GaryLifo
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What if we could loan him until the end of the season?
Why would Leicester agree to that?What if we could loan him until the end of the season?
I agree with this too, either we get a top class player like De Jong/Enzo or we do not, let's not go for average players anymore.I think most people wanted him on the basis that he wasn’t McTominay or Fred. I see absolutely no need for him now, our next midfield signing needs to be of the highest level, not someone to just make up the numbers.
None of whom are any use to us this season or in reality next. We clearly don’t trust McT to step in for Casemiro…and rightly so. In that case we need an experienced deputy for Casemiro…then we can slot in the youngsters from game to game till one steps forward. Like Garnacho did out wide.Pass. We have Mejbri, Iqbal, Mainoo and Hansen-Aaroen.
We'll be lucky if one f those 4 makes it into the first team in the long term.Pass. We have Mejbri, Iqbal, Mainoo and Hansen-Aaroen.
I think both Mainoo and Mejbri will make itWe'll be lucky if one f those 4 makes it into the first team in the long term.
Agreed, I think it would be a sensible transfer if we can do it.I think that ETH has seen that DVB is out for the rest of the season, and Tielemans would be relatively cheap cover for Eriksen. He can also continue in that role next season if need be, allowing us to target our preferred striker, and if we get new owners, we can go for Enzo Fernandez (as well as a striker), and sell Tielemans on for a profit.
There is clearly a reason why no one has touched him yet when his price in the summer was about £25m.We have Eriksen, Fred, McT, Bruno and Casemiro competing for 3 places - in a perfect world we would get another midfielder - but that's not what we need the most. Nor do I think Tielemans is an improvment of what we have. We can't sign him simply because he is cheap.
Disagree. He is a good ball playing, experienced midfielder with good Premiership experience. He can rotate with the current crop.If he was able to arrest his form at Leicester this season it might've been worth a punt but he's been just as poor as he was last year. Not the type of midfielder we really need anyway.
Tielemans is really poor off the ball and hasn't played at his best for a long time. The only case that could be made for him is purely on squad numbers, but Ten Hag has been big on getting the right player in.Disagree. He is a good ball playing, experienced midfielder with good Premiership experience. He can rotate with the current crop.
they may well not, but they'd save on his wages and maybe we could offer someone like Iqbal on loan? We've only got Henderson on loan in the PL so I think we can loan one more.Why would Leicester agree to that?
Tielemans is really poor off the ball and hasn't played at his best for a long time. The only case that could be made for him is purely on squad numbers, but Ten Hag has been big on getting the right player in.
We're better off waiting until the summer and signing a high quality starter, then the likes of Eriksen and Fred can become good squad players.
He's a very lazy off the ball player, very much a YouTube highlights player in that he will pop up with the odd wonder pass or goal.The question marks I have around Tielemans are based not on his ability but his energy and effort levels.
Honestly, I don't watch Leicester enough to give you great answers to those questions. However, when I do see Leciester, Tielemans comes across as a bit of a jogger.
In Eriksen we have an elegant midfield option who's lacking in pace and power. What we need is a proper box-to-box option who can play but also not be physically overpowered by your typical Premier League midfielder.
If we're determined to go after players whose contracts are expiring in summer, we may as well go back to Rabiot or speak to Konrad Laimer.
I'm not too worried about who as long as they've got the right characteristics, but players like de Jong and Enzo Fernandez are the right types of players. Players who are comfortable receiving the ball under pressure and moving us up the pitch.
- Ok, like who?
- Tielemans is a good football player. To suggest that he has already 'peaked' or cannot reach previous levels of play is without foundation. Look at Rashford not too long ago for example (add Shaw to that list too...)
- Is he any poorer, off the ball than Eriksen? Bruno? I don't think so, and I wouldn't buy Tielamans for his ball-winning skills. That's Casimiero, Fred, Mctominay etc..
- And if we sign a starter, who would you suggest we drop to the bench?
- And why not buy a good player, at decent value, and aim to improve them?
Honestly Rabiot and Laimer is as uninspiring as Tielemans. The next midfield signing is a key signing . You need a Kroos to play with Casemiro.The question marks I have around Tielemans are based not on his ability but his energy and effort levels.
Honestly, I don't watch Leicester enough to give you great answers to those questions. However, when I do see Leciester, Tielemans comes across as a bit of a jogger.
In Eriksen we have an elegant midfield option who's lacking in pace and power. What we need is a proper box-to-box option who can play but also not be physically overpowered by your typical Premier League midfielder.
If we're determined to go after players whose contracts are expiring in summer, we may as well go back to Rabiot or speak to Konrad Laimer.
It would not be "sensible". It would be sidestepping . We have been doing too much of that in recent years.Agreed, I think it would be a sensible transfer if we can do it.
Kroos is not athletic enough. He'd just get overrun in big games. What we need is a powerful unit who can also progress the football. Someone who can do all the good things Fred does, without any of the bad things Fred does.Honestly Rabiot and Laimer is as uninspiring as Tielemans. The next midfield signing is a key signing . You need a Kroos to play with Casemiro.
Hopefully, we have plans in place.
I said a Kroos not the actual player. Basically an upgrade on Eriksen. Caicedo and Kessie isn't that type of players. Would rather keep Fred than Kessie. FDJ is the perfect player but Enzo is also an interesting prospect. I would also consider McAllister.Kroos is not athletic enough. He'd just get overrun in big games. What we need is a powerful unit who can also progress the football. Someone who can do all the good things Fred does, without any of the bad things Fred does.
I'm not going to say Jude Bellingham because that's a pipe dream. Likewise Frenkie De Jong who, though he's a bit less physical, doesn't shy away from a 50/50.
The way Caicedo played us on the opening day of the season. If we could have that next to Casemiro week in week out it could be the next Ince and Keane. However, it looks like Chelsea will pick up Caicedo in Boehly's supermarket sweep.
I'd like United to test Barca's resolve to hold onto Kessie. The Kessie that played us for Milan in the Europa League a few years back was, to me, the best midfielder on the park over the two legs. I think he'd do fantastically in the Premier League.
Yeah but Kroos is basically unique in world football. Stastically he's in the 99th percentile for passes attempted, 98th for passes completed and 99 for progressive passes. That's basically alien. By comparison, Fernandez is in the 99th percentile for passes attempted and 99th percentile for progressive passes, but 86th percentile for passes completed. De Jong in the 90th percentile for passes attempted, 93rd for passes completed and 86th for progressive passes. Kroos is out on his own. He's not only hitting a high number of forward passes, he's nailing them pretty much every time. MacAllister isn't even in the same ballpark statistically as these players.I said a Kroos not the actual player. Basically an upgrade on Eriksen. Caicedo and Kessie isn't that type of players. Would rather keep Fred than Kessie. FDJ is the perfect player but Enzo is also an interesting prospect. I would also consider McAllister.
I'm not enterly against this signing. There is certainly a good footballer in there for a reasonable price. But you'd hope for someone who is an upgrade from Eriksen.
- Ok, like who?
- Tielemans is a good football player. To suggest that he has already 'peaked' or cannot reach previous levels of play is without foundation. Look at Rashford not too long ago for example (add Shaw to that list too...)
- Is he any poorer, off the ball than Eriksen? Bruno? I don't think so, and I wouldn't buy Tielamans for his ball-winning skills. That's Casimiero, Fred, Mctominay etc..
- And if we sign a starter, who would you suggest we drop to the bench?
- And why not buy a good player, at decent value, and aim to improve them?