Have the inevitable PMGOL apologies emerged yet or is it just when clubs don't get penalties against United?
If the contact caused the fall then he'd either be knocked off balance and fall after trying to stay up, or he'd go down instantly. He takes a few more strides and just collapses. Yes, Dalot does touch him underneath his boot, which is what they consistently zoomed in on.Hard to tell really whether the contact really caused the fall, but it was so minimal that it's so frustrating. I am more pissed at Dalot for it to be honest, either bring him down outside the box or put pressure from the inside, don't just run behind him into the box and give the player and ref the chance.
He's definitely improved his all round game of late, but he's still brainless.
Yet VAR zoomed in and decided it was a penalty. It’s fecking corrupt.Just saw the Dalot one again on Twitter zoomed in. There’s genuinely no contact with the player if I knew how I’d post it I would.
No it wasn't.- Curtis Jones sent off against Spurs - Given onfield, upheld by VAR and overturned post match.
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This either won’t be covered on Ref Watch or Gallagher will defend it and the panel will agree it was a clear penalty.Better view of the second penalty.
No wonder VAR spent three minutes looking at it. Have to send ref to screens and recommend he consider all angles?
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While i agree, the video of the Dalot penalty situation doesn't show the start of the situation where he does touch the Chelsea player on the underside of his boot prior to Dalot fallingBetter view of the second penalty.
No wonder VAR spent three minutes looking at it. Have to send ref to screens and recommend he consider all angles?
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Ofcourse Gallagher is going to defend it. There's contact, VAR does it's job and shouldn't get involved, we dont want to re-referee matches yada yada. Stupid of Antony and Dalot to take such risks where it can easily result in penalties.This either won’t be covered on Ref Watch or Gallagher will defend it and the panel will agree it was a clear penalty.
This either won’t be covered on Ref Watch or Gallagher will defend it and the panel will agree it was a clear penalty.
Exactly! That kind of contact happens so many times.The hilarious thing about the Dalot foul is that when Walker fouled Rashford, we were told Rashford was too light weight and shouldn't have fallen over. You can't make it up.
Agreed. I don't think the Dalot one is contentious. Once he's the wrong side of the attacker, then he cannot make any contact with the legs whatsoever. The only exception is if the attacker slows down or cuts across his path purely to engineer the contact, neither of which were the case. When the attacker is clipped like that it takes another step or so before his legs go. Anyone who has been in that situation will know the feeling.The Dalot one is definitely a foul. He kicks the sole of the attacker’s foot which causes both players to lose balance. Dalot then stumbles forward, further bumping into the attacker, who is already struggling to stay upright due to the initial contact and goes down.
I wasn’t convinced by the Antony one though. Was irritating that the commentary was giving every impression it was a completely clear foul when I was struggling to see what had actually caused him to go down.
I dont think var saw contact either. They were just unsure it was dive or not and decided to not overturn it.Better view of the second penalty.
No wonder VAR spent three minutes looking at it. Have to send ref to screens and recommend he consider all angles?
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One thing I can say without a shadow of a doubt is VAR does not give those if the ref doesn't.Don't think you can blame VAR for the penalty call yesterday. It was a typical 50-50 challenge that if the referee had not given it I suppose VAR wouldn't have intervened and given a penalty.
The 8 mins of stoppage time was strange though.
Of course Cucerella was waiting for contact which there was and once he went down it was always going to be a penaltyCucurella just dangles his left leg behind him. He's falling there, whether contact is made or not. I just can't see any contact at all. Am I missing something?
I think they're crap at their job, and it's also in the back of the mind of several of them that there will be an insane focus on it if they make a borderline decision that United benefits from. A bit like Mudryks penalty against Burnley vs the focus and consequences of Wolves not being awarded a penalty against United at the start of the season. There's a vast difference in scrutiny and media shitstormFor the people who think the refs have a bias against Man United, can I asked what you think their reasons are:
A) They just don't like Man United (be it because they support a rival or have a historic grudge)
B) They've been bribed
C) There isn't a bias, they're just crap at their job
If there are any other options, please, I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts.
I get that it's super frustrating to be on the end of bad calls but I an curious to see if people are just venting or if they actually think there is a conspiracy.
The only ref I think has an obvious bias is Michael Oliver.For the people who think the refs have a bias against Man United, can I asked what you think their reasons are:
A) They just don't like Man United (be it because they support a rival or have a historic grudge)
B) They've been bribed
C) There isn't a bias, they're just crap at their job
If there are any other options, please, I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts.
I get that it's super frustrating to be on the end of bad calls but I an curious to see if people are just venting or if they actually think there is a conspiracy.
It feels like when decisions go in United's favour then there is furore in the media for the following days/weeks, but when calls go against United there is no such uproar. I don't think there is a conspiracy with the refs, and do think most of them are terrible at their jobs. But they tend to face much less scrutiny and backlash in the media if they do what happened last night against United rather than what happened on the first day of the season against Wolves, or even give Bruno that penalty against Wigan which was scrutinised in the days after.For the people who think the refs have a bias against Man United, can I asked what you think their reasons are:
A) They just don't like Man United (be it because they support a rival or have a historic grudge)
B) They've been bribed
C) There isn't a bias, they're just crap at their job
If there are any other options, please, I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts.
I get that it's super frustrating to be on the end of bad calls but I an curious to see if people are just venting or if they actually think there is a conspiracy.
No way either are not given at OT if for Utd.Of course Cucerella was waiting for contact which there was and once he went down it was always going to be a penalty
1. Most referees are around 30-45. We aren’t reffed by United fans so therefore we are reffed by neutrals and most neutrals that age have a deep set hatred for United because we dominated for most of their lives.For the people who think the refs have a bias against Man United, can I asked what you think their reasons are:
A) They just don't like Man United (be it because they support a rival or have a historic grudge)
B) They've been bribed
C) There isn't a bias, they're just crap at their job
If there are any other options, please, I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts.
I get that it's super frustrating to be on the end of bad calls but I an curious to see if people are just venting or if they actually think there is a conspiracy.
I can and I will blame VAR. In the speed of things during the game, you can actually excuse the ref for getting it wrong. But if you need 5 mins to analyze whether it's a penalty or not, then it's not a penalty. What needs to be clear and obvious is the penalty (or the red card in such cases), not the error within the referee's decision. They saw it and figured it's not a penalty. Then they spent 5 mins in trying to find a reason why they can maintain the same decision and found some slow motion zoomed in contact. And they did it twice.Don't think you can blame VAR for the penalty call yesterday. It was a typical 50-50 challenge that if the referee had not given it I suppose VAR wouldn't have intervened and given a penalty.
The 8 mins of stoppage time was strange though.
This is precisely the problem. I know fans always feel hard done by but so many times this season I can't believe some of the decisions that have gone against United. These are then never ever discussed by media channels. They're still too busy talking about Onana challenge from the first game of the season against Wolves. If that's not media bias I don't know what is.The premier league is closer to WWE than a real sport. Games costing clubs millions people their jobs and all being decided on a whim with decisions that aren’t even consistent in a match weekend nevermind a season.
The leagues dying and all the people that are benefitting from the mess won’t see through their tribalness till it’s too late.
But United are still losing, so who cares.
That first clip cuts off the contact, Dalot kicks the underside of his right foot which causes Dalot to tumble and lightly touch him with his arm at the hip, Madueke still 100% dives because the contact does nothing to impede him as you see him clearly plant his standing foot and then decide to drag his other foot and fall over but it was clumsy from Dalot and he gave Madueke the chance to fool the refs. Antony definitely makes contact with Cucurella, right thigh to left knee and then his left leg coming across also makes slight contact knee to knee, another clumsy challenge. Personally I've no issue with the Antony one, it seems pretty consistent with what we always see, the Dalot one is egregious because even though there was contact I don't see how the attacker is fouled in any way, the visual is bad which is why I can see it being given initially but once VAR got a look they should be able to see the nuance and overturn it.Better view of the second penalty.
No wonder VAR spent three minutes looking at it. Have to send ref to screens and recommend he consider all angles?
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Which is how it should be. Not all contact should be a foul. I was one of few saying that should not have been a foul on rashford and it should not have been 2 pens last nightThe hilarious thing about the Dalot foul is that when Walker fouled Rashford, we were told Rashford was too light weight and shouldn't have fallen over. You can't make it up.
C and also a touch of unconscious bias because of the media backlash if they give something uniteds way - feck I have to be 100 percent sure here or I'll get slaughtered.For the people who think the refs have a bias against Man United, can I asked what you think their reasons are:
A) They just don't like Man United (be it because they support a rival or have a historic grudge)
B) They've been bribed
C) There isn't a bias, they're just crap at their job
If there are any other options, please, I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts.
I get that it's super frustrating to be on the end of bad calls but I an curious to see if people are just venting or if they actually think there is a conspiracy.