Gaming PS4 vs Xbox One - The suckiest thread in the history of suckyness

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Sorry, I don't want to derail the thread with my 4 posts of Project Spark talk today.. I'll let you get back to your page long debates where you acknowledge you both want/agree on the same thing but argue the same points over and over again. See ya.
You utter bellend, that 'guy' you were talking to is the 'guy' who started the spark thread and was clearly trying to get us to go inthere and give that life :lol:

So unless you are going to engage your brain and want to discuss something relevant in here rather than your pop up routine, then feck off out of it.
 

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I know you are excited and I know you've tried RPG maker. You also know we have discussed good games at length and have similar tastes.

But my point is exactly what I said, let's not get giddy here. The last 10% of a project takes 90% of the time, and the overwhelming majority of efforts will not get past the first 10%.

I've not said it isn't possible, I've said let's not get carried away. Speaking as an actual indie developer creating my own engines, I can tell you we all have great ideas, but even with something like this you'll soon find it isn't that easy.
No giddiness here. ;) Excitement combined with the acknowledgement that lots and lots of work will need to be done to make top drawer games (the ones I discuss anyway - others need not be so far-reaching). I'm optimistic, whilst at the same time hopeful that the developers will do everything possible to encourage people to really create. They should absolutely be looking at implementing some sort of system that not only makes people stand out, but also gives them opportunity and reward. That's how the most of this will be made, with people coming together in groups to make a game that will make money, open up opportunities, etc... They need to apply playing time stats, a play count, a rating system, everything.

There are no guarantees still, but I think that's a reasonable outlook. The potential is enormous and there are clear ways to motivate people. It is absolutely within Microsoft's interests to do this as well given the sort of money they'd make from extra content.
 

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No giddiness here. ;) Excitement combined with the acknowledgement that lots and lots of work will need to be done to make top drawer games (the ones I discuss anyway - others need not be so far-reaching). I'm optimistic, whilst at the same time hopeful that the developers will do everything possible to encourage people to really create. They should absolutely be looking at implementing some sort of system that not only makes people stand out, but also gives them opportunity and reward. That's how the most of this will be made, with people coming together in groups to make a game that will make money, open up opportunities, etc... They need to apply playing time stats, a play count, a rating system, everything.

There are no guarantees still, but I think that's a reasonable outlook. The potential is enormous and there are clear ways to motivate people. It is absolutely within Microsoft's interests to do this as well given the sort of money they'd make from extra content.
Maybe if I get the time we should try to make something for a laugh.

It'd have to start small though, believe me it's only going to end in frustration trying to recreate WindWaker from the off ;)
 

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fecking geeks. You've been arguing about this during United vs Liverpool.
Called multi-tasking.. I'm new to it but pretty good.

Not as good as Weaste.. he can be a cnut, a twat, a dick and a prick all at the same time - with little to no effort.
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So, I was thinking earlier.. we recently heard how we can plug the PS4 into the Xbox One and have both running on the same screen. Surely, in that case, we could plug PC/Tablets into the Xbox One and snap them?

That gives the console unlimited apps/features that could run alongside and on the same screen. With the use of SmartGlass on your phone, you could have your PC and Xbox on one screen and control them using one device (two apps running on your phone, SmartGlass and some sort of PC Remote app).

This is PURELY for examples sake, but you could have your PC Project Spark creation on one half of your screen, and be testing it on the other half in the Xbox One version.
 

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Called multi-tasking.. I'm new to it but pretty good.

Not as good as Weaste.. he can be a cnut, a twat, a dick and a prick all at the same time - with little to no effort.
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So, I was thinking earlier.. we recently heard how we can plug the PS4 into the Xbox One and have both running on the same screen. Surely, in that case, we could plug PC/Tablets into the Xbox One and snap them?

That gives the console unlimited apps/features that could run alongside and on the same screen. With the use of SmartGlass on your phone, you could have your PC and Xbox on one screen and control them using one device (two apps running on your phone, SmartGlass and some sort of PC Remote app).

This is PURELY for examples sake, but you could have your PC Project Spark creation on one half of your screen, and be testing it on the other half in the Xbox One version.
It would be a good idea for your mental health to not attempt talking to yourself. Just a point!
 

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Called multi-tasking.. I'm new to it but pretty good.

Not as good as Weaste.. he can be a cnut, a twat, a dick and a prick all at the same time - with little to no effort.
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So, I was thinking earlier.. we recently heard how we can plug the PS4 into the Xbox One and have both running on the same screen. Surely, in that case, we could plug PC/Tablets into the Xbox One and snap them?

That gives the console unlimited apps/features that could run alongside and on the same screen. With the use of SmartGlass on your phone, you could have your PC and Xbox on one screen and control them using one device (two apps running on your phone, SmartGlass and some sort of PC Remote app).

This is PURELY for examples sake, but you could have your PC Project Spark creation on one half of your screen, and be testing it on the other half in the Xbox One version.
Now that last part is interesting. Did you know you could kind of do that with the 360?

Mind you, a multi-monitor setup is far better for that, but it's still a cool idea.
 

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I fecking love this thread. The banter, the arguing, the name calling and general fan boyism is awesome!!

I'll start a new tangent, Nintendo rule! Nintendo rule!! :-) :-)
 

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Now that last part is interesting. Did you know you could kind of do that with the 360?

Mind you, a multi-monitor setup is far better for that, but it's still a cool idea.
Well, it's not quite the same because it's not inside the Xbox UI. It's a shame that the Xbox One controller doesn't have the ability to connect to two different devices at a simple switch, like you could sync it with two devices and switch whenever - that would be awesome. I guess you could just use one controller for both Xbox and Windows running side by side but you'd have to resync with every swap wouldn't you. Plus, it was something you could do but it wasn't simple to do and would only work on certain monitors not all TVs.

With wireless mouses and phones capable of controlling your PC it's a pretty cool thing. Technically, you could do everything on Xbox using the Kinect and the controller for Windows - you could be in party-chat over Xbox Live with a friend, using Xbox Live apps and also playing a Steam game - all on one screen without having to switch sources or anything.
 

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fecking geeks. You've been arguing about this during United vs Liverpool.

600 posts in a thread arguing inanely about video game consoles. ;)

Maybe if I get the time we should try to make something for a laugh.

It'd have to start small though, believe me it's only going to end in frustration trying to recreate WindWaker from the off ;)

I'm up for that. Was actually going to suggest at one point in the Project Spark thread that people on the forum should really get on to something cooperatively. I'm guessing it'll only come out around March I'm guessing but it's something to think about.
 

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600 posts in a thread arguing inanely about video game consoles. ;)




I'm up for that. Was actually going to suggest at one point in the Project Spark thread that people on the forum should really get on to something cooperatively. I'm guessing it'll only come out around March I'm guessing but it's something to think about.
We'll have to see. Like I said even a simple game is a big undertaking from start to finish, but it would be fun.
 

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Will you feck all of this Spark shit out to its own thread? It has one!
If I make a thread called 'Weaste being a twat' would you kindly feck off in there?

Apparently you know your shit, but I bet 1 post in every 20 that you have made here offers any sort of relevant information and isn't just pointless insults.

Cue 'I'll give you relevant information, the PS4 is far far more powerful than Xbone...'
 

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If I make a thread called 'Weaste being a twat' would you kindly feck off in there?

Apparently you know your shit, but I bet 1 post in every 20 that you have made here offers any sort of relevant information and isn't just pointless insults.

Cue 'I'll give you relevant information, the PS4 is far far more powerful than Xbone...'
Keep it up Cider!

Your either want to talk about the differentiators between these two boxes or you do not!
 

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Keep it up Cider!

Your either want to talk about the differentiators between these two boxes or you do not!
Project Spark is on PS4?

Shit man.. I never knew. The power difference has been discussed to death and people have understood that PS4 is more powerful. Time to move onto other things; games, features, apps, interaction with other devices (remote play, something I have brought up/discussed a lot).

Move on, PS4 has lots of things going for it but the way you bang on you'd think that it's only advantage was it's power. You make the console seem worse than it is by your insistence on solely discussing the power.
 

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Project Spark is on PS4?

Shit man.. I never knew. The power difference has been discussed to death and people have understood that PS4 is more powerful. Time to move onto other things; games, features, apps, interaction with other devices (remote play, something I have brought up/discussed a lot).

Move on, PS4 has lots of things going for it but the way you bang on you'd think that it's only advantage was it's power. You make the console seem worse than it is by your insistence on solely discussing the power.
I love you Cider, never change.
 

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It's interesting that because it's a debut console for Valve that it can share features which are viewed as positive, which Microsoft get slaughtered for.

I understand it though, since it felt like MS were doing it for greed and control whereas this is how Valve do their business already - but it would have been a pretty similar thing.
 

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It's interesting that because it's a debut console for Valve that it can share features which are viewed as positive, which Microsoft get slaughtered for.

I understand it though, since it felt like MS were doing it for greed and control whereas this is how Valve do their business already - but it would have been a pretty similar thing.
I thought you wasn't a fanboy?

What features does it have that are being lauded where the XBone got slaughtered?
 

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As interesting as project spark is it's not going to make many people buy an xb1 let alone buy one over a ps4. If you're all so interested in it why is the thread for it so empty? There's more posts about it in here...

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I thought you wasn't a fanboy?

What features does it have that are being lauded where the XBone got slaughtered?
People weren't happy with the sharing side over being able to trade in games, which is what the Steam Box is going to be all about..

BTW, I love Steam and will probably buy a Steam Box. And I understands the criticism aimed at Microsoft for it being an attempt at control and greed etc.etc.

But whatever the intentions were, I'm just saying that people refused to buy the Xbox One as a console because of some of the policies that the Steam Box will probably share.

They made it clear at the time and in interviews since that they were aiming to be more like Steam, more digital, more money for the devs due to less trading, and therefore the ability to offer more games at discounted prices in sales. They marketed it ridiculous though, and it's far more difficult to convince people of when it differs from their current console - whereas like I said, Steam Box is essentially gonna be the same as Steam but without the need for an amazing PC.
 

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I'll say right now that the irony(maybe idiocy) is that I criticized those policies of the Xbox One too and you can see so in this thread - but I'm very excited about the digital console and sharing that Steam Box will bring us.

And that there are plenty of others who will have done the same.

I guess it's all because of where they have come from, what you believe their intentions are etc. etc.
 

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People weren't happy with the sharing side over being able to trade in games, which is what the Steam Box is going to be all about..

BTW, I love Steam and will probably buy a Steam Box. And I understands the criticism aimed at Microsoft for it being an attempt at control and greed etc.etc.

But whatever the intentions were, I'm just saying that people refused to buy the Xbox One as a console because of some of the policies that the Steam Box will probably share.

They made it clear at the time and in interviews since that they were aiming to be more like Steam, more digital, more money for the devs due to less trading, and therefore the ability to offer more games at discounted prices in sales. They marketed it ridiculous though, and it's far more difficult to convince people of when it differs from their current console - whereas like I said, Steam Box is essentially gonna be the same as Steam but without the need for an amazing PC.
Well there's a lot more to it than that, but we've been through all that before. You'll see soon enough the shit that is coming for the XB1 and PS4 and who knows, probably this thing too.

But as pure gamers we agree that a third way, especially a Steam lead PC-like box, is a good thing. Mind you, I doubt I'll be swapping my desktop any time soon.
 

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As interesting as project spark is it's not going to make many people buy an xb1 let alone buy one over a ps4. If you're all so interested in it why is the thread for it so empty? There's more posts about it in here...

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Especially when it's a 360, PC and Tablet game as well.... a free one at that.
 

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Main difference is that I chose to install Steam. Steam games are cheaper. I can install my steam games wherever I want. I'm sure if this was the system that MS tried to sell there wouldn't have been a peep from anyone...

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I still can't bend my head round why they put it on the 360. They've made it exclusive to Windows 8 on PC presumably to try and get people to buy that, yet they've released a potential Xbox One seller for 360? Odd decision.
 

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Especially when it's a 360, PC and Tablet game as well.... a free one at that.
It's not really a tablet game.. you can do stuff for the game, some of the creation in the tablet but I definitely don't believe that it will be close to the full game.
Also, the fact you can make stuff co-operatively might mean a lot of people choose to get it on Xbox Live over the Windows 8 version, and there are people who don't like Windows 8 as an OS and would rather keep Windows 7/XP.
Plus.. the kinect abilities are awesome and really add to the game, will be a huge part of it - Eric himself is pretty pissed off that he's going to miss out on that side of the game unless(until) the Kinect is reasonably priced on Windows.

I still can't bend my head round why they put it on the 360. They've made it exclusive to Windows 8 on PC presumably to try and get people to buy that, yet they've released a potential Xbox One seller for 360? Odd decision.
I agree with this, although it makes some sort of sense.. How good Project Spark is all depends on how many great games are made for it, and there are 40 million active Xbox Live accounts that will most likely download this since it's free.
If the Xbox One has extra features/content for it then it could be a great way to introduce the game to lots of people, and ensure there is plenty of content created for it until it picks up steam on Windows 8 and Xbox One.
 

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It's not really a tablet game.. you can do stuff for the game, some of the creation in the tablet but I definitely don't believe that it will be close to the full game.
Also, the fact you can make stuff co-operatively might mean a lot of people choose to get it on Xbox Live over the Windows 8 version, and there are people who don't like Windows 8 as an OS and would rather keep Windows 7/XP.
Plus.. the kinect abilities are awesome and really add to the game, will be a huge part of it - Eric himself is pretty pissed off that he's going to miss out on that side of the game unless(until) the Kinect is reasonably priced on Windows.



I agree with this, although it makes some sort of sense.. How good Project Spark is all depends on how many great games are made for it, and there are 40 million active Xbox Live accounts that will most likely download this since it's free.
If the Xbox One has extra features/content for it then it could be a great way to introduce the game to lots of people, and ensure there is plenty of content created for it until it picks up steam on Windows 8 and Xbox One.

Suppose it is a pretty huge number, to be fair. They might be weighing up the potential gain from DLC against the amount of people that would go for the Xbox One because of it.