Outplayed by a manager that had no preseason..I thought ETH was suppose to be the solution. I am hoping it is just fatigue because we did play a lot in pre season....
VAR and Refs | General Discussion | May 15: Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The Spurs keeper too.
Lucky break for sure. But then again, refs have always been shit at calling these. Emi Martinez bitchslapped Elanga in the face last season and nothing happened.
The one time it's been called everyone was so surprised that we kept calling it a horrible call.
The one time it's been called everyone was so surprised that we kept calling it a horrible call.
It would help if they explain why that wasn’t given. Seemed an obvious pen to me. Not sure whether it was due to him colliding after the ball was headed but seemed a certain pen.
I do not understand that decision. I know keepers get extra protection, but those 'fouls' against them come from fumbles and even then they get lucky.
This though, this was a goalkeeper completely cleaning out an opposition player who was making no reciprocal challenge on him. It's as clear a foul as you will ever, ever see.
This though, this was a goalkeeper completely cleaning out an opposition player who was making no reciprocal challenge on him. It's as clear a foul as you will ever, ever see.
That challenge happens multiple times every weekend in the PL, and I don't think I've seen a penalty given for it. So it would have been typical for us to be on the end of the opposite decision, somewhat relieved that consistency won out.
Which is why I wasn't surprised that this wasn't given. Usually isn't against goalkeepers. Dawson had already headed the ball so it didn't impact Wolves. We have definitely seen keepers straight up punch attackers and nothing given. Onana at least didn't do that but rather gave a forceful hug.
Keepers clattering attackers after the ball has gone has been given as a penalty once (Nketiah vs City last year) and pretty much never otherwise.
It doesn't make any sense at all, but those are very rarely pens.
It doesn't make any sense at all, but those are very rarely pens.
The only thing playing in his favour is that the challenge happened after the Wolves player had already headed it.
Varchester United innit
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
- charges
- jumps at
- kicks or attempts to kick
- pushes
- strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
- tackles or challenges
- trips or attempts to trip
Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:
- a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
- holds an opponent
- impedes an opponent with contact
- bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
- throws an object at the ball, opponent or match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object
Exactly that. A different player to who he clattered as well.
And a keeper clattering a player who isn't even involved with the ball never gets given.
It probably should though. I’d be wanting a penalty for it and I was surprised they didn’t give it.
Is it not a pen because the player didn't touch the ball?
I didn't see him do any of those things. Thanks for explaining why it's not a penalty.
We didn't get a decision our way after the media's shitfit over Bruno/Rashford against City last season.
We won't get a decision all season now because of this.
We won't get a decision all season now because of this.
Yeah that's my worry. It'll be brought up all season now.
you should try and see it then. I am sure there are clips online already.
Just seems a fairly standard sort of collision that isn't ever given.
I'm sure we've fumed about similar in recent years we didn't get.
He just jumps up to try to catch it, he's not jumping at or challenging anyone. Some guy just happened to get in the way, can't blame Onana for that...
a whole week to rant now, before the inevitable soft decision against Tottenham on Sunday
It's a wwe chop. it is a challenge that is both reckless and careless
If any other player does what Onana did it'd be a pen no question and possibly a red card for violent conduct. Keepers are so protected its unreal.
Spurs keeper clattered the Brentford player after the ball went yesterday and nothing was said...
He is, and is better than your clown Pochettino.I thought ETH was suppose to be the solution
I honestly thought that it was fate that a penalty would be given and the media could have its 3 weeks of destroying Onana.
Loads of time De Gea got flattened and we conceded as no foul would be given. Thankfully its the other way now.
Never a penalty, both players have a right to go for that ball. The ball made contact with with the attacker first as well and went backwards. Now if Onana smashes into him before the player touches the ball, preventing him from getting a touch.. then yes absolutely penalty.
It will be forgotten by Saturday. Should have been given but it saved my acca so it's fine
Exactly what will happen
People need to stop mentioning Onana incident. Penalty without question. It doesn’t get more penalty talking about it.
That should not take away that we should have been given penalty in first half for handball when ball was going towards goal. This need to be in the light. But knowing how football in England works everybody will be saying we were lucky. Just because we are Man Utd.
That should not take away that we should have been given penalty in first half for handball when ball was going towards goal. This need to be in the light. But knowing how football in England works everybody will be saying we were lucky. Just because we are Man Utd.
Well yeah, but an outfield players job doesn't involve using their hands to try and catch crosses and keep goals out.
Okay good point. However, just translate the incident into what an outfielders job does involve. It'd be like a defender charging towards a contested loose ball, sliding in, not getting the ball and catching the man. That's a textbook foul and, depending on the aggression of the slide tackle, a yellow or red card.
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The new laws concerning time wasting and players staying down faking injuries…really worked well tonight.
Thought the games flowed a lot more and generally the players got back on their feet pretty quickly.
Also general respect towards the refs was good.
Thought the games flowed a lot more and generally the players got back on their feet pretty quickly.
Also general respect towards the refs was good.
VAR simply being merciful. Would have been cruel to give Wolves yet another chance to miss.
That's us getting absolutely rode on Saturday then. Expecting a Michael Oliver or Anthony Taylor special.