RedCafe All-Time Top-30 | Wingers & wide midfielders | Results

[Synco]

		TOTAL POINTS
1	George Best	850
2	Garrincha	791
3	Luís Figo	502
4	Pavel Nedvěd	434
5	Dragan Džajić	428
6	Arjen Robben	416
7	Paco Gento	401
8	Ryan Giggs	397
9	David Beckham	358
10	Zoltán Czibor	321
11	Stanley Matthews	317
12	Rob Rensenbrink	307
13	Tom Finney	289
14	Franck Ribéry	279
15	Kurt Hamrin	267
16	Bruno Conti	208
17	Jimmy Johnstone	204
18	Pierre Littbarski	168
19	Piet Keizer	162
20	Grzegorz Lato	146
21	John Barnes	133
22	Julinho	90
23	Juan Joya	87
24	Brian Laudrup	82
25	Roberto Donadoni	64
26	Amancio Amaro	59
27	Pepe	57
28	Igor Chislenko	56
29	Marc Overmars	54
30	Helmut Rahn	44
31	Robert Pires	39
32	Jair	37
33	Mário Zagallo	34
34	Ángel Di María	33
35	Branko Zebec	29
36	Eden Hazard	26
37	Coen Moulijn	25
	Johnny Rep	25
39	Félix Loustau	22
40	Paulo Futre	21
	Alcides Ghiggia	21
42	Franco Causio	20
43	Andrei Kanchelskis	17
44	David Ginola	16
45	Julio Abbadie	15
46	Robert Gadocha	13
47	Raimundo Orsi	11
48	Luis Cubilla	9
	Jürgen Grabowski	9
50	Bernd Schneider	6
51	László Budai	5
	Oreste Corbatta	5
	Zé Roberto	5
54	Mario Corso	4
	Chris Waddle	4
56	Eddie Gray	3
	Mikheil Meskhi	3
58	Lennart Skoglund	1

Spoiler: ORIGINAL OP

Post your list of the 30 greatest wingers/wide midfielders of all time. This thread will be open until June 23th (unless we decide to extend the vote).

The remaining players are grouped into three positions*. Please use the left column for voting in this thread:

Spoiler

Wingers & wide midfielders​	Forwards​	Strikers​
Figo​	Pelé​	G. Müller​
Beckham​	Messi​	Luis Ronaldo​
Best​	Cruyff​	van Basten​
Giggs​	Cristiano​	Romario​
Matthews​	Ronaldinho​	Seeler​
Finney​	Eusébio​	Law​
Garrincha​	Puskás​	Elkjær​
Overmars​	Di Stéfano​	Suarez​
Keizer​	Blokhin​	Kocsis​
Džajić​	Rummenigge​	Greaves​
Nedvěd​	Gullit​	Nordahl​
Rensenbrink​	Jairzinho​	Batistuta​
Rahn​	Kubala​	Shevchenko​
Corso​	F. Walter​	Bican​
Grabowski​	Rivaldo​	Fontaine​
Rep​	Moreno​	Deak​
Lato​	Zizinho​	Vava​
Gadocha​	Pedernera​	Inzaghi​
Johnstone​	Hidegkuti​	Streich​
Robben​	Sívori​	Villa​
Ribery​	V. Mazzola​	Larsson​
Conti​	Scarone​	Ademir​
Causio​	Rocha​	Erico​
Czibor​	Savicevic​	Klinsmann​
Julinho​	Simonsen​	Piola​
Gento​	T. Müller​	Riva​
Hamrin​	Ivanov​	Charles​
Pepe​	Arshavin​	van Nistelrooy​
Zé Roberto​	Hoeneß​	Papin​
Amancio​	Baggio​	H. Sanchez​
Littbarski​	Sarosi​	Lewandowski​
Barnes​	Sindelar​	Rooney​
Pires​	Henry​	Weah​
Futre​	F. Albert​	Lineker​
Di Maria​	Neymar​	Völler​
Joya​	Stoichkov​	Eto'o​
Cubilla​	Bergkamp​	Spencer​
B. Laudrup​	Bene​	Drogba​
Donadoni​	Kempes​	Careca​
Ginola​	Del Piero​	Shearer​
Ghiggia​	Totti​	Vieri​
Moulijn​	Griezmann​	Agüero​
Waddle​	Salah​	Torres​
Chislenko​	Mané​	Rush​
Jair​	Bale​	Trezeguet​
Zebec​	Streltsov​	Crespo​
​	Heynckes​	Rossi​
​	Francescoli​	Krankl​
​	Keegan​	Kluivert​
​	Dalglish​	​
​	Boniek​	​
​	Vukas​	​
​	Van Himst​	​
​	Zola​	​
​	Tostao​	​
​	Raul​	​
​	Bebeto​	​
​	Tevez​	​

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Please regard the following rules:

• You can post less than 30 names, but not more. Minimum list size is 10 players.
• Players included in the other positional shortlists (including earlier ones for other positions*) are ineligible for this vote. Unlisted players can be included if they fit the position. You can also name missing players in the discussion thread.
• Please only include players with at least one season after the 1950 World Cup. (Wingers shortlist is already vetted accordingly, forwards & strikers will be too.)

Lists should be posted in this format:

1. J. O'Shea
2. P. Jones
3. etc.

All discussion goes into this thread: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/redcafes-top-20-by-position.448431/

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* you can find all previous positional votes here and here.

 

[BlackShark_80]

1. Garrincha
2. G. Best
3. S. Matthews
4. D. Dzajic
5. L. Figo
6. F. Gento
7. P. Nedved
8. Julinho
9. T. Finney
10. Z. Czibor
11. K. Hamrin
12. A. Robben
13. R. Giggs
14. F. Ribery
15. J. Johnstone
16. Pepe
17. P. Keizer
18. H. Rahn
19. A. Amaro
20. G. Lato

 

[Enigma_87]

1. Garrincha
2. G. Best
3. L. Figo
4. D. Dzajic
5. F. Gento
6. P. Nedved
7. A. Robben
8. R. Rensenbrink
9. T. Finney
10. R. Giggs
11. D. Beckham
12. P. Littbarski
13. S. Matthews
14. Z. Czibor
15. K. Hamrin
16. J. Johnstone
17. B. Conti
18. A. Amaro
19. F. Ribery
20. P. Keizer
21. J. Joya
22. Pepe
23. Jair
24. Moulijn
25. Donadoni
26. Barnes
27. Chislenko
28. Zebec
29. Ginola
30. Lato

 

[Physiocrat]

1. Garrincha
2. G. Best
3. T. Finney
4. L. Figo
5. S. Matthews
6. D. Dzajic
7. P. Nedved
8. Z. Czibor
9. R. Giggs
10. K.Hamrin
11. F. Gento
12. A. Robben
13. P. Littbarski
14. P. Keizer
15. D. Beckham
16. A. Amancio
17. Resenbrink
18. B. Conti
19. J. Barnes
20. H. Rahn

 

[Gio]

1. Garrincha
2. G. Best
3. D. Dzajic
4. P. Gento
5. L. Figo
6. A. Robben
7. P. Nedved
8. R. Giggs
9. B. Laudrup
10. T. Finney
11. S. Matthews
12. Z. Czibor
13. K. Hamrin
14. J. Johnstone
15. R. Rensenbrink
16. J. Joya
17. D. Beckham
18. B. Conti
19. P. Kiezer
20. G. Lato
21. J. Barnes
22. Pepe
23. E. Hazard
24. P. Littbarski
25. I. Chislenko
26. O. Corbatta
27. F. Ribery
28. R. Gadocha
29. L. Cubilla
30. R. Donadoni

 

[harms]

1. G. Best
2. Garrincha
3. L. Figo
4. P. Nedved
5. T. Finney
6. D. Džajić
7. P. Gento
8. S. Matthews
9. A. Robben
10. R. Rensenbrink
11. R. Giggs
12. D. Beckham
13. Z. Czibor
14. J. Johnstone
15. B. Conti
16. F. Ribery
17. P. Littbarski
18. J. Barnes
19. B. Laudrup
20. K. Hamrin
21. I. Chislenko
22. G. Lato
23. P. Keizer
24. J. Joya
25. Julinho
26. F. Causio
27. M. Overmars
28. B. Zebec
29. R. Pires
30. Jair

 

[Šjor Bepo]

1. Best
2. Garrincha
3. Beckham
4. Figo
5. Gento
6. Czibor
7. Nedved
8. Ribery
9. Robben
10. Giggs
11. Dzajic
12. Matthews
13. Conti
14. Finney
15. Rensenbrink
16. Hamrin
17. Chislenko
18. Jair
19. Littbarski
20. Johnstone
21. B. Laudrup
22. Barnes
23. Lato
24. Overmars
25. Schneider
26. Zagallo
27. Hazard
28. E. Gray
29. Donadoni
30. Keizer

 

[Invictus]

1. George Best
2. Mané Garrincha
3. Luís Figo
4. Francisco Gento
5. Pavel Nedvěd
6. Arjen Robben
7. Zoltán Czibor
8. Rob Rensenbrink
9. David Beckham
10. Ryan Giggs
11. Franck Ribéry
12. Dragan Džajić
13. Stanley Matthews
14. Kurt Hamrin
15. Félix Loustau
16. Júlinho Botelho
17. Bruno Conti
18. Tom Finney
19. Pierre Littbarski
20. José Macia Pepe
21. Helmut Rahn
22. Grzegorz Lato
23. Piet Keizer
24. Jimmy Johnstone
25. Coen Moulijn
26. Roberto Donadoni
27. Jair da Costa
28. Alcides Ghiggia
29. Mário Zagallo
30. Amancio Amaro

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

1. G. Best
2. Garrincha
3. S. Matthews
4. D. Beckham
5. L. Figo
6. R. Giggs
7. D. Džajić
8. T. Finney
9. Z. Czibor
10. J. Johnstone
11. P. Keizer
12. P. Gento
13. P. Nedvěd
14. R. Rensenbrink
15. G. Lato
16. K. Hamrin
17. B. Conti
18. A. Robben
19. F. Ribery
20. J. Barnes
21. B. Laudrup
22. 22. R. Donadoni
23. A. Amancio
24. P. Littbarski
25. Jair
26. B. Zebec
27. M. Corso
28. J. Rep
29. J. Joya
30. R. Pires

 

[antohan]

1. Best
2. Garrincha
3. Džajić
4. Giggs
5. Figo
6. Gento
7. Nedvěd
8. Beckham
9. Matthews
10. Robben
11. Ghiggia
12. Czibor
13. Hamrin
14. Johnstone
15. Finney
16. Littbarski
17. Lato
18. Joya
19. Conti
20. Cubilla
21. Julinho
22. Ribery
23. Donadoni

Feck it, have long lost track of any sense of direction/relative weighting at this point.

 

[Joga Bonito]

1. Best
2. Garrincha
3. Figo
4. Giggs
5. Robben
6. Rensenbrink
7. Beckham
8. Conti
9. Dzajic
10. Nedved
11. Littbarski
12. Czibor
13. Hamrin
14. Gento
15. Finney
16. Johnstone
17. Donadoni
18. Zagallo
19. Lato
20. Matthews
21. Ribery
22. Barnes
23. Keizer
24. Rep
25. Chislenko
26. Moulijn
27. Laudrup
28. Overmars
29. Causio
30. Skoglund

 

[Earvin Johnson]

1. Best
2. Rensenbrink
3. Ribery
4. Džajić
5. Garrincha
6. Robben
7. Figo
8. Nedvěd
9. Gento
10. Giggs
11. Hamrin
12. Futre
13. Beckham
14. Keizer
15. Littbarski
16. Di Maria
17. Johnstone
18.Causio
19. Pepe
20. Pires
21. Gadocha
22. Laudrup
23. Barnes
24. Lato
25. Conti
26. Hazard
27. Waddle
28. Overmars
29. Donadoni
30. Amancio

Some players like Matthews and Finney didn't make the cut because i couldn't find enough footage of them to judge them properly.

I'll explain some of my choices i made in the discussion thread.

 

[Michaelf7777777]

1. Garrincha
2. George Best
3. Tom Finney
4. Luís Figo
5. Zoltán Czibor
6. Dragan Džajić
7. Kurt Hamrin
8. Francisco Gento
9. Arjen Robben
10. Jimmy Johnstone
11. Ryan Giggs
12. Juan Joya
13. Rob Rensenbrink
14. Stanley Matthews
15. Pavel Nedvěd
16. Julio Abbadie
17. Grzegorz Lato
18. Amancio Amaro
19. David Beckham
20. Franck Ribéry
21. Branko Zebec
22. John Barnes
23. Mário Zagallo
24. Bruno Conti
25. Helmut Rahn
26. László Budai
27. Zé Roberto
28. Mikheil Meskhi
29. Alcides Ghiggia
30. Pierre Littbarski

 

[Synco]

1. Garrincha
2. Best
3. Czibor
4. Figo
5. Nedved
6. Robben
7. Finney
8. Gento
9. Matthews
10. Dzajic
11. Beckham
12. Giggs
13. Rensenbrink
14. Julinho
15. Rahn
16. Hamrin
17. Conti
18. Ribery
19. Johnstone
20. Lato
21. Littbarski
22. Grabowski
23. Zebec
24. Amancio
25. Keizer
26. Jair
27. Rep
28. Donadoni
29. Futre
30. Zé Roberto

 

[berbasloth4]

1. best
2. garrincha. matthews
figo
nedved
czibor
rensinbrink
giggs
robben
beckham
ribery
overmars
donadoni
finney
gento
barnes
leto
luis enrique
mcmanaman
johnstone
julinho
futre
ze roberto
waddle
kanchelskis
laudrup b
kezer
littrabski
ginola
duff

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

1. Garrincha
2. G. Best
3. L. Figo
4. P. Nedvěd
5. D. Džajić
6. A. Robben
7. Z. Czibor
8. F. Ribery
9. D. Beckham
10. R. Rensenbrink
11. K. Hamrin
12. P. Gento
13. T. Finney
14. R. Giggs
15. B. Conti
16. G. Lato
17. S. Matthews
18. R. Pires
19. P. Keizer
20. M. Overmars
21. Julinho
22. J. Barnes
23. P. Littbarski
24. C. Moulijn
25. M. Zagallo
26. B. Laudrup
27. R. Donadoni
28. J. Joya
29. J. Johnstone

 

[paulscholes18]

1 G. Best
2 Garrincha
3 P. Nedved
4 D. Beckham
5 L. Figo
6 A. Robben
7 M Overmars
8 F. Ribery
9 S. Matthews
10 R. Giggs
11 F. Gento
12 D. Dzajic
13 R. Rensenbrink
14 A. Kanchelkis
15 E. Hazard
16 D. Ginola
17 A. Di Maria
18 S. Mcmanaman
19 J. Barnes
20 R. Sterling
21 L. Nani
22 Ze Roberto
23 D. Anderton
24 L. Sane
25 D. Duff
26 R. Quaresma
27 B. Laudrop
28 R. Pires
29 G. Waddle

 

[P-Nut]

Garrincha
Best
Figo
Gento
Czibor
Nedved
Beckham
Giggs
Robben
Ribery
Dzagic
Matthews

 

[Isotope]

Best
Garrincha
Nedved
Figo
Dzajic
Beckham
Robben
Ribery
Hamrin
Gento
Matthews
Littbarski
B. Conti
Czibor
Julinho
Giggs
Donadoni
Keizer
Chislenko
Barnes

 

[Motorman]

1. Best
2. Giggs
3. Robben
4. Figo
5. Ribery
6. Beckham
7. Pires
8. Nedvěd
9. Di Maria
10. Barnes

 

[2mufc0]

Best
Garrincha
Figo
Giggs
Robben
Djazic
Keizer
Nedved
Gento
Beckham
Rensenbrink
Conti
Barnes
Johnstone
Ribery
Rep
B Laudrup
Overmars
Lato
Kanchelskis
Ginola

 

[Fortitude]

1. Garrincha
2. G. Best
3. D. Dzajic
4. P. Gento
5. L. Figo
6. A. Robben
7. P. Nedved
8. R. Giggs
9. S. Matthews
10. T. Finney
11. R. Rensenbrink
12. Z. Czibor
13. F. Ribery
14. Julinho
15. D. Beckham
16. J. Barnes
17. J. Johnstone
18. K. Hamrin
19. G. Lato
20. R. Orsi
21. J. Joya
22. B. Conti
23. P. Kiezer
24. I. Chislenko
25. Loustau
26. Pepe
27. R. Donadoni
28. P. Littbarski
29. H. Rahn
30. A. Di Maria

 

[harms]

The thread is closed for now, but give me or @Synco a tag in the main thread if you wanted to do a list but didn't manage to do it in time!

 

[Synco]

Results for this category are now in the OP.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Results for this category are now in the OP.

@harms did it better

 

[Synco]

@harms did it better

No question!

 

[Himannv]

@harms did it better

Someone voted for noodle dick, and it's not you. What's up with that?

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Someone voted for noodle dick, and it's not you. What's up with that?

whole list is shambles

 

[Earvin Johnson]

Pretty sure Di Maria would rank a lot higher following recent events

 

[Synco]

Pretty sure Di Maria would rank a lot higher following recent events

Agree, at least for my own evaluation. Especially as that was more of a confirmation than something never seen from him before.

It's funny, reading back my own lists, there are a hundred things I'd do differently now.

 

[Physiocrat]

whole list is shambles

It is, Beckham above Finney is a joke.

 

[harms]

Pretty sure Di Maria would rank a lot higher following recent events

The voting happened way, way before that.

 

[Synco]

It is, Beckham above Finney is a joke.

Not sure if you just want to tease Sjor, but it's simply the oldie tax, I'd say. Many 50s greats will land lower than they likely should (Ocwirk and Nordahl, for example).

It's inevitable, but at the same time the amount of good work in here with match comps and in-depth discussions has still paid off, imo. Including for these rankings.

 

[Physiocrat]

Not sure if you just want to tease Sjor, but it's simply the oldie tax, I'd say. Many 50s greats will land lower than they likely should (Ocwirk and Nordahl, for example).

It's inevitable, but at the same time the amount of good work in here with match comps and in-depth discussions has still paid off, imo. Including for these rankings.

IIRC the full videos of Nordahl and Ocwirk on relatively recently surfaced. But yes, I do think the pre-60s players are underrated to some extent although that might be a reaction to earlier draft superman reputations for players like Moreno or Meazza (they may not be the best examples but you get the idea).

 

[Gehrman]

Have to admit i dont know much about many on this list. Also hard to compare inverted wingers like Robben vs traditional 442 wingers like Giggs. Both had peak performances and i would lean towards Giggs due to being a man utd fan, but Robben was just absurdly good at times but so was giggsy. Still a good list.

 

[Fortitude]

IIRC the full videos of Nordahl and Ocwirk on relatively recently surfaced. But yes, I do think the pre-60s players are underrated to some extent although that might be a reaction to earlier draft superman reputations for players like Moreno or Meazza (they may not be the best examples but you get the idea).

Que?

 

[Physiocrat]

Que?

I think they appear in some of the Heavy Roller's videos.

 

[Fortitude]

I think they appear in some of the Heavy Roller's videos.

Oh wow, have you seen any footage?

 

[harms]

Oh wow, have you seen any footage?

Yeah. Nordahl looks amazing, much nimbler than you’d expect (or I expected, at least) him to be. Ocwirk looked very good but it’s harder to stand out as a CM over 1 game.

 

[Fortitude]

Yeah. Nordahl looks amazing, much nimbler than you’d expect (or I expected, at least) him to be. Ocwirk looked very good but it’s harder to stand out as a CM over 1 game.

I'm intrigued. So Nordahl isn't a Shearer-esque bruiser of a striker?

It's Ocwirk I'm more interested in, tbh. As he sounds like the stuff of legend and I'm curious to see how that actually pans out, but yeah, need more than a single game for that.