the season and leave or realise that Barca, Madrid and Juve are all pretty skint and actually we’ll pay him the most and re-sign with us.
There’s no chance he joins PSG. Not only do I think he’s too smart to spend his prime years in a trash league but he has said before he won’t play for them and seemingly, their fans don’t want him either!
Never going to happen.
Hard to know what's really being said behind closed doors though.
Looking at Solskjaer's squad, the way he wants to play and how much emphasis he puts on only wanting players who really want to be here (See Lukaku and Sanchez) It really wouldn't surprise me if he's told the board to look at any offers that come in.
I don't think Pogba suits the '2' in midfield. Bruno Fernandes is the #10 and I can't see Pogba playing much on the left now that Sancho is in.
I think Solskjaer would be more than happy to get £50m for Pogba and reinvest it in a CM who can play in the 2 and won't bring a circus. And it wouldn't surprise me if behind the scenes Pogba would be more open to staying than we're lead to believe. Raiola will make it seem like Pogba's choice anyway to save face.
This is not fanboy stuff. I just think that we are far better team with Pogba and that he would be hard to replace.
If we will win PL with Jones and Lingard in midfield then great.
