And in his opinion they are:
Wayne Rooney
Ashley Cole
Joe Hart
Steven Gerrard
John Terry
Wayne Rooney
Ashley Cole
Joe Hart
Steven Gerrard
John Terry
David Pleat: England have five world class players.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
perhapsAnd IN his opinion they were:
Wayne Rooney yes
Ashley Cole yes
Joe Hart not quiet there yet
Steven Gerrard his swan song really. Debatable.
John Terry
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Hart isn't yet, Terry and Gerrard aren't any more.
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Pretty much. Gerrard is having a nice run for England now but that doesn't mean he's becoming a world class player again.Hart isn't yet, Terry and Gerrard aren't any more.
Maybe he's worked out that he ought to save his best performances for England rather than Liverpool as he is more likely to play again in a major tournament internationally.
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Only Cole and probably Rooney would get in the Earth squad to take on Mars.
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Also Scholes, Carrick, Wilshire will get there one day.
Surprised he didn't throw Scottie P and Aaron Lemon in there.
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I'm assuming hes only picking from the current England squad so to me thats Rooney and Cole.
At one point in time Gerrard was, Terry appears to have regressed somewhat and Hart will get there soon enough.
International tournaments are such a small sample size that you cannot judge players ultimate ability based on potentially 6 games, how many managers have dropped a bollock by signing players after fantastic International tournaments? Many, lots, loads.
At one point in time Gerrard was, Terry appears to have regressed somewhat and Hart will get there soon enough.
International tournaments are such a small sample size that you cannot judge players ultimate ability based on potentially 6 games, how many managers have dropped a bollock by signing players after fantastic International tournaments? Many, lots, loads.
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Rio and Roo (when he's not in one of his slumps).
The first 3 are imo.And in his opinion they are:
Wayne Rooney
Ashley Cole
Joe Hart
Steven Gerrard
John Terry
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Not many keepers better than Joe Hart.
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I dont see why Hart isn't considered a world class goalkeeper? I think he is in the top 3 goalkeepers that went to the Euro's.
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Gerrard and Terry certainly aren't world class any more, Gerrard in particular hasn't been consistently top drawer for years.
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Ashley Cole is probably the most overated athlete in the history of sport.
I see 3 years of poor form stil isn't enough for people to stop rating him as better than he was even when he was playing well.
I see 3 years of poor form stil isn't enough for people to stop rating him as better than he was even when he was playing well.
Escobar
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If you ever asked yourself what the problem with English football is these days, just look at statements like that
SharkyMcShark
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I agreeHart isn't yet, Terry and Gerrard aren't any more.
Where exactly did David Pleat make this claim?
SharkyMcShark
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It was on five live yesterday when they were doing previews of all the quarter finals.
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Hart's distribution is poor
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If these 5 players were world class England's performances would be much better no? That's half a team we're speaking about here.
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If the criteria is being in the 22 from planet Earth to face Mars, I'd say only Cole has a decent chance of making the cut. I'm not sure I'd even take Rooney. (Although he's a better player than Cole, there's a lack of good LB's while strikers and playmakers are everywhere).
My interpretation of the term is slightly different. I'd say Cole, Hart and Rooney qualifies as world class as of now. Gerrard/Terry are both well past their best, even if Gerrard has delivered some quality balls into the box in the Euros.
My interpretation of the term is slightly different. I'd say Cole, Hart and Rooney qualifies as world class as of now. Gerrard/Terry are both well past their best, even if Gerrard has delivered some quality balls into the box in the Euros.
noodlehair
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THe problem with English football these days is that not everyone thinks Ashley Cole is world class based on him being quite good once upon a time?If you ever asked yourself what the problem with English football is these days, just look at statements like that
noodlehair
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Cole isn't even one of the the two best currently performing LBs at the Euros.If the criteria is being in the 22 from planet Earth to face Mars, I'd say only Cole has a decent chance of making the cut. I'm not sure I'd even take Rooney. (Although he's a better player than Cole, there's a lack of good LB's while strikers and playmakers are everywhere).
I really don't understand the Cole hype. He's not played anywhere near his best for 3 years, and his best still wasn't nearly as good as people seem to think he still is now.
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Cole has barely put a foot wrong in the tounament to be fair
But obviously Coentrao has stood out as best LB so far
But obviously Coentrao has stood out as best LB so far
marjen
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I'm firmly in the "Cole is overrated"-camp, noodles.THe problem with English football these days is that not everyone thinks Ashley Cole is world class based on him being quite good once upon a time?
But hear me out. He's had some magnificent performances after the oldies at Chelsea became arsed and decided to win the Champions League,arguably being their best performer alongside Ramires and Drogba.
And how many world class LB's are there? Lahm, I'll grant you, but he normally plays on the right for Bayern.
So that leaves you with the likes of Alaba, Evra, Coentrao, Marcelo, Abidal(though it's fair to say there are uncertainties about his future) and Clichy. Are Cole really inferior to any of those? Bar Marcelo, I can't see it.
noodlehair
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I don't think Hart either. At least not yet. There's about 8 goalkeepers who are apparently the "best goalkeeper in the world", and Hart's probably the least proven and experienced of those.
In fact I'd only say Rooney, and even he's overshadowed by players like Ronaldo and Messi, but talent wise he's easily the best England have.
England fans will still be lazily stating that Ashley Cole is the best left back in the world when he's 50 years old (mental age 8), and tucking so far inside positionally he's actually playing at right back.
In fact I'd only say Rooney, and even he's overshadowed by players like Ronaldo and Messi, but talent wise he's easily the best England have.
England fans will still be lazily stating that Ashley Cole is the best left back in the world when he's 50 years old (mental age 8), and tucking so far inside positionally he's actually playing at right back.
Randall Flagg
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Cole is one of the best left backs in the World, therefore he is world class.
But for me over the last 2 seasons Marcello is number 1
But for me over the last 2 seasons Marcello is number 1
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There are much better players than Cole in his position.
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Such as?Cole isn't near the quality of other LB's around the world, there are much better players in his position.
If you say Coentrao I might be tempted to punch you in the head.
noodlehair
"It's like..."
Cole has barely put a foot wrong in the tounament to be fair
But obviously Coentrao has stood out as best LB so far
Coentrao's been very good. Lahm's been even better (again).
Cole's been quite average. He was causing England a lot of problems with his positioning against Ukraine. Young had to spend a lot of time covering for him while he did nothing of note to compensate.
Randall Flagg
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I would disagree.There are much better players than Cole in his position.
Would you consider him to be the best in the PL
And which LB's do you consider to be much better?
Randall Flagg
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I always consider Lahm to be an RB, but yes he has been outstanding tooCoentrao's been very good. Lahm's been even better (again).
Cole's been quite average. He was causing England a lot of problems with his positioning against Ukraine. Young had to spend a lot of time covering for him while he did nothing of note to compensate.
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Lahm, Marcello, then if you want to compare in this tournament, I'd say Coentrao (And I think he's going to be much better anyway). I know I'll probably get slated for saying Marcello, but I prefer him. Maybe I don't rate Cole as high, and that's just me, but I'd have a player like Lahm all day over Cole.
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Of course Gerrard is world class. He's been riddled with injuries over the last couple of seasons, but he's pretty much dragged this England team into the quarter finals. There isn't a player in the world like him I'm afraid to say; maybe a bit of Yaya Toure in the way he can drive up the pitch as well as putting a foot in, but he can't rake those long balls as well as Gerrard.
Aside from that, Rooney and Cole. Hart's mouth doesn't quite back up his ability yet, though there's a big chance of him doing so. I'm not too sure about Terry anymore, he's put in some horrific performances for Chelsea at the backend of last season, but done well in the Euros so far.
Aside from that, Rooney and Cole. Hart's mouth doesn't quite back up his ability yet, though there's a big chance of him doing so. I'm not too sure about Terry anymore, he's put in some horrific performances for Chelsea at the backend of last season, but done well in the Euros so far.
Randall Flagg
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Me too, and also Marcello for me is the best. I think he is brilliant.Lahm, Marcello, then if you want to compare in this tournament, I'd say Coentrao (And I think he's going to be much better anyway). I know I'll probably get slated for saying Marcello, but I prefer him. Maybe I don't rate Cole as high, and that's just me, but I'd have a player like Lahm all day over Cole.
But I would still consider Cole to be up there with the best in the world.
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I actually thought Young was caught napping while Husiev pushed high up the pitch from RB, the first couple of minutes. Then England adjusted.Coentrao's been very good. Lahm's been even better (again).
Cole's been quite average. He was causing England a lot of problems with his positioning against Ukraine. Young had to spend a lot of time covering for him while he did nothing of note to compensate.
Their right winger, Yarmolenko, tucked in and let the full back run past him. So Cole tucked in slightly, and let Young handle the full-back, while covering.
How many clear cut chances did Ukraine create vs England then? A couple of shots from range, and a Terry-blunder, no? I'd say England defended quite well.
As for Coentrao, he's a magnificent attacking full back. Or rather, he's magnificent at attacking from full back. Now, there's a guy who couldn't defend his sand castle from a couple of mini-crabs.
As for Lahm, I'll give you that he's a fantastic full back, but he usually plays on the right for Bayern.
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I heard Pleat have that discussion live, and he backtracked like a complete bitch.
Originally he actually said that England had 5 world class players that would walk into any team in the world. He later had to say that they could get into most countries, and certainly not at the same time.
Originally he actually said that England had 5 world class players that would walk into any team in the world. He later had to say that they could get into most countries, and certainly not at the same time.
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That's fair, he is, but I still think that for those who are better than him, they are considerably so. Still, Cole will still probably be considered the best LB in the world, 150 years after his death.Me too, and also Marcello for me is the best. I think he is brilliant.
But I would still consider Cole to be up there with the best in the world.
marjen
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But okay, ignoring Cole, my point was still that I'm not entirely sure that England would have any of those five in the 22 to face Mars.
Not even Rooney would be safe if that's the criteria.
Not even Rooney would be safe if that's the criteria.
Randall Flagg
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Well if you bring 4-5 strikers in a squad of 23 who would you pickBut okay, ignoring Cole, my point was still that I'm not entirely sure that England would have any of those five in the 22 to face Mars.
Not even Rooney would be safe if that's the criteria.